Security attempts to stop shoplifters, gets assaulted by passerby.
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Darkmakaimura
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Civilization.
RockTurtle
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poor kids
i love the opportunistic guys coming in without taking into account the situation
i love the opportunistic guys coming in without taking into account the situation
SwiftDeath
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What item are they fighting over? The mother seems intent on keeping it after letting her daughter down and I guess she's the shoplifter?
Darkmakaimura
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So, the people that hit the security guy probably thought he was assaulting the woman. Misunderstanding, but then it can be argued they should have noticed he was wearing one of those neon green security uniform.
So, at least from watching the footage initially and that part a second time, I can understand why that group attacked the guy (to defend the woman). The one at fault here is, of course, that woman who also endangered her children.
So, at least from watching the footage initially and that part a second time, I can understand why that group attacked the guy (to defend the woman). The one at fault here is, of course, that woman who also endangered her children.
Squirrel Killer
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That's why you don't physically stop shoplifters.
Shamrock7r
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I can't stand when the person recording gets high and mighty with the situation when they clearly don't understand what's going on, as is this case if the summary is true.
He was cornered by 3 or 4 guys. They didn't have to hit him.
He was cornered by 3 or 4 guys. They didn't have to hit him.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
It's a terrible situation but that guy was putting the kids and ultimately himself in danger. Granted if he was armed... someone may be dead all because of shoplifting. It really does highlight the idea that arming people who do not know how to properly deal with escalation is and will always be a terrible idea. People my argue the opposite but this video reinforces that fact.
Bam Bam Baklava
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The person who was in the most wrong was the mother. First of all, resisting security. Secondly, child endangerment. And of course theft.
A very shameful display of how not to be a parent.
Resisting private security is a crime now? I weep for humanity. People are more valuable than stuff.
Sexism - Female shoplifter hits male guard, uses kids as shield, then guard gets beat by dudes protecting women
Victim blaming - Yes, it can be deserved like the guard trying to get revenge when that's not the legal norm. Also reminds me of the dude on the Canadian subway that got revenge against the crazy drunk lady.
The dude in red shows how it should be done. Hopefully the kids don't pick up the bad habits, hopefully the parents go to jail, and if they don't they should at least steal better fitting pants.
Victim blaming - Yes, it can be deserved like the guard trying to get revenge when that's not the legal norm. Also reminds me of the dude on the Canadian subway that got revenge against the crazy drunk lady.
The dude in red shows how it should be done. Hopefully the kids don't pick up the bad habits, hopefully the parents go to jail, and if they don't they should at least steal better fitting pants.
Sorry, what? What exactly are you arguing? Are you arguing it was unwise of him? Are you arguing it was illegal of him? Are you arguing it was immoral of him? I can't see how you can argue his actions were immoral, if that is what you are saying.
Darkmakaimura
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I don't condone it and you're right they shouldn't have but I can see why it happened. Also, like some posters have said, he shouldn't have chased after her like that. The bad part she's going to get away regardless. Best thing just to call the cops but chances are she's long gone by that time. Although, would be nice if they did catch her, not only because she shoplifted, but her actions with children. Hopefully, that video going public will lead to her arrest.
If I steal something small from your store, are you allowed to hit me? Shoot me? grab me? Where exactly does it end? What if what I take is only worth a dollar?
No I think theft of any kind NEVER justifies escalation to physical assault. Take a photo, send it to the police, your job (as private security) is over.
LaserBuddha
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I really don't think this video gives us anything worth arguing over. Not that that will stop you, of course.
Thats a Tap Out shirt which is not associated with security in the least bit which makes it seem like some random guy fighting a woman and her kid.
Corronchilejano
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It's pretty obvious the security guard wasn't following procedures. If he was... then its the stores fault.
That said, why use your kids to shoplift? What kind of parent are you being?
That said, why use your kids to shoplift? What kind of parent are you being?
Shamrock7r
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The fact that you equate any physical defense of ones possessions as "physical assault" tells me you have a very warped view. If I had my wallet snatched from the back of my pocket and the thief takes off, I believe I have every moral right to chase him down, tackle him, and get my property back. I hope you can understand that point of view.
poppabk
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He has hold of the bag, with the stolen goods in them. He doesn't have hold of her at all. She hits him. She escalates to physical assault. While holding her child.
Shamrock7r
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The fact that you equate any physical defense of ones possessions as "physical assault" tells me you have a very warped view. If I had my wallet snatched from the back of my pocket and the thief takes off, I believe I have every moral right to chase him down, tackle him, and get my property back. I hope you can understand that point of view.
