and what a coincidence. Dugin, Strelkov and the other Rebel Leader just happens to be meeting together this week in Russia at Putins "holy site" where he goes for so called advice
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and what a coincidence. Dugin, Strelkov and the other Rebel Leader just happens to be meeting together this week in Russia at Putins "holy site" where he goes for so called advice
CHEEZMO
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Which one - the neo-Nazi or the Russian ultranationalist?
Some apparently psychological operations on the outskirts of Mariupol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040GewYVIjw
Some sources are saying pro-Russian / Russian forces will begin to attack the city proper over the next 24 hours.
Some sources are saying pro-Russian / Russian forces will begin to attack the city proper over the next 24 hours.
mercenar1e
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that's pretty damn scary... are the Ukrainian military in the city?
Army is there and civilian defense groups are forming. Going to be a really bad situation if the attack occurs. Supposedly there might be a ceasefire signed tomorrow but that doesn't mean much the last time Ukraine agreed they were repaid with non stop attacks
Yes, and volunteer fighters. Would be very ugly if there is a full-scale attack on the city.
Donetsk Morgue Overrun with Civilian Casualties: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 74) >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zL0DASemXo >> Shows the shelling of Donetsk by the Ukrainian military
Russian Roulette (Dispatch 73) was also posted earlier today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoudRmZpesA (very graphic)
Shows a Ukrainian armored convoy that was caught in either a shelling or an air strike. A dozen vehicles destroyed, many casualties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoudRmZpesA (very graphic)
Shows a Ukrainian armored convoy that was caught in either a shelling or an air strike. A dozen vehicles destroyed, many casualties.
Even with this I'm not ready to discount the possibility of a ceasefire. If anything this may actually be Russia's way of ensuring Ukraine will be even more desperate for peace.
Phoenix
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This is going to be very very bad.
Its very worrisome because if there is one nation that has not advanced beyond WWII tactics it is Russia. They sweep in and leave nothing in their wake.
A military watcher who has been tracking movements has seen a large buildup of attack choppers near the Crimean Border. That along side the troop and armor buildup he predicts they will make a move on Kherson soon.
Russia is also said to have 20,000 Troops in Transinistria which borders near Odessa. So they could easily get a major chunk of the country quickly and outside of some sporadic violence these areas basically have been conflict free
NYCmetsfan
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this is europe in the 21st century
mercenar1e
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so far we have seen no mercy given to Ukrainian soldiers and volunteers but the civilians on the ground seems to be doing quite well under the current circumstance.
whatever77
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If europe can't put together an effective defense against Russia, it will prove itself not a top tier politcal and financial organization to compete with the top tier world powers, including the weaning Russia power.
Mariupol defenders have apparently pushed back the attempt on the city and are now shelling the pulled back russian forces.
In other news Finland and Sweden both signed Host Nation support agreements with NATO enabling both countries to host NATO troops if the need arises. Significant step as both are considered Neutral though recent actions have begun pushing them in the NATO direction.
2016 NATO Summit announced to be held in Poland
In other news Finland and Sweden both signed Host Nation support agreements with NATO enabling both countries to host NATO troops if the need arises. Significant step as both are considered Neutral though recent actions have begun pushing them in the NATO direction.
2016 NATO Summit announced to be held in Poland
Please, give a link to the source of your information. It's like you're posting from your Battlefield 4 game session.
yes sir Russian troll sir
I'm not a troll. I'm posting in the "News thread". When I'm posting something I always provide a link to the place where I got the news from. And now, I asked for a link to the news about "Mariupol defenders ...shelling the pulled back russian forces". Because I cannot find this information myself. So, is it that hard to copy-past a WEB-link?
MisterFalcon
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What is the source for the US bombing Indonesia in 1958 ? (Globalresearch.ca is not a source, just a pile of pro-Russian propaganda)
You can play pile on the junior but he has a point. If the source is some dude on twitter then say so.
pants
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Having read this thread quite a bit, antonz sources most of his stuff from the Euromaidan PR account on twitter
Ok thanks but Euromaiden is almost as bad as RT when it comes to propaganda concerning its own country.
SymbiantXenos
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Truce agreement supposedly signed between Ukraine and the rebels (cough cough russian military)
News just coming in now.
News just coming in now.
I confirm. Russian reliable news source RBK says a ceasefire starts from 6p.m. MSK time at Friday (05 Sep.)
So, a border officer was kidnapped at gunpoint with the aid of smoke grenades and signal jammeers and taken across the border from Estonia to Russia. Might be unrelated but not likely. Also, can't be good. All over the local news but no English link yet.
Edit: Link: http://news.err.ee/v/main_news/b5a7a5ab-f300-4ef2-8d4a-7f21941c53ef A counterintellingece officer, actually.
Edit: Link: http://news.err.ee/v/main_news/b5a7a5ab-f300-4ef2-8d4a-7f21941c53ef A counterintellingece officer, actually.
This sounds more like mafia related kidnapping
@poroshenko (current President of Ukraine) twitted about a "preliminarily" ceasefire agreement signed in Minsk.
