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[Freeman]

Yes, she is doing her job and making money for doing so. Just because you seem to think critical analysis of video games is not a valid endeavor does not make it not a profession. Film critics are paid to write film criticism. In what way is she undeserving of payment in exchange for a service?

And given the number of developers who have said they are better game designers after watching her videos and the fact that Neil Druckmann credits her series with improving his writing in multi-GOTY winner The Last of Us, I would say she has actually contributed a great deal to the industry in a very short time.



Heh.

That is your opinion and I have mine. If I don't like what she is doing it doesn't mean I think she shouldn't or couldn't be doing it. I believe that if this subject was being tackled by someone with more credit it would be handled much better.

Just because I like TLoU it doesn't mean I have to agree or believe everything Neil Drukman says. If he is saying that he is giving her to much credit.

Pointing out and shining a light on problematic and lazy story telling as it relates to female characters isn't contributing? These things should just be ignored?

Doing it without providing proper context, in an inadequate manner and without proper knowledge isn't contributing to anything good. I hope that whenever other issues that games have to overcome come up (like the lack of black developers and characters) it is done in a better manner.

 

[Vice]

At this point I don't even understand what this shit is about.

The threats against her have been escalating since the Kickstarter began. People are really upset because she's "making games look bad" by pointing out content in them.

 

[stupei]

I believe Neil Druckmann said it influenced him to take a harder look at his work. I don't know if it actually caused him to change anything in TLoU. Not saying that it didn't, but I would call it unlikely.

He said, while presenting Sarkeesian with an award for her work, that she has "helped the game industry advance to a better place" and specifically: "Anita's work was highly influential in my approach to writing for The Last of Us, greatly improving its story."

So no, he specifically said it impacted the story.

 

[Cymbal Head]

pretty sad that people do these kinds of stupid things.

i think the only thing she ever really did wrong when it comes to her videos is stealing footage and fanart from other people with a blanket fair use claim at the end. at least point out which let's players or artists whose work you're using in your videos.

but other than that i don't see what these people are so mad about

Fair use doesn't work that way. What you're asking her to do is give attribution.

Ugh why am I getting annoyed by intellectual property in a thread about death threats.

 

[nvrndr]

Really fucking hate the internet sometimes.

Agreed.

The internet can be such an ugly place at times.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

The threats against her have been escalating since the Kickstarter began. People are really upset because she's "making games look bad" by pointing out content in them.

Yeah this is what I don't understand as I forgot that she even exists.

 

[stupei]

That is your opinion and I have mine. If I don't like what she is doing it doesn't mean I think she shouldn't or couldn't be doing it. I believe that if this subject was being tackled by someone with more credit it would be handled much better.

Just because I like TLoU it doesn't mean I have to agree or believe everything Neil Drukman says. If he is saying that he is giving her to much credit.

So it's just my opinion that media criticism is a valid field of work and that the people who engage with it should receive payment in exchange for their work and Neil Druckmann is lying about his own writing process.

Okay.

edit: To be clear, you're changing your argument completely. You said that you don't like her because she's an opportunist and one reason she's an opportunist is because she received payment.

I simply pointed out that she received payment in exchange for doing her job. Obviously you are free to not consider what she does for a living a valid means of making money, and are free to make your own money some other way, but the people who paid her obviously considered it a worthwhile venture so I'm not sure how taking money in exchange for work done is a negative that reflects directly on her unless you're speaking to some kind of issue with Capitalism as a whole.

 

[FacelessSamurai]

Pointing out and shining a light on problematic and lazy story telling as it relates to female characters isn't contributing? These things should just be ignored?

Considering approximately half of gamers are women, I'd say there really isn't any pointing out to be done.

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

Like someone said, Amy Hennig, Corrinne Yu and Kellee Santiago actually do contribute something to this industry and are not hated for it and they do really enjoy games. I don't see any death threats made towards them and they don't talk out loud about supposedly how bad it is for females in this industry like Anita does, and the reason is because Anita has blown this out of proportions, is being called out for it, and she just won't stop.

Also, leaving her house because of death threats received on the Internet, really? I can't help but laugh at this, as it is obvious nothing will happen to her.

