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[APZonerunner]

Wow, I don't remember that at all, and I really like the Lodger. But then... there's no reason to assume the Silence ship is the same ship, or even related at all... just like the endless corridors re-used time and again don't imply the same location, or the oval office also being the ship bridge in Christmas Carol and the control center of the Tesselecta doesn't mean anything except that they're re-using a set to save on costs. Right?

In Day of the Moon when he first arrives onto the Silence's 'ship', which looks the same as the one from the Lodger, he says "Oh, interesting. Very Aickman Road. I've seen one of these before. Abandoned. I wonder how that happened? Oh, well I suppose I'm about to find out." And then he has them all killed, so, yeah, safe to assume another of the same ships.

The mistake the Silence probably made is a lot of the TARDIS is grown, and is organic, thus isn't built at all. Jack was trying to grow one in Torchwood.

 

[ClivePwned]

My predictions, speculations, etc

We will see what happened to clockwork in a later episode. It's called a setup and we have yet to see the pay off. I'd love to know what actually happened, I just have to wait.

This season Moffat is going to the Doctor have to confront the people who've died because of him. Even if its a plot by Missy there's still that poetic idea that appeals to Moffat so he can then talk about in interviews. Personally, I don't buy the Doctor is a bad man who kills people, who turns his companions into weapons guff. But it's certainly an interesting weapon to use against the Doctor.

Also Missy= Master. It might sound too trite and obvious but the show has always done that. The Master disguised himself as Colonel Masters, Mr Magister (Latin form of Master), Professor Thascales (Greek form) and remember teachers used to be called masters in some UK schools. Also Nyssa's father was named Tremas (an anagram) plus there were several weird pseudonyms for Anthony Ainley in the Radio Times listing so as not to give the game away the fact the Master was appearing. Cheesy, but there's a shit load of precedence.

/prognistication.

 

[Scooter155]

Alright, thanks for the responses - I honestly just remembered wrong.

I don't want to derail too much further but can I just say that it makes no sense at all that the Silence would need to hijack humanity to get them to build a spacesuit when they apparently (almost) have the ability to make a TARDIS, and why would their ship be sitting up in Craig's second story in the 2000s??? Had it been there since the 60s? Why did it need a human mind to fly it if the Silence designed it?? Ugh.

 

[DECK'ARD]

Alright, thanks for the responses - I honestly just remembered wrong.

I don't want to derail too much further but can I just say that it makes no sense at all that the Silence would need to hijack humanity to get them to build a spacesuit when they apparently (almost) have the ability to make a TARDIS, and why would their ship be sitting up in Craig's second story in the 2000s??? Had it been there since the 60s? Why did it need a human mind to fly it if the Silence designed it?? Ugh.

The Silence never made sense.

 

[Ade]

Alright, thanks for the responses - I honestly just remembered wrong.

I don't want to derail too much further but can I just say that it makes no sense at all that the Silence would need to hijack humanity to get them to build a spacesuit when they apparently (almost) have the ability to make a TARDIS, and why would their ship be sitting up in Craig's second story in the 2000s??? Had it been there since the 60s? Why did it need a human mind to fly it if the Silence designed it?? Ugh.

Considering the Silence had also "travelled backwards down the doctors timeline" and "blown up the tardis causing the cracks in the first place" it makes even less sense.

 

[DECK'ARD]

The best thing to do about The Silence is just forget about them

 

[Scooter155]

My predictions, speculations, etc

We will see what happened to clockwork in a later episode. It's called a setup and we have yet to see the pay off. I'd love to know what actually happened, I just have to wait.

This season Moffat is going to the Doctor have to confront the people who've died because of him. Even if its a plot by Missy there's still that poetic idea that appeals to Moffat so he can then talk about in interviews. Personally, I don't buy the Doctor is a bad man who kills people, who turns his companions into weapons guff. But it's certainly an interesting weapon to use against the Doctor.

