you're one of the good ones already. Just put the smile up on the front page and tell them you're a True American
Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
- Thread starter besada
- Start date
- Status
you're one of the good ones already. Just put the smile up on the front page and tell them you're a True American
you're one of the good ones already. Just put the smile up on the front page and tell them you're a True American
Ugh, my eyes...
we should seriously make a site/store to troll this shit. I mean, what else can we do..? Plus.. the money made, we can send to the family of the victims...
Angelus Errare
Banned
OMG, I think I found my cash crop! Racists would absolutely eat up a black guy making these arts and saying these vile things!
OMG!
OMG!
...I can't do it, selling my soul for some money is too hard. I'd rather struggle than do something so fucking ignorant.
OMG!
OMG!
...I can't do it, selling my soul for some money is too hard. I'd rather struggle than do something so fucking ignorant.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Its curious how you change shoplifting and getting into a scuffle into legalistic terms that give off the air of more serious offences.
But shoplifting and petty theft is very common and part of the teenage years, getting into scuffles is too.
This use of legal niceties to make mike brown something he's not has a long history in this country, you're following in the fine tradition
Because they don't get arrested because they're white and told 'give it back'. Your use of statistics from racist justice system to confirm and further malign his name is infuriating, especially with the 'like it or not' . You know what? I don't like racism and its apologias
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
It stops being just shoplifting when you put your hands on someone. And I never shoplifted or committed petty theft as a teen. Nor did I commit assault/battery.
googleplex
Member
NYCmetsfan
Banned
#notallteens
Sure do. Glad I'm not profiling or stereotyping. Once again, if conservatives don't want to be called racist, then stop supporting the Conservative party and movement because the leaders sure do support racist policy and ideologue.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Is this really happening now? All cops are racist minority slayers and all republicans are members of the KKK? What next?
Oh my god, you're right, how could I have been so blind. #meaninglessoneliner
Punchy4486
Banned
The person people were replying to said that it was not common for teens to shoplift. Do you really think it's a leap to say most children have intentionally stolen from a store at some point in their life?
NYCmetsfan
Banned
#meaninglessanecdotes
Kids do silly and stupid things. Most aren't criminalized and I doubt you're gonna find stats because most isn't serious and punished by their parents or friends
Kids and teens take things from other kids, from stores, they get into fights, the smoke and dabble in drugs, they write rap songs and curse. None of that reflects badly. Nothing in that story was anything abnormal.
A friend of mine in high school tried to steal a cable modem because he was a dumbass who thought he could plug his phone line into it and get super fast internet. When the security guard confronted him, he shoved the guy and tried to run away. Hell, he even smoked and occasionally listened to rap!
But he was white, so angel status was still max confirmed. He was just a silly kid who needed a bit of community service to get his head on straight, you know.
But he was white, so angel status was still max confirmed. He was just a silly kid who needed a bit of community service to get his head on straight, you know.
Corronchilejano
Member
I was a dirty little thief when I was a young child and stole quite a lot of toys.
Me and some friends from the neighborhood broke into a house and stole some furniture to decorate a shed we had in the woods.
One of my "friends" in high school stole two of my SNES games and shop lifted around ten more. He's a pretty decent guy these days.
I didn't actually pay attention to these kinds of things because none of my friends have a criminal record of any kind (not even before 18), and yet, its the kind of things that should get you into trouble. Some of my friends didn't survive their teens (two at least) because of the trouble they got into. Teens gonna be stupid, and hopefully they won't kill themselves before reaching maturity.
Hell, another burned a house down when he was 16, and he manages a bank now. I thought he'd be in jail for a while.
I'm sure the republican party, and cops everywhere are glad they have brolic jailer to defend them from being called all racists, especially when no one said that. They all have an issue with race though, via the actions of their party, the policies they have enacted, and the statements and rhetoric attributed to them, easily found in the historical record.
so yes brolic jailer, many republicans are racist. And the GOP has a racial history and an ongoing racial problem. do you wish to deny or address this?
so yes brolic jailer, many republicans are racist. And the GOP has a racial history and an ongoing racial problem. do you wish to deny or address this?