 

[Vice]

Yeah this is what I don't understand as I forgot that she even exists.

People take this seriously I guess. Can't simply ignore her youtube channel and not click on articles about her for the two weeks where her videos are popular after they release so they threaten someone who isn't doing anything to hurt the industry. Plus, all that weird Zoe Quinn stuff has infuriated all the people who dislike feminism mixing with video games.

That is your opinion and I have mine. If I don't like what she is doing it doesn't mean I think she shouldn't or couldn't be doing it. I believe that if this subject was being tackled by someone with more credit it would be handled much better.

Just because I like TLoU it doesn't mean I have to agree or believe everything Neil Drukman says. If he is saying that he is giving her to much credit.

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That's the point of criticism though, to make artists look at their work and hopefully improve it. Having a variety of voices, rather than just ones with "more credit" results in better works being made since their are a wide number of consumers and fans out there whose voices get lost in the crowd.

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

It still bugs me how "game journalism" makes articles out of nothing but tweets.

Serious work like getting a quote or two from her, contacting the authorities to ask how the situation is being handled, nah too much work.

Just copypasta the tweet and reword it, voila clicks turn into money. Sigh.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Also, Anita is not a gamer

She is, but even if she weren't, why would it matter?

 

[Freeman]

He said, while presenting Sarkeesian with an award for her work, that she has "helped the game industry advance to a better place" and specifically: "Anita's work was highly influential in my approach to writing for The Last of Us, greatly improving its story."

So no, he specifically said it impacted the story.

I never said anything about that. Why can't we have a honest discussion?

She has the right to ask for money to do whatever she wants and I have the right to not like what she is doing. I din't like Don Mattrick for example, nothing personal against him.

She is, but even if she weren't, why would it matter?

Because she is talking about it, sort of as if she was an expert? We can criticize game journalist for being incompetent but she is somehow immune?

 

[wcoreysmith]

Wait, so anonymous Twitter trolls are now representative of the entirety of the tech community? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate what people are doing to miss Sarkeesian, but is that really "proof" that the tech community as a whole hates / despises women? Am I alone in having doubts that anyone (regardless of gender) will be harassed by internet trolls should you open your mouth about anything?

• I know people that openly speak about being Atheist and receive death threats for doing so from Christians, does that mean the entirety of Christianity hates Atheists?
  
• I've witnessed people, both men and women, speaking up about being raped, who then receive death threats on the internet, does that mean the entirety of (males on) the internet condones rape?
  
• I've seen both men and women speak up about depression on the internet who then receive endless comments of people telling them to go kill themselves, does that mean the entirely of society feels that way?
  
• That guy who's tweet was just quoted, Thunderfoot, he himself got death threats (both online and offline) and had people try to ruin his scientific career for speaking about atheism and feminism, does that mean the whole internet thinks that is okay?
  
• I've seen endless tweets by feminists a while ago, making fun of a news story where a women cut off her boyfriends penis, thinking it was absolutely hilarious and deserved, does that mean all feminists think that is okay?

I'm not trying to demean how terrible it is what miss Sarkeesian is going through, but I just honestly want to ask if this is a case of "open your mouth about anything online and you will get threats" or if this is actually indicative of something more. I would just like to hear what people think so I can clear up my own thoughts about this issue, as I currently don't really know what to think. There is way too much noise going on for me to decide whether or not this is all just people being their usual pleasant selves (when anonymous online) or if this is actually representative of an anti-women attitude in the tech-industry as a whole.

You hit the nail on the head for me when it comes to this whole Anita thing.

I don't know why she has become this vessel that suddenly represents the struggles of every woman in the "tech industry" despite the fact that the reason she is a target of this vitriol is because of things she did, not because of who she is, at least not entirely.

Again, not saying that her actions justify the reactions she gets, but it is related.

 

[unbias]

It still bugs me how "game journalism" makes articles out of nothing but tweets.

Serious work like getting a quote or two from her, contacting the authorities to ask how the situation is being handled, nah too much work.

Just copypasta the tweet and reword it, voila clicks turn into money. Sigh.

Looks like the paparazzi to me... No problems, right?

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Because she is talking about it, sort of as if she was an expert? We can criticize game journalist for being incompetent but she is somehow immune?