Also Missy= Master. It might sound too trite and obvious but the show has always done that. The Master disguised himself as Colonel Masters, Mr Magister (Latin form of Master), Professor Thascales (Greek form) and remember teachers used to be called masters in some UK schools. Also Nyssa's father was named Tremas (an anagram) plus there were several weird pseudonyms for Anthony Ainley in the Radio Times listing so as not to give the game away the fact the Master was appearing. Cheesy, but there's a shit load of precedence.

/prognistication.

And the slightly less subtle but no less ridiculous "YANA" in Nu Who, proves they're not above using silly names to hint at the Master's return.

 

[Blader]

Alright, thanks for the responses - I honestly just remembered wrong.

I don't want to derail too much further but can I just say that it makes no sense at all that the Silence would need to hijack humanity to get them to build a spacesuit when they apparently (almost) have the ability to make a TARDIS, and why would their ship be sitting up in Craig's second story in the 2000s??? Had it been there since the 60s? Why did it need a human mind to fly it if the Silence designed it?? Ugh.

The suit wasn't for them to travel through space, it was for raising/creating River.

I forgot that it needed a human pilot though. Just occurred to me, maybe the ship was meant for River to fly in too?

 

[GreatEdmondo]

Apparently a scene's been cut from Robot of Sherwood due to recent events.

Spoiler

A scene near the climax features a decapitation, and was cut due to the beheading of those journalists in Iraq

 

[Exterminieren]

My random speculation for the Missy arc- "Heaven" is some repository for faces and personalities used by the Time Lords. When individuals die, a template is taken, which may be used by Time Lords in their regeneration. This is how the Doctor can have the same face as Caecilius.

Missy is the Master, having got her way into this store of faces- maybe having died in the aftermath of the Time War.

 

[sturmdogg]

The mistake the Silence probably made is a lot of the TARDIS is grown, and is organic, thus isn't built at all. Jack was trying to grow one in Torchwood.

So how was the Doctor able to build a makeshift TARDIS with Sexy?

 

[Ade]

So how was the Doctor able to build a makeshift TARDIS with Sexy?

Probably because it was made of parts of grown tardises and because she breathed on it?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

My random speculation for the Missy arc- "Heaven" is some repository for faces and personalities used by the Time Lords. When individuals die, a template is taken, which may be used by Time Lords in their regeneration. This is how the Doctor can have the same face as Caecilius.

Missy is the Master, having got her way into this store of faces- maybe having died in the aftermath of the Time War.

You. I like you. I like this.

I'm rolling with this until something in an upcoming episode knocks it out of the running.

I also wonder, looking at the titles, if the last four episodes are going to essentially be one big serial arc.

 

[sturmdogg]

Probably because it was made of parts of grown tardises and because she breathed on it?

So the TARDIS is an organic, living being. The Doctor puts together a makeshift TARDIS made of dead TARDIS parts (essentially a Frankenstein monster), then Sexy gives it life by breathing on it? Is that correct?

 

[Blader]

My random speculation for the Missy arc- "Heaven" is some repository for faces and personalities used by the Time Lords. When individuals die, a template is taken, which may be used by Time Lords in their regeneration. This is how the Doctor can have the same face as Caecilius.

Missy is the Master, having got her way into this store of faces- maybe having died in the aftermath of the Time War.

Hmm. So maybe Missy is actually a face of the Master that's held onto its own self-awareness somehow?

Damn you. Now I'll be disappointed when this isn't what happens.

 

[The Technomancer]

I like it too! But then, I thought Clara's resolution was pretty good, a lot more solid than, for instance, the Impossible Astronaut. The Astronaut wasn't even impossible, just slightly improbable! It's weird that Clara would knowingly sacrifice her life to save 11, which resulted in her seeing every single incarnation he'd ever go through (excluding Capaldi and future doctors, presumably) and still be weirded out by him regenerating now. She was ready to leave him at the end of Deep Breath, that seems super out of character!

To be fair, on a textual level the reality of the Impossible Girl is pretty nifty. Its just that like every bit of execution in every minute of that episode was bungled :/

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Not exactly a pun, but doesn't it mean Thirteen in French or something?

Thirteen in French is "treize". For a French person hearing the name "Trenzalore", the word "treize" really doesn't come to mind at all.

