Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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Skullface said:
I think Wilson may be innocent. I don't know whether or not he is. Brown may have had it coming. Or he may have begged for his life and Wilson may have killed him cold blood. I don't know these answers and I don't claim to know them.
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This is where everyone's confusion is coming from. You claim to be impartial, that we don't know the whole story, that it could go either way, but you've monetarily backed one side. Do you not see the contradiction?
 
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Donating money to someone who shot an unarmed teenager at least 6 times and not donating to the family who actually lost their son is just all sorts of aggravating for me. I think I may need to take an emotional break from this thread.
 
turtle553 said:
There will not be a private lawyer for the prosecution. The only time the Brown family would need a lawyer in court is if there is a civil case. That would probably not happen until after a criminal trial.
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So who will be the actual ones prosecuting Wilson if this goes to court? (Sorry, I apparently know very little about this kind of thing)
 
Stinkles said:
Did you donate anything to the Brown family during this fit of even handedness? I mean, in a world of waiting for the truth to unfold, you obviously realized Brown could have been innocent too, and that his family would have lots of expenditures and no police union or insurance to help them, right?
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Oh wow. I'm a huge fan of yours Stinkles. The answer to your question is no. It's hard for me to feel obliged to donate to their family at the moment being that they have the outspoken support of figures that can do far more with their words than a $10 donation from me can do. In my view, I'm helping to even the legal playing grounds. This doesn't mean at some point I won't feel obliged to donate to the Browns.
 
Red Blaster said:
im glad we have brave, impartial mediators like skullface who see through the biased media's pressuring of wilson
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We just need a fair trial for the guy who's spent three weeks without being charged for anything and never filed an incident report and whose coworkers have been smearing the "victim" and leaking stories about injuries before recanting.

Nappuccino said:
So who will be the actual ones prosecuting Wilson if this goes to court? (Sorry, I apparently know very little about this kind of thing)
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The state, like with any criminal trial. Assuming that he eventually gets charged of course.
 
Punchy4486 said:
This is where everyone's confusion is coming from. You claim to be impartial, that we don't know the whole story, that it could go either way, but you've monetarily backed one side. Do you not see the contradiction?
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I see where you're coming from, but just about every news source seems to point towards Wilson being in the wrong. That he's a murderer. I just want to see that this man gets a fair trial is all.
 
Just heard the audio of the gun shots. They match what his friend said... Wilson shot at Brown as he was running away (6 shots in the audio). Brown was hit/grazed by a few of them, turned around and put his hands in the air (the pause) and then Wilson unloaded again.
 
Skullface said:
Oh wow. I'm a huge fan of yours Stinkles. The answer to your question is no. It's hard for me to feel obliged to donate to their family at the moment being that they have the outspoken support of figures that can do far more with their words than a $10 donation from me can do. In my view, I'm helping to even the legal playing grounds. This doesn't mean at some point I won't feel obliged to donate to the Browns.
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You mean like Wilson has the backing the Police Union and the Ferguson PD? You're a walking contradiction and frankly the fact that I'm having to reply to someone that gave money to that man makes me sick.

Skullface said:
I see where you're coming from, but just about every news source seems to point towards Wilson being in the wrong. That he's a murderer. I just want to see that this man gets a fair trial is all.
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Yes, because as we all know, white police officers are frequently raked over the coals by the criminal justice system in this country. Give me an ABSOLUTE GODDAMN BREAK!!
 
Skullface said:
Oh wow. I'm a huge fan of yours Stinkles. The answer to your question is no. It's hard for me to feel obliged to donate to their family at the moment being that they have the outspoken support of figures that can do far more with their words than a $10 donation from me can do. In my view, I'm helping to even the legal playing grounds. This doesn't mean at some point I won't feel obliged to donate to the Browns.
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You're either:

a) trolling
b) have no idea how the legal system works
c) extremely misguided
 
Skullface said:
I see where you're coming from, but just about every news source seems to point towards Wilson being in the wrong. That he's a murderer. I just want to see that this man gets a fair trial is all.
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I think every news source is mentioning the evidence we have so far. That's what paints him as the murderer lol.
 