Saint Gregory
Member
It's been pointed out in the thread before that the shop owner never called the police and had no intention of pressing charges so Mike Brown would never have been a statistic either prior to becoming a statistic for police brutality.
The fact that the police appeared to spend more time investigating the shoplifting than the shooting infuriates me.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Any petty crime that they can pin on a 'suspicious person'
I could have been charged with Trespassing for swimming in my neighborhood pool at like 1 am (it closes at dusk). I just was told to leave, because I'm white
T
thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
$0 of income + the inability to truly understand long term consequences + a general crisis of identity makes for a deadly combination and those are all problems the majority of kids and teens have.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Stumbled upon this report on the 1935 harlem riots, the last paragraph is interesting in how it kind of assigns blame on the cops for the reaction of those rioters. I can't see them doing it now.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Fiction 2165 obituary.
Fiction was a honest and caring person. Early in life Fiction was lead to steal smokes because of the hiphop culture that plagued the media, but very quickly rejected the behavior. Fiction saved millions of lives with the creation of E-Medi, and will be terribly missed. Fiction was taken from us way too young, without Fiction the world will never be the same.
E-Medi firmware v6.206d is slated to be released in the third quarter of this year, be sure to upgrade.
Das Mookid
Banned
If these allegations are true, Mike Brown was a troubled young man who had committed a few crimes. Belittling theft, assault, battery etc as part of a 'normal' young teenage life is really pathetic. These actions are cries for help from a young person, regardless of race, and we have a very narrow window to try and help before the problem gets dumped into the terrible adult prison system. Rather than minimize the seriousness of this behavior we as a community need to help these kids!
As for the 'racist' set of crime statistics I quoted to demonstrate that these type of actions are not normal, let's just assume your assumption is correct and white people (heck let's extend that to all non-black) people are not being targeted for arrest for these pair of crimes whatsoever:
In 2010, roughly 13.6 % of the US population identified themselves as 'black' (http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/cb12-ff01.html)
If we apply this to the numbers quoted earlier, we must adjust the 100000 normalization to reflect the reduced population sample size, so we get 13600 as the actual representative sample size.
This means that the more 'normal' of the two crimes (simple assault) becomes 550/13600 or a roughly 4% arrest rate. You're still an order of magnitude shy from anything approaching normal even with the rediculous premise that no one but African Americans are ever actually arrested for juvenile assault.
Read the first story and I was thinking this was unfortunate but police also have a bad track record dealing with the mentally disabled and this doesn't surprise me. Then I read the second story and I have to wonder why the police wouldn't allow the step father or bio aunt to calm him down before trying to "resolve it as they are trained to do." *rolls eyes*
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
This thread definitely runs contrary to what you're saying in this post. A plethora of "fuck the police" and how the police are all just waiting for the chance to oppress minorities. You should read some posts in his thread! The one I quoted equating republicans with the KKK would be a good start.
As for racist republicans as I said before, racists are everywhere and of very color. Many democrats are also racist. Making blanket statements about any group is exactly the kind of logic and mentality so many here are supposedly fighting against.
Just because a victim doesn't press charges doesn't mean charges won't be brought. The crime isn't only committed against a person, it's also committed against the state.
so your response is "many democrats are racist"? and further "racists are everywhere!"
hmh. since there are racist democrats, lets not speak about the visible racism when and where we see it. we wouldn't want to hurt someone's feelings, or unnecessarily impinge on someone's reputation via association because they just happen to be conservative.
hmh. since there are racist democrats, lets not speak about the visible racism when and where we see it. we wouldn't want to hurt someone's feelings, or unnecessarily impinge on someone's reputation via association because they just happen to be conservative.
why..
bother...
We need to just say "yes you're right!" and move on the thread. Out of all the situations to do the devils advocate, same sides different fruits, nonsense.. This is one that if its not convincing anyone, nothing will.