She is an expert on gender as it relates to video games.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Considering approximately half of gamers are women, I'd say there really isn't any pointing out to be done.

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

Like someone said, Amy Hennig, Corrinne Yu and Kellee Santiago actually do contribute something to this industry and are not hated for it and they do really enjoy games. I don't see any death threats made towards them and they don't talk out loud about supposedly how bad it is for females in this industry like Anita does, and the reason is because Anita has blown this out of proportions, is being called out for it, and she just won't stop.

Also, leaving her house because of death threats received on the Internet, really? I can't help but laugh at this, as it is obvious nothing will happen to her.

Jesus Christ, people. You do understand that it is possible to both enjoy a hobby and still think it has some growing up to do, right? And because those other females don't talk loud about issues that they might honestly share with Anita, they are "the good ones"? She's blown nothing out of proportion. She's made a fucking YouTube video series. Nothing about bringing down the gaming industry is on her damn schedule. And for a second it might help to realize that people are different from you. If you get death threats and can laugh 'em off cool. Don't expect others to respond the same way when they get messages that include their home address.

 

[Evil Monkey DTT]

I feel sad to call myself a fan of video games sometimes. This is just awful.

 

[Vice]

Looks like the paparazzi to me... No problems, right?

This is a problem with the media as a whole not just papparazzi. Even CNN/the NY Time will make stories based on tweets. The lose of fact checkers and one reporter having to do the job of four has lead to a lot of cut corners in the journalism industry over the past decade.

Considering approximately half of gamers are women, I'd say there really isn't any pointing out to be done.

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

Like someone said, Amy Hennig, Corrinne Yu and Kellee Santiago actually do contribute something to this industry and are not hated for it and they do really enjoy games. I don't see any death threats made towards them and they don't talk out loud about supposedly how bad it is for females in this industry like Anita does, and the reason is because Anita has blown this out of proportions, is being called out for it, and she just won't stop.

Also, leaving her house because of death threats received on the Internet, really? I can't help but laugh at this, as it is obvious nothing will happen to her.

It's nothing to laugh about, people have been killed over less. I believe someone drove cross country to kill someone because they griefed them in an FPS a few years ago. People are nuts and all threats should be taken seriously.

 

[FlyinJ]

Hopefully producing a game or contributing with something of some quality I suppose.

I'm assuming I can dislike her and her product without being banned.

We have rewritten our script and changed several characters in the AAA game I am currently working on to make them less offensive as a direct result of these videos.

I know at least a dozen other developers at several other studios who have done the same.

I find what she has done to be an immensely important thing for the entire game industry, finally addressing a problem that has been swept under the rug for decades.

So, there's that.

 

[jon bones]

Considering approximately half of gamers are women, I'd say there really isn't any pointing out to be done.

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

Like someone said, Amy Hennig, Corrinne Yu and Kellee Santiago actually do contribute something to this industry and are not hated for it and they do really enjoy games. I don't see any death threats made towards them and they don't talk out loud about supposedly how bad it is for females in this industry like Anita does, and the reason is because Anita has blown this out of proportions, is being called out for it, and she just won't stop.

Also, leaving her house because of death threats received on the Internet, really? I can't help but laugh at this, as it is obvious nothing will happen to her.

your lack of empathy is astounding

 

[Freeman]

That's the point of criticism though, to make artists look at their work and hopefully improve it. Having a variety of voices, rather than just ones with "more credit" results in better works being made since their are a wide number of consumers and fans out there whose voices get lost in the crowd.

As I said before she can do weather she want, I think it is reasonable for me to hold an opinion that her contributions and her videos are of poor quality and essentially a disservice for the discussion.

We have rewritten our script and changed several characters in the AAA game I am currently working on to make them less offensive as a direct result of these videos.

I know at least a dozen other developers at several other studios who have done the same.

I find what she has done to be an immensely important thing for the entire game industry, finally addressing a problem that has been swept under the rug for decades.

So, there's that.

If this is true I'm truly disappointed that it was necessary such a simplistic video to make such an oblivious thing visible.