Nappuccino said:
So who will be the actual ones prosecuting Wilson if this goes to court? (Sorry, I apparently know very little about this kind of thing)
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It will be the prosecutors (government employees) for whichever court takes this to trial. Probably St. Louis county District Attorney's office. Since the state brings the charges in criminal cases, they get to say who the prosecutors are.

Civil cases are usually private matters where both sides choose their own lawyers.
 
Skullface said:
Oh wow. I'm a huge fan of yours Stinkles. The answer to your question is no. It's hard for me to feel obliged to donate to their family at the moment being that they have the outspoken support of figures that can do far more with their words than a $10 donation from me can do. In my view, I'm helping to even the legal playing grounds. This doesn't mean at some point I won't feel obliged to donate to the Browns.
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The Brown's are probably looking at millions of dollars in legal fees for any civil judgment they get out of the taxpayers.
 
teiresias said:
You mean like Wilson has the backing the Police Union and the Ferguson PD? You're a walking contradiction and frankly the fact that I'm replying to someone that gave money to that man makes me sick.
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Why would that make you sick? Is Wilson obviously guilty in your eyes?
 
It seems to me that most folks in this thread are convinced that Wilson is a murderer. All the evidence is unchallenged and frankly, 3rd hand information. The only solid evidence we have so far is the coroner's report which tells us Brown was not shot in the back like we were all told originally.
 
The media portrayed Casey Anthony and OJ as criminals. Maybe Skullface donated to them too.

There is more evidence of Wilson's guilt than innocence. We haven't even heard his side of the story since he left the scene. Oh right because of his facial injuries which didn't show up on video of him after the shooting as he casually walked around talking to another cop without appearing injured or touching or referencing his face at all. And because he decided not to write an incident report at all. Or because his department is trying to discredit the victim with ancillary information against the request of the DoJ. And he hasn't even been indicted yet. There's a lot of shady stuff in this investigation, and it's almost entirely on one side.
 
Skullface said:
It seems to me that most folks in this thread are convinced that Wilson is a murderer. All the evidence is unchallenged and frankly, 3rd hand information. The only solid evidence we have so far is the coroner's report which tells us Brown was not shot in the back like we were all told originally.
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You claim to be impartial but already chose a side.
 
Skullface said:
It seems to me that most folks in this thread are convinced that Wilson is a murderer. All the evidence is unchallenged and frankly, 3rd hand information. The only solid evidence we have so far is the coroner's report which tells us Brown was not shot in the back like we were all told originally.
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Might be because Officer Wilson chose to never file an incident report.
 
Skullface said:
It seems to me that most folks in this thread are convinced that Wilson is a murderer. All the evidence is unchallenged and frankly, 3rd hand information. The only solid evidence we have so far is the coroner's report which tells us Brown was not shot in the back like we were all told originally.
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It doesn't matter what most people think.

You have said that you have no idea if Wilson is innocent. Yet you donated money to him because in your mind, it's not fair how the media has portrayed him and that he deserves a fair trial and that somehow your money will "even the legal playing field."

Let me use your logic: I have no idea if you think Wilson is innocent, but I think you think Wilson is innocent.
 
Skullface said:
It seems to me that most folks in this thread are convinced that Wilson is a murderer. All the evidence is unchallenged and frankly, 3rd hand information. The only solid evidence we have so far is the coroner's report which tells us Brown was not shot in the back like we were all told originally.
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Actually the witnesses say Mike was shot at, "jerked" as though hit or grazed (or surprised), turned around with his arms in the air and then was shot by a volley of 4-5 bullets. And the autopsy is entirely consistent with that.
 
Skullface said:
Oh wow. I'm a huge fan of yours Stinkles. The answer to your question is no. It's hard for me to feel obliged to donate to their family at the moment being that they have the outspoken support of figures that can do far more with their words than a $10 donation from me can do. In my view, I'm helping to even the legal playing grounds. This doesn't mean at some point I won't feel obliged to donate to the Browns.
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The legal playing grounds were uneven when office wilson decided to use lethal force against a jaywalker.
 