Have we even seen another 'real' Tardis in New Who? There's the Silence one but that's suggested to be an attempt to build a knockoff tardis, and there's bits of wrecked Tardisses in House's pocket dimension, but that's all I can think of.

We saw some in The Name of the Doctor when Hartnell and Susan flee Gallifrey.

 

[A-V-B]

Apparently a scene's been cut from Robot of Sherwood due to recent events.

Spoiler

A scene near the climax features a decapitation, and was cut due to the beheading of those journalists in Iraq

Unless it's an execution, I'm not sure...

 

[infiniteloop]

My random speculation for the Missy arc- "Heaven" is some repository for faces and personalities used by the Time Lords. When individuals die, a template is taken, which may be used by Time Lords in their regeneration. This is how the Doctor can have the same face as Caecilius.

Missy is the Master, having got her way into this store of faces- maybe having died in the aftermath of the Time War.

Great, now I'm going to be disappointed when this isn't the actual plot.

Although, (Not really a spoiler as it was released by the BBC)

Spoiler

Missy was announced as "The Gatekeeper of the Nethersphere". So it seems like this "heaven" area is the nethersphere. I don't think she's the master but i like the idea about faces and time lords.

 

[Ade]

So the TARDIS is an organic, living being. The Doctor puts together a makeshift TARDIS made of dead TARDIS parts (essentially a Frankenstein monster), then Sexy gives it life by breathing on it? Is that correct?

Pretty much.

Sounds terrifying when you put it like that.

 

[mightynine]

We actually heard the Papal Mainframe speak? I obviously need to watch the Trenzalore stuff again. I though the mainframe was just the ship Lem and the Church was on - though maybe it did speak and I just don't remember it.

Is there any other reason to suspect the Papal Mainframe computer somehow becomes the Library computer? That seems like a stretch unless someone can point to something (and I'm so confused about where all the Church of Silence crap falls in various timelines that I have no idea anymore).

Yes, when one of the Marines is sacrificed at Demon's Run.

As for your second question, I should be clear in that my theory is just a little tongue-in-cheek - I don't really have anything else to back it up.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Most of the TARDIS is non-organic. It's mostly just the TARDIS matrix that's alive, right?

They're kind of like Daleks in that sense. The whole thing is a Dalek but the only living part is the squishy inside.

 

[paradox121]

I still think the whole Missy Mystery is just a massive bait and switch and that the real mystery is who else she has in her repository of dead people that sacrificed themselves for the Doctor.

Exterminieren's theory is pretty rad though.

 

[Fireblend]

Another thing, I wonder whether Missy is just another inhabitant of "heaven", having been driven mad as she's been there the longest. "Heaven" is obviously strongly linked to the Doctor as it seems only people related to him end up there, so she could have been forced to experience the Doctor's life for a long time, hence her madness and thinking the Doctor is her boyfriend, which ties into the idea that she might interpret the dead people as gifts from the Doctor. She might call it "heaven" since that's where she thinks she is.

 

[Philippo]

Does anyone have a gif of Clara covering her mouth when the Doctor asks her why is she smiling? That was like a whole new level of cuteness.

 

[M.Bluth]

Seems marginally possible and super cool, but as far as I know Dr. Who has never taken a stance on confirming or denying real life religions (though the Doctor himself seems pretty dismissive of humanity's ideas of a "God"), so having an actual heaven/hell that timelords go to when they die might be ... discordant.

Of course it won't be the Abrahamic religions' idea of heaven. It'll be a bit like the Daemons, some alien space thingy that might have inspired humanity.

But then again, the idea of another TARDIS pulling people is interesting. Although wouldn't the Doctor's TARDIS detect it?

 

[infiniteloop]

Another thing, I wonder whether Missy is just another inhabitant of "heaven", having been driven mad as she's been there the longest.

First Doctor bludgeoned her with a rock.

 

[davidcotton]

Nethersphere = Matrix?

 

[Mudcrab]

Gonna go ahead and say it's The Rani.