I study computer science and the ratio of female/male is completely lopsided, shaming gamers isn't going to fix it. When it comes to the way games portray woman, its ignoring the fact it is/was a new media that pretty much portrayed everyone in a poor manner and could barely tell a story and to this day still has a hard time to even tell a decent story most of the time.

 

[stupei]

I never said anything about that. Why can't we have a honest discussion?

She has the right to ask for money to do whatever she wants and I have the right to not like what she is doing. I din't like Don Mattrick for example, nothing personal against him.

I assume this is in response to my saying that you called her an opportunist, but it's unclear what words you think I am misquoting, since you quoted something when I was responding to someone else.

But I'm baffled.

Heavy shit. This guy needs to be caught.

I still don't like Anita Sarkeesian, an opportunist if I ever seen one.

She made money out of it, she had no ties to the game industry before, she hardly contribute anything outside of disinformation (asking for money upfront to make a series of videos on youtube?). Its relevant because we were talking about her, it has nothing to do with death threats (something that is absolutely wrong).

My point was that as someone who doesn't like her I still completely disapprove this sort of criminal behavior.

In what ways exactly did I not directly respond to the exact things you said? How am I being dishonest?

 

[Vice]

As I said before she can do weather she want, I think it is reasonable for me to hold an opinion that her contributions and her videos are of poor quality and essentially a disservice for the discussion.

The discussion wasn't happening as often or with such intensity, and progress, before she entered though. Outside of Anita, the majority of women who have complained about the content of games, or work environment, have been dismissed as being either too sensitive or bad workers and people point out people like Amy henning as example as to why the industry is a good place for women rather than seeing them as exceptions to the rule.

She has, so far, met all the goals she set out to accomplish and her backers supported. She has delivered exactly what she promised and it has had the results she wanted.

 

[unbias]

This is a problem with the media as a whole not just papparazzi. Even CNN/the NY Time will make stories based on tweets. The lose of fact checkers and one reporter having to do the job of four has lead to a lot of cut corners in the journalism industry over the past decade.

Oh, I completely agree. New media is the old media is the new media. Standards dont matter as long as your POV is being preached. Gaming is just a small window in the problems with the press, in general.

 

[Cymbal Head]

I am having a dawning realization that there are people out there who simultaneously think that a) Anita is having no effect whatsoever on gaming and b) for this she must be stopped.

And I can only imagine the cognitive dissonance that must produce.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I am having a dawning realization that there are people out there who simultaneously think that a) Anita is having no effect whatsoever on gaming and b) for this she must be stopped.

And I can only imagine the cognitive dissonance that must produce.

Goddamn!

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

He said, while presenting Sarkeesian with an award for her work, that she has "helped the game industry advance to a better place" and specifically: "Anita's work was highly influential in my approach to writing for The Last of Us, greatly improving its story."

So no, he specifically said it impacted the story.

I stand corrected.

 

[Maebe]

You hit the nail on the head for me when it comes to this whole Anita thing.

I don't know why she has become this vessel that suddenly represents the struggles of every woman in the "tech industry" despite the fact that the reason she is a target of this vitriol is because of things she did, not because of who she is, at least not entirely.

Again, not saying that her actions justify the reactions she gets, but it is related.

The angry nerds are the ones who have made her the vessel for the vitriol, more or less. All she does is make videos about tropes in games. Some of the community tries to deny and or insult or threaten her for it constantly. They are the ones making this a bigger deal than it should be.

 

[GoodCoffeeJoey]

Those tweets are terrifying. Anita has serious spine to keep doing her series, most people would have given up a long time ago.

Mike Krahulik disproved it personally.

lol

 

[DoktorEvil]

Considering approximately half of gamers are women, I'd say there really isn't any pointing out to be done.

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

Like someone said, Amy Hennig, Corrinne Yu and Kellee Santiago actually do contribute something to this industry and are not hated for it and they do really enjoy games. I don't see any death threats made towards them and they don't talk out loud about supposedly how bad it is for females in this industry like Anita does, and the reason is because Anita has blown this out of proportions, is being called out for it, and she just won't stop.

Also, leaving her house because of death threats received on the Internet, really? I can't help but laugh at this, as it is obvious nothing will happen to her.

I'm glad someone reads my posts.