I can understand the men stopping the guy, as I don't think his work attire fully showed that he was security, but the men cornered him, he wasn't resisting at all, and one random dude throws the first punch. That part is not understandable and just reeks of idiots finding a reason to hit someone.
DonasaurusRex
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once they leave your store let it go, they are on the street just get as much info as you can and file a police report so that person cannot come in your store. Anything less than 200 isn't going to garner much attention though .
Why not just use security cameras then? Why even have security guards if you won't allow them to do anything?
I agree, good solution.
Shamrock7r
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I believe the thought is security isn't necessarily hired to stop thefts in progress, but just to act as a physical presence kind of deterrent against people thinking about it. Human scarecrows, more or less.
Until they grab you and chase you out the store.
Shamrock7r
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And nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I'm just describing the thought process behind most stores that hire security.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
You see though... this isn't a competition. No one is questioning if a crime was committed, this is a matter of escalation where things go from bad to worse when people's judgment begin to fail. As soon as the person who is supposed to be on the right side of the law fails, not only are they part of the circle of failure but they're action potentially makes a bad thing worse and as the video shows, it can get pretty terrible for all involved.
Darkmakaimura
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I don't condone what they did at all but in the heat of the moment, I can see how this happened. Nonetheless, they were wrong about hitting him. The security guy probably should not have gone after her, either.
The video evidence will hopefully fairly prosecute all those involved. Nonetheless, the real "bad guy" in all this is the mother. She endangered her children, she shoplifted and she attempted to assault the security.
What should have happened was security guy try to stop her, she gets away, and instead of going after her, he calls the cops.
giancarlo123x
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This is rich. Just let anyone take what they want. It's cool, just take a picture.
Bam Bam Baklava
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It's not a crime but it doesn't seem like a smart thing to do. I personally wouldn't try it if I knew I was guilty. Hell even if it was a misunderstanding I would wait for the authorities to arrive.
All around poor decision making on display by the shoplifter if you ask me.
While I understand your point. I also have to assign proper amount of blame. Sure this security guy may have made some mistakes but I find the woman's actions much more reprehensible.
Dark Ninja
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He should carry mace
This is a very common shoplifting tactic you would be surprised.
Beerman462
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If only the security guard had a gun...
Some people would totally argue it is okay to shoot people for petty theft.
Shamrock7r
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There also people who would argue it's not okay to defend your property in any physical manner whatsoever if you are being robbed. Those crazies on both ends of the spectrum man...
John Kowalski
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Should've had a mini nuke. Nuclear deterrence is better than gun deterrence. Probably.
So gloves and a mask and you can steal whatever you want?
He also got hit several times from the women and a sucker punch later on from the dudes. It's not okay to shoot people even in those circumstances, but it was more than just petty theft.
Beerman462
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I can understand his actions more if it's his store, but either way once the thief is shown to be determined to get away and they are off your property it's time to stop pursuing. I mean you can follow them all day until you can get the cops involved, but is it worth it?
How hands on are they allowed to be? Tackle, batons, guns, tazers...we can't even trust cops to be even handed and you want to give power to minimumwage security?
I really hope those kids have good grandparents or someone else that can take care of them because she needs to go to jail. Also, the dude that hit the loss prevention guy needs to be charged as well. You have to be pretty oblivious to not realize who he was based on what he was wearing. Ridiculous.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Once he started chasing them onto the street it was the wrong thing to do. However the people arguing he had no right to physically detain them before that is wrong. It's called shopkeepers privilege depending how the local laws enact it.
The wording of the law tends to state it's okay if it's within a reasonable distance of the store as well so it's not as clear cut as being right outside the doors and you're clear.
Flame Lord
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Sucks but... What the fuck was that dude wearing? Maybe if he had some kind of uniform that showed he was a security guard and not some random dude they may have backed off.... Maybe.
Shamrock7r
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The problem is the emphasis being placed on him leaving the store, almost equating it to everything else wrong in the video. It's night and day. Him leaving the store is wrong because it potentially puts himself in more danger. The women that robbed the store and assaulted the security guy, and the bystanders that also assaulted the security guy are wrong because they caused direct and indirect harm to other people. It's a big difference.
Why?
Beerman462
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He really shouldn't be puting his hands on anyone, because of where it can lead. If the thief is determined to leave you really shouldn't be able to stop them.
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