Think about it, her return has been on-going joke for years so no one would actually expect it. The Missy=Master thing is a total red herring baiting us into thinking the wrong Time Lord is making a return to the show. She has a TARDIS so she could create the heaven landscape and save people just like the Doctor did with Journey, plus she has an established interest in preventing the return of the Time Lords.



Haha, just kidding it'll be the Papal Mainframe with a cameo from River Song because that's exactly how Moffat would end the series.

 

[Fireblend]

Haha, just kidding it'll be the Papal Mainframe with a cameo from River Song because that's exactly how Moffat would end the series.

Right after revealing that Clara was Tasha Lem all along, right?

 

[Boem]

I still think it'll be a new character. If they ever did bring back the Rani, an actress like this would probably be the perfect way to do it, but I don't think so. There are interesting things you could do with the character, but I never really encountered anyone who would call themselves a fan of the character. Apart from Sylvester McCoy himself that is, but that's only because he really likes talking about that one scene where he played the spoons on her boobs.

 

[davidcotton]

Gonna go ahead and say it's The Rani.

Think about it, her return has been on-going joke for years so no one would actually expect it. The Missy=Master thing is a total red herring baiting us into thinking the wrong Time Lord is making a return to the show. She has a TARDIS so she could create the heaven landscape and save people just like the Doctor did with Journey, plus she has an established interest in preventing the return of the Time Lords.



Haha, just kidding it'll be the Papal Mainframe with a cameo from River Song because that's exactly how Moffat would end the series.

I still think it'll be a new character. If they ever did bring back the Rani, an actress like this would probably be the perfect way to do it, but I don't think so. There are interesting things you could do with the character, but I never really encountered anyone who would call themselves a fan of the character. Apart from Sylvester McCoy himself that is, but that's only because he really likes talking about that one scene where he played the spoons on her boobs.

Big Finish have already recast the Rani with Siobhan Redmond. Coming later this year. Whether the BBC would case another Rani in the same amount of time, who knows...

 

[mclem]

Thirteen in French is "treize". For a French person hearing the name "Trenzalore", the word "treize" really doesn't come to mind at all.

I wonder if people are confusing it with Toclafane (Approximately "Trick the fan")?

 

[APZonerunner]

So how was the Doctor able to build a makeshift TARDIS with Sexy?

Well, that was frankensteined from parts from 'dead' TARDIS units.The Frankenstein analogy fits the living being thing.

 

[CloudyTuba]

I think it's very heavily implied that the clockwork jumped out of his own volition, the Doctor's line immediately preceding it being essentially a confirmation. Something like "Of course we know one of us is lying about our programming" implying the clockwork was lying about his programming preventing him from hurting himself, meaning he in fact could jump out to his death.

Also I love that people are already grumbling about the logic and using terms like "plot hole" for something we have literally know knowledge of at all

Into the Dalek made it seem to me that the robot jumped on its own as you suggest.
Ep 1: Did the robot sacrifice itself or get killed? Goes to "Heaven."
Ep 2: Girl sacrifices herself. Goes to "Heaven."

A bit too early to be calling it a "trend" but if it continues, it will all be people who sacrificed themselves per the Doctor's instruction.
Obviously this will be coming back to bite him. Why would Missy be getting together a group of these people? Probably revenge of some sort. She probably sacrificed herself for the Doctor at some point.

So assuming for the sake of conversation that she is not an original character but a returning one (because if she is new then there's nothing to talk about), then who sacrificed themselves for the Doctor and might be bitter about it?

Two possibilities come to mind. River and The Master. Personally I think they are done with River and turning her into a villain at this point would taint the character, so that just leaves the Master. He stopped Rassilon and saved the 10th Doctor in The End of Time. His fate is uncertain but it's generally assumed (and quite likely) that it didn't go well for him.

So if it must be a returning character, I'm going for The Master. He (she?) has been all the chatter since before the series even started, and at this point it makes the most sense to me.

 

[Slowdive]

Apparently a scene's been cut from Robot of Sherwood due to recent events.

Spoiler

A scene near the climax features a decapitation, and was cut due to the beheading of those journalists in Iraq

I'm not quite sure how they're going to edit this out without it looking obvious.