To be clear, I wasn't a fan of her work in the beginning because it was sloppy. She's gotten much, much better with production and funding.

I also never said she wasn't a gamer. Honestly the bar to be called one isn't high. She doesn't need to be a gamer as we define it to be recognized for her sociological work. It's having real effects with developers. What have you done lately?(the figurative you).

There's another thread that pointed out by the ESA that there were more female gamers under 18 more than men and the very first couple of responses were " candy crush doesn't count". And people wonder why the gamer community is so fucking toxic with an attitude like that. That elitist boys club bullshit that wealthy people play that I so much despise.

I thought the gaming community was supposed to be accepting of everyone, but I get reminders that it's not and that being a gamer isn't a very high bar, so I should expect shitty people.

But in the industry itself? There should be more female artists, more female programmers, more female writers, and more female leads. It won't come easy(because anything that comes easy will be discredited) but I want to see that to see better everything in all of gaming. Sakurai using a female artist as a shield for those Zero Suit Samus designs shouldn't have to happen, and it wouldn't with more female developers.

I respect the women with the talent and toughness to work in that business.

 

[Vice]

Oh, I completely agree. New media is the old media is the new media. Standards dont matter as long as your POV is being preached. Gaming is just a small window in the problems with the press, in general.

I don't think it's the issue of the reporters, wholly, writers are expected to crank out enough content to sustain entire networks of websites seven days a week. It's impossible to write five days of high-quality, or even medium quality, content with such small staffs so writers go for subjects that don't require as much investment. The easiest things are hot button issues you can write an opinion about or social media fueled stories.

 

[Mr-Joker]

I can understand disagreeing with someone provided it's done a reasonable and respectful way but to actually threaten them and their family is a not the correct way.

The threats against her have been escalating since the Kickstarter began. People are really upset because she's "making games look bad" by pointing out content in them.

Yeah I remember someone photoshopping images of her being beaten up, to which I thought were stupid.

 

[unbias]

I don't think it's the issue of the reporters, wholly, writers are expected to crank out enough content to sustain entire networks of websites seven days a week. It's impossible to write five days of high-quality, or even medium quality, content with such small staffs so writers go for subjects that don't require as much investment. The easiest things are hot button issues you can write an opinion about or social media fueled stories.

Well ya, that's exactly what I mean when I say the old media is the new media is the new media is the old media is the new media. The same issues are as alive as ever, for a brief time you could believe things have changed. Welp, they have not. It's all about the bottom line and "picking a side" chasing after tabloid rumors(twitter posts) and continually not using statistics to back up a definitive claim is how you generate the revenue. It's like forum posts now, but with higher production values.

 

[Maebe]

Considering approximately half of gamers are women, I'd say there really isn't any pointing out to be done.

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

Like someone said, Amy Hennig, Corrinne Yu and Kellee Santiago actually do contribute something to this industry and are not hated for it and they do really enjoy games. I don't see any death threats made towards them and they don't talk out loud about supposedly how bad it is for females in this industry like Anita does, and the reason is because Anita has blown this out of proportions, is being called out for it, and she just won't stop.

Also, leaving her house because of death threats received on the Internet, really? I can't help but laugh at this, as it is obvious nothing will happen to her.

Just because some women aren't talking about the issue doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anita is not the only person who has spoken out or been affected by this. And you are saying this is justified because she had the audacity to speak about the issue. Nice.
And what, because there's a lot of girls playing games, sexism is over? Wtf are you doing?
Also, the people threatening her had her address.

Yeah I remember someone photoshopping images of her being beaten up, to which I thought were stupid.

Jesus christ

 

[GoodCoffeeJoey]

The Sarkeesian Effect shitbags ask their followers not to harass her, as it would undermine their claims of her lying about being harassed.

Then one of them proceeded to retweet this:

Thunderf00t is such a piece of shit. I can't believe I used to be a fan of his.

 

[Candescence]

This is pretty fucked up. I have no problems with Miss Sarkeesian as a person, and I certainly have no problems with the concept of her work or the intent, but I DO have problems with her methodology and conclusions, in many cases, she's either severely exaggerating certain cases or seeing issues that aren't actually there.