The difference is that the Democratic party encourages black people to vote as a matter of policy and philosophy and the Republican party nakedly and nationally tries to prevent black people from voting and in fact has several court cases happening concurrently because of it.
Do you deny this?
I've been reading broly's posts while I was trapped in the Phantom Zone. He takes a breather, and seems to want to be the referee of the discussion instead of participating. Unfortunately he's not qualified to perform that duty since his opinions are clearly comprised. He needs to put on his jersey and step on the other side of the line instead of pretending that he's above the fray, because he's clearly in the midst of it, brolic jailer.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
I would argue that there are republicans that don't agree with that policy either. I consider myself conservative, but don't agree with a lot of what the hard core right or left do. Partly lines and politics aren't black/ white. There's a whole lot of gray.
This still does not mean republicans/conservatives or those that vote in part or in whole should be equated with the KKK.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
Not all Republicans are racists, but racists tend to be Republican. Period.
"There's racists everywhere" is a way of trying to ask "why discuss it?" Like people going "America kills people too" in the ISIS threads. False-equivalence as a means to end discussion and form a misguided defense.
"There's racists everywhere" is a way of trying to ask "why discuss it?" Like people going "America kills people too" in the ISIS threads. False-equivalence as a means to end discussion and form a misguided defense.
one, maybe 2 posters said that. But you're not here because of two posters.
does the republican party and the greater conservative movement have a racism problem or not? via their members and their supporters? yes or no.
Punchy4486
Banned
Unless you can point out multiple specific instances of the Democratic Party actively trying to dissuade people from voting based on race through laws and closing voting booths in minority areas, maybe drop the false equivalency.
Just because not all Republicans approve of these methods doesn't mean they aren't a huge factor of that party.
I don't read this thread too much but I was wondering when I would see this argument crop up.
Yeah the democratic party can be pretty racist and living in the north isn't gumdrops and sunshine but you know what?
For every little good thing the GOP has done, such as paying women and minorities FAR better than their counterparts; it still pales in comparison to the fact the majority of deaths are tilted towards the south or that the south does everything in their power to disenfranchise minorities or women at every turn.
Since the south is a huge block of the GOP you can't escape that. It isn't just because 90+% black people are voting democrat that the GOP is losing. They have very shitty policies for a lot of sub groups. I'm wondering how badly they will fuck up trying to appeal to hispanics in 2016.
Saint Gregory
Member
If being unfairly labeled as a racist is the worst thing that's happened to you then you should consider yourself lucky. There are far worse fates... like being shot dead in the street while surrending to police for instance.
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
You're literally defending what you just said, was not being said. And more than two posters have expressed the sentiments I've mentioned.
The entire reason for this post is to ask for a black and white answer to a gray question to justify a blanket statement about an entire group.
Good thing you know what's happened in my life, my life experiences, and who I am.
Thanks for putting things in perspective!
All you have to do to show that there are large swaths of society that are immensely racist and not-republican is spend some time on reddit. Unfortunately, racism is far from just a "conservative" problem.
But that's neither here nor there. It's very true that many social and economic conservative positions are inherently racist and that sucks.
But that's neither here nor there. It's very true that many social and economic conservative positions are inherently racist and that sucks.
oh things get nice and grey when a simple yes or no will suffice. where's the blanket statement that will be justified by you answering the question? I know why you're sidestepping the answer, but how does admitting the GOP has a racism problem paint them all as racists or equate them to the KKK? It doesn't. So please answer the question.
does the republican party and the conservative movement at large have a embedded racism issue?
AzureRonin
Member
No one is innocent. Justifying this murder justifies your own murder.
benjipwns
Banned
What's the statute of limitations?
Who said I'm talking about Broly......
But.. good advice is good advice. These threads always have people, who have nothing else to say outside of wanting to referee the discussion. You have people who want to be pedantic and scan the thread for anyone who is generalizing. You have all sorts of people that want to talk about all things other than the fact that the Ferguson police department is 100% out of control (OOOH Wait, can't say 100% someone will come in and ask me for concrete data!?)