 

[ClivePwned]

It sort of depends on the context of the scene, It'll probably be okay. Hopefully they'll restore that scene for disc release.

Considering that elderly woman who was murdered today in London was decapitated, I think they had no choice.

That said you should have seen what the ABC in Australia used to do Doctor Who in the 70's and 80's in order to show it before 7pm. The Australian version of Caves of Androzani episode 4 was about 18 minutes long. I had no idea so many characters died until it was later released on video.

 

[Cowlick]

My random speculation for the Missy arc- "Heaven" is some repository for faces and personalities used by the Time Lords. When individuals die, a template is taken, which may be used by Time Lords in their regeneration. This is how the Doctor can have the same face as Caecilius.

Missy is the Master, having got her way into this store of faces- maybe having died in the aftermath of the Time War.

But Caecilius didn't die - the Doctor saved him.

As for Missy, random speculation time: she's a corrupted version of the Master, saved into the Library computer ('Heaven') at the moment of his battle against Rassilon. Missy is building an army of sacrificed souls to use against the Doctor on the outside, perhaps even turning every single Doctor-related death - all of which have been saved to the Library all this time - against him.

 

[Ovek]

I want Missy to be a previous unseen companion gone mad after she sacrificed her self to save the Doctor, her "boyfriend". It's better and darker than the Master returning... again.

 

[Toxi]

I want Missy to be a previous unseen companion gone mad after she sacrificed her self to save the Doctor, her "boyfriend". It's better and darker than the Master returning... again.

So Missy is

Spoiler

Adric.

 

[Valravn]

Didn't the first doctor drop a companion off on a planet and never returned?

 

[Future Foundation]

I want Missy to be a previous unseen companion gone mad after she sacrificed her self to save the Doctor, her "boyfriend". It's better and darker than the Master returning... again.

Ehhh, I dunno. That feels dark for the sake of "being dark".

We haven't seen the Master since what, 2010? It's a decent length of time to have him (or in this case, "her") back on the show.

This is, of course, if Missy is the Master/Mistress.

Didn't the first doctor drop a companion off on a planet and never returned?

Wasn't that his granddaughter?

 

[Exterminieren]

But Caecilius didn't die - the Doctor saved him.

He did die... Eventually.

 

[Valravn]

Wasn't that his granddaughter?

Arkytior, or better known as Susan Foreman.
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/happy-birthday-carole-ann-ford-50398.htm

 

[Robin64]

Was the name Arkytior ever used in the show? (Ie, how canon is it)

 

[Valravn]

I dont think so.
The name was revealed in a short story that was published in a Doctor Who magazine.

 

[JoeM86]

Tomorrow's episode is apparently being censored

Spoiler

Doctor Who will edit this Saturday's (September 6) episode 'Robot of Sherwood' to remove a beheading scene in the wake of the executions of two journalists.

The BBC has opted to edit a Doctor Who scene featuring a battle between Robin Hood (Tom Riley) and Sheriff of Nottingham (Ben Miller), reports BBC News.

"In light of recent news events, we have made an edit to episode three out of respect," a BBC spokesperson said.

'Robot of Sherwood' was filmed in Fforest Fawr and Caerphilly Castle in Wales earlier in the year.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s7/d...eading-scene-after-journalist-executions.html

I understand why they're doing it, but I dislike the concept of censorship in general. Hope the BluRay contains the uncensored version. Considering it's pre-watershed, I doubt it'd be graphic enough to cause offence. Outlets like the Daily Mail would just rip into the BBC if they had kept it, though.

 

[danielcw]

What will international broadcasters do?

 

[iMax]

But Caecilius didn't die - the Doctor saved him.

As for Missy, random speculation time: she's a corrupted version of the Master, saved into the Library computer ('Heaven') at the moment of his battle against Rassilon. Missy is building an army of sacrificed souls to use against the Doctor on the outside, perhaps even turning every single Doctor-related death - all of which have been saved to the Library all this time - against him.

Everybody dies someday.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

Finally caught up. So, when is the Doctor getting a new screwdriver?