Sure, there are problems with female characters in gaming, but Anita's examples and arguments have been known to be somewhat questionable. None of this is any justification for this kind of harassment. SMH.

 

[Corpekata]

Holy shit at that Sarkeesian Effect blog "Recently I assisted the police and FBI in tracking down and apprehending a would-be killer named Keshav Bhide. Know that I will have no hesitation to do the same in this situation, even for Anita Sarkeesian's benefit."

That dude is Dwight Schrute in real life.

 

[stupei]

I stand corrected.

Sorry if that sounded short btw. I went to double check because I thought maybe I was losing my mind. I remember him saying it because it's a nice moment of "oh wow, words can make a difference." Sometimes it can become easy to forget with how crappy people are to each other online.

snip

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

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Chris Remo says that he's talked to her at length and he said she plays and cares about games a lot. Either she's faking, he's lying, or it's very possible that Anita plays games and does not call herself "a gamer." In fact, I'm pretty sure all I've ever heard her say is "I'm not a gamer" but never "I do not play games" and given the toxic behavior the gaming community demonstrates in her direction a lot of the time it might just be that she doesn't associate herself with the label or consider herself someone who plays games often enough to be "a gamer."

I wouldn't know. I don't know her personally and so of course I have no idea what kind of gaming background Anita has.

And that's fine. If she'd started a kickstarter to become a pro gamer then I would probably want to know more about her years and experience playing games, but since her job is as a media critic I am overall much more concerned with her understanding and deconstruction of media.

I think the fact that so many people who dismiss her videos completely fixate on how much she does or does not play games demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding about what she is actually doing.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

I love this.

More Games of the Year, please.

No, obviously, Druckmann is a piece of shit for retweeting her stuff and he wants to censor games and take away our freedoms and stuff!

Mike Krahulik disproved it personally.

LOL

I believe Neil Druckmann said it influenced him to take a harder look at his work. I don't know if it actually caused him to change anything in TLoU. Not saying that it didn't, but I would call it unlikely.

Nope:

Many developers now have a greater understanding of character tropes and the shortcomings they can lead to.

I know for me, Anita’s work was highly influential in my approach to writing for The Last of Us – greatly improving its story.​

Source: http://www.feministfrequency.com/2014/04/the-2014-game-developers-choice-ambassador-award/

Just because I like TLoU it doesn't mean I have to agree or believe everything Neil Drukman says. If he is saying that he is giving her to much credit.

LOL, unfuckingbelievable. The writer and creator of the product says she inspired him, but you won't believe him because... reasons?

 

[APF]

The fact (ahem) of the matter is that news outlets can no longer afford (in terms of both money and time/opportunity) to fact check as they did maybe two decades ago. This is not their fault, but both the fault of technology and their dispersing readerships.

 

[ChawlieTheFair]

Sorry if that sounded short btw. I went to double check because I thought maybe I was losing my mind. I remember him saying it because it's a nice moment of "oh wow, words can make a difference." Sometimes it can become easy to forget with how crappy people are to each other online.



Chris Remo says that he's talked to her at length and he said she plays and cares about games a lot. Either she's faking, he's lying, or it's very possible that Anita plays games and does not call herself "a gamer." In fact, I'm pretty sure all I've ever heard her say is "I'm not a gamer" but never "I do not play games" and given the toxic behavior the gaming community demonstrates in her direction a lot of the time it might just be that she doesn't associate herself with the label or consider herself someone who plays games often enough to be "a gamer."

I wouldn't know. I don't know her personally and so of course I have no idea what kind of gaming background Anita has.

And that's fine. If she'd started a kickstarter to become a pro gamer then I would probably want to know more about her years and experience playing games, but since her job is as a media critic I am overall much more concerned with her understanding and deconstruction of media.

I think the fact that so many people who dismiss her videos completely fixate on how much she does or does not play games demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding about what she is actually doing.

No no you and the other poster were totally right, I guess I just remembered differently.