ElectricBlanketFire said:
It doesn't matter what most people think.

You have said that you have no idea if Wilson is innocent. Yet you donated money to him because in your mind, it's not fair how the media has portrayed him and that he deserves a fair trial and that somehow your money will "even the legal playing field."

Let me use your logic: I have no idea if you think Wilson is innocent, but I think you think Wilson is innocent.
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I said quite clearly that I think he could be innocent. I'm not confident enough to state his innocence as fact, which is more than what could be said about people stating his guilt as fact at this juncture. The fact that there are people out there labeling him as guilty right now is what drove me to donate.
 
Skullface said:
It seems to me that most folks in this thread are convinced that Wilson is a murderer. All the evidence is unchallenged and frankly, 3rd hand information. The only solid evidence we have so far is the coroner's report which tells us Brown was not shot in the back like we were all told originally.
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Police sources said he was fired on as he was running away, witnesses said that, now audio says that.

What justification is there for firing on an unarmed man that many times? He posed no threat to the officer or anyone else. Do you think that was justified?

That alone is enough to say Wilson is in the wrong, without even knowing what happened after he turned around.
 
Skullface said:
I said quite clearly that I think he could be innocent. I'm not confident enough to state his innocence as fact, which is more than what could be said about people stating his guilt as fact at this juncture. The fact that there are people out there labeling him as guilty right now is what drove me to donate.
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Most people think he's guilty, sure. But most people are also just asking for a trial.
 
Skullface said:
I said quite clearly that I think he could be innocent. I'm not confident enough to state his innocence as fact, which is more than what could be said about people stating his guilt as fact at this juncture. The fact that there are people out there labeling him as guilty right now is what drove me to donate.
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People are also claiming Brown is guilty. A lot of people. More than you realize.

So, how much will you be donating?
 
DECK'ARD said:
Police sources said he was fired on as he was running away, witnesses said that, now audio says that.

What justification is there for firing on an unarmed man that many times? He posed no threat to the officer or anyone else. Do you think that was justified?

That alone is enough to say Wilson is in the wrong, without even knowing what happened after he turned around.
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You are absolutely no expert. Several witnesses have been discredited and that audio you speak of isn't verified as legitimate.
 
Skullface said:
The Ferguson PD just recently came under scrutiny for waiting 10 days to review the incident report.
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The departments general overview, not Wilson's personal report with details of the incident. He never filed one.

Skullface said:
You are absolutely no expert. Several witnesses have been discredited and that audio you speak of isn't verified as legitimate.
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Maybe we should have a trial to sort all this out?
 
Skullface said:
The Ferguson PD just recently came under scrutiny for waiting 10 days to review the incident report.
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http://www.thewire.com/national/201...review-michael-brown-incidents-report/378972/

But according to the document released to the ACLU, there is no real report. The incident report the Ferguson Police Department has on file has little more than the who, where and when of the shooting. It doesn't say what happened, it doesn't say how, and it wasn't even reviewed by a supervisor until 10 days after Michael Brown died. The report was given final approval on August 20.
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At a press conference last week Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson released an incident report related to the robbery Brown was a suspect in . . . It's clear now that Ferguson police knew then that they didn't have the incident report they were asked to release.
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So the first report they tried to release was about the unrelated robbery . . . oh yeah, no shinanigans there!!
 
Skullface said:
It seems to me that most folks in this thread are convinced that Wilson is a murderer. All the evidence is unchallenged and frankly, 3rd hand information. The only solid evidence we have so far is the coroner's report which tells us Brown was not shot in the back like we were all told originally.
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Third hand information would be how friends of Wilson relayed his version of events. People at the scene as the crime took place relaying similar versions of events is not 3rd hand. And they said it "looked" as though he was shot in the back the way he reacted. Maybe he himself thought he was shot with the flurry of bullets whizzing past him.
 
benjipwns said:
The departments general overview, not Wilson's personal report with details of the incident. He never filed one.


Maybe we should have a trial to sort all this out?
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I concede, you are correct. I also concur that they need to hurry up with this indictment and get this trial started.
 
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