The fact of the matter is Ferguson has fucked up largely, their PD has a history of fucking over black people. And with that, no one can give this PD the benefit of the doubt. Thats the fact of the matter. People behind their keyboards will tactfully post all around what would get them banned, but its always enough to derail for 10 pages because they didn't bother to even look up the fucking OP/Story/Information.
They are always corrected, and yet, still have the same ridiculous bias. These are the people that don't have the temerity to admit "well shit, this one is different." And are doubling down on the same old bullshit we see whenever a black person is shot to death. Its the same tired arguments, questioning the victim, without ever daring questioning the PD.
Semantics win the day, and don't dare generalize else you're someone who no one should even bother speaking to, as you're now just accusing everyone of racism that wants the police department to be held responsible.
Its bullshit. I don't get why it gets a pass, when its the same bullshit, every fucking thread. Same bullshit game of bending over backwards to give the PD the benefit of the doubt, even when the PD has proven inept (Ferguson) you still have people here giving the PD the benefit of the doubt in the form of "the facts aren't all in, and signed by Obama/CIA/NSA to signify there is problem in Ferguson, and the PD." So this bullshit will continue every single fucking time this happens.
Its upsetting, because you know exactly what the mindset is. I do too. As well as everyone else. Seeing these cute little games played out in these threads of suggestions, opposing opinions that often cite White Supremacist Material, only to be corrected, and ignored because "Well, the officers are probably telling the truth so, who cares what i've been posting for the past 10 pages."
There is no way of winning this argument. We have a situation in this country where people like those are going to reserve judgement until the earth freezes over, and sausage mc muffins take over, even then.. still.. they will side with LEO of the McMuffin because of a bias, since they work in an unrelated form of LEO, but still have to pretend that they are part of the club, and its us vs civilians when it comes to civil rights.
Its always the "Well, those select few who are responsible should be held accountable!" Thats the problem, these people have 0 accountability outside of people saying "they should be!!!!" Thankfully, as I mentioned earlier. The national bar association is suing Ferguson for their botched bullshit paperwork. And more will follow. The Police were taken out of the situation, because they were just escalating it. As anyone worth note has affirmed. Including our most important members of the media.
No, people won't be able to hold the commanding body of the Ferguson pd responsible, and have to double down on the bullshit blue line of "well... there has to be some magical reason that while all we know isn't true in this isolated instance of enforcement." I'd love to see these people give out 5 Star credit approvals to people with horrible credit, because history seems to have absolutely fuck all to do with present day.
Punchy4486
Banned
'60s Civil rights movement, seems fair I guess.
Saint Gregory
Member
The only thing that I was trying to put in perspective is how tacky it is to be in a thread about a dead teenager complaining that conservatives/republicans are being unfairly stereotyped as racists but please continue.
Punchy4486
Banned
It's way closer than people say, but Republicans are pretty consistently more racist than Democrats.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-white-republicans-more-racist-than-white-democrats/
Brolic Gaoler
formerly Alienshogun
Then perhaps you should have said that instead of what you did say. You also should be posting telling others to keep the thread on topic and to only discuss the Michael Brown shooting, not just jump in when someone posts something you don't agree with. But you haven't don't that either. You don't seem to have a problem with people using a thread about a dead teenager as a launching pad for other race related topics, so long as they fit your perspective that is.
Or maybe I've read your posts wrong.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
commedieu droppin some knowledge. Epic post right there. Dat Mcmuffin line.
benjipwns
Banned
race issues are relevant to the discussion broly. We aren't bending over backwards to reach around our assholes to touch our nose avoiding the r-word. What isn't relevant to the discussion? Whether the discussion of race and authority and the conservative attachment to both are unfair to the Republican party and their voters.
THAT isn't relevant to the thread. But that is much of what you've had to offer and seems to be the foundation of your opinions besides your earlier admission of your tendency to always defer to authority.
agreed.
I'm wondering when you will actually address the hardball posts. But I won't hold my breathe.
- Status