 

[fedexpeon]

Wait...Why is she so afraid of a troll and "online" threats? I don't care about the drama since I think it is funny.
But come on, people are getting SWAT called on them, yet, they still stream/play their game afterward even after showing bunch of guns in their face.
That is more scary than getting online text messages in your inbox since the risk of getting shot is more real than a bunch of words on the screen.
In addition, these people addresses are also compromised so they could potential get more SWAT/Cops called on them...but again, come on guys, address is public information.
You can make a threat to anyone online about coming over to their address if they have public information rapidly available ie: facebook/twitter, or is a public figure.

 

[TheBryanJZX90]

I think facebook (and twitter) have disproved that theory lately. As in "we've got 'normal people' behaving stupidly nad harming others while using their real names or, at least, not behind the veil of anonymity". So being anonymous wasn't the cause of some people being dipshits. They just were.

Yup. Also lol at Mike Krahulik disproving his own theory.

The real reason why it happens isn't because you're anonymous and no one can see you. It's because you can't see who you're talking to. No one has empathy for anyone they speak to on the internet because they don't see the person on the other end of all those tubes as a real person.

 

[Freeman]

LOL, unfuckingbelievable. The writer and creator of the product says she inspired him, but you won't believe him because... reasons?

Because I think he is more intelligent than that, he is probably just being polite or doing what he thinks is right in light of the way she is treated by some people. Ashley Johnson is the reason Ellie changed based on what was said on the documentary.

Everyone who disagreed with the way this issue is being handled is quickly labeled as insane or someone who hates woman. Polarization seems to be the only way modern society reacts to anything. Being less self-righteous would help everyone, If I was sure I was absolutely right I won't even be discussing it.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Wait...Why is she so afraid of a troll and "online" threats?
I mean people are getting SWAT called on them, yet, they still stream/play their game afterward even after showing bunch of guns in their face.
That is more scary than getting online text messages in your inbox since the risk of getting shot is more real than a bunch of words on the screen.
In addition, these people addresses are also compromised so they could potential get more SWAT/Cops called on them...but come on guys, address is public information.
You can make a threat to anyone online about coming over to their address if they have public information rapidly available ie: facebook/twitter, or is a public figure.

A threat is a threat is a threat. If she felt that this one in particular was more valid than others or was the breaking point for her then why do you insist on judging her for reacting the way she did? Not everyone has to react the exact same to every situation.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Whatever long words or justification you may conjure up in your head, nothing can possibly justify threatening someone to the point he/she must vacate away in fear of his/her safety.

I mean, I dislike her for many reasons, but I would personally punch anyone that threatened her in a way the she felt that she must do this goddamn.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I'm curious. As someone who hasn't followed her videos nor paid much attention to her initial Kickstarter... could someone provide (an unpoliticised) perspective on why exactly she's both lauded and disdained?

(Beyond the internet and particularly twitter often being a cesspool.)

 

[TheOMan]

I am only now catching up on this and the Zoe Quinn stuff. Wow, this is horrible. The people doing this need to be brought to justice. Just ridiculous

 

[Dryk]

Those tweets are terrifying. Anita has serious spine to keep doing her series, most people would have given up a long time ago.

You can't give in to shit like this, it'll only encourage people

 

[ishibear]

Considering approximately half of gamers are women, I'd say there really isn't any pointing out to be done.

Also, Anita is not a gamer and has contradicted herself in the past saying she is and elsewhere saying she isn't. She often steals footage for her videos, uses scenes out of context just to try proving her points and further her feminist agenda.

Like someone said, Amy Hennig, Corrinne Yu and Kellee Santiago actually do contribute something to this industry and are not hated for it and they do really enjoy games. I don't see any death threats made towards them and they don't talk out loud about supposedly how bad it is for females in this industry like Anita does, and the reason is because Anita has blown this out of proportions, is being called out for it, and she just won't stop.

Also, leaving her house because of death threats received on the Internet, really? I can't help but laugh at this, as it is obvious nothing will happen to her.

I never said anything about that. Why can't we have a honest discussion?

She has the right to ask for money to do whatever she wants and I have the right to not like what she is doing. I din't like Don Mattrick for example, nothing personal against him.



Because she is talking about it, sort of as if she was an expert? We can criticize game journalist for being incompetent but she is somehow immune?

Everything you say is something you've heard someone else say and it's cute you want to use this as if you know what you're talking about.