Official statement by Poroshenko on his official web-site (Google translate no ENG version available only RU and UA):
Official statement by Poroshenko on his official web-site (Google translate no ENG version available only RU and UA):
Yep its time for another frozen conflict. There will be a ceasefire which will have the odd break in it but nothing major as they slowly work through the fine details of a settlement. It'll be fudged to hell and back as they always are. As things stabalise the sanctions will be lifted bit by bit and we'll end up with something similar to south ossettia. A frozen conflict that will flair up when Putin sees his poll numbers drop.
Veritigo_X
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So awesome. He says he has no sway with the rebels but is able to start peace talks. Really something else.
SymbiantXenos
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Just seen on twitter a feq journalists have been invited to a press conference by the DNR next tuesday. The subject is how the Ukraine forces are breaking the ceasefire.
It's 12 minutes old.
It's 12 minutes old.
While the rebels not getting stomped is obviously better for Russia than if they were, I'm not sure this really counts as a win for them. It's more like the best outcome they could scrape together considering the circumstances, but not the one they actually wanted.
Keep in mind that this time last year Russia still had high hopes that Ukraine would join their free trade organization as a key partner, one that would transform it from the current "Russia and its protectorates" to something a bit more credible. Russia felt that if that could be accomplished Ukraine could be turned into a reliable ally that would help secure its western border, similar to what Belarus has been for years.
All of that's gone. The only thing they got out of this is that they get to keep the Sevastopol naval base. Except now it's basically within shooting distance of a hostile nation. If having to keep Crimea is actually worth it probably depends on who you ask. It's obvious that the Russian people have an immense sentimental attachment to the peninsula but from a strategic perspective it's not that useful outside of Sevastopol itself, it will take untold billions to bring the place up to even Russian standards, let alone turn it into some kind of profit maker.
As for the "DPR" and "LNR", they bring very little to the table. Especially in the sorry state they are after the civil war. They provide a buffer and a distraction for Ukraine and just happen to have had some military industry that Russia could absorb to use for something. As long as they stand they will also most likely block Ukraine from being able to join NATO. And that's not even touching on the burnt relations with the EU, a suffering economy due to that fact and an EU that just got reminded that they and Russia don't see eye to eye and that many issues and that Russia is prepared to settle differences through force if need be.
All in all the "DPR", "LNR" and Crimea make up a rather pitiful consolation price compared to having all of Ukraine in the Russian camp. So from a purely economic and military perspective, Russia has won precious little in comparison to what they had planned to gain and might actually have emerged comparatively weaker if they can't restore their economy and the EU decides to re-arm. Still, the Russians might not care. This is a moral victory for them. As they see it, they've saved Russians in Ukraine from a genocide perpetrated by fascists, they stood strong in the face of imperialist westerners attempting to bully them into submission and they've retaken their rightful place as one of the great powers in the world.
If the average Russian will still feels this was a few years from now is anyone's guess. History is written by the victors, but few things stay won forever.
BuggyDClown
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How serious is this?
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/5/6110037/estonia-russia-officer-kidnapped
Sounds bad.
Why the fuck is this kind of stuff going on.
http://www.vox.com/2014/9/5/6110037/estonia-russia-officer-kidnapped
Sounds bad.
Why the fuck is this kind of stuff going on.
Either it's Russia stepping up their provocation game or that agent accidentally stepped over the border (lol)
They're sending a message doing this just after Obama left Estonia. We'll probably have more info tomorrow since the Estonian government heads were at the NATO conference.
Russia is turning into a bloody COD game!
https://twitter.com/IlvesToomas/status/507980939696537601
Just back from KAPO. Confirmed that abduction occurred in the course of cross border corruption investigation. Documented. On Estonian soil.
It's not like NATO would risk an open conflict with Russia over such incidents, Putin knows this well and is prepared use these shenanigans to create further division.
And that will send an alarming message to the Baltic region, this was clearly a conscious move just as Obama visited and made a speech how "every NATO country will be protected".
So the response was having a member of their security intelligence services captured. There is also the chance that this was just an isolated case, someone investigating corruption being offed by Russian mobsters. The timing is just.....
Yeah, this is Russia calling NATO's bluff.
If NATO does something drastic, they are warmongering savages.
If they do nothing, their authority crumbles (a bit).
Either case, Putin wins.
http://society.lb.ua/accidents/2014/09/05/278503_ukrainskih_voennih_okolo_debaltsevo.html
Soldier in the 25th brigade (Ukraine army, Debaltseve) is saying that they are being surrounded by close to 50 tanks and several rocket launchers. They are requesting air support, otherwise they will surrender.
Soldier in the 25th brigade (Ukraine army, Debaltseve) is saying that they are being surrounded by close to 50 tanks and several rocket launchers. They are requesting air support, otherwise they will surrender.
Take anything you read with a massive pinch of salt. There was a report one hour ago about Donetsk airport being shelled. Turned out to be crap. Social media really is the shittiest thing ever for news.
This is true of course, lots of unverified stories going around.
My rule of thumb is now that if it isn't on the BBC then its likely bullshit.
A video of Pro/Russian troops, and some of the very modern equipment they are using:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJt284GRkvk
Video also showing what looks to be the alleged dead journalist Andrey Stenin, being very much alive. According to RT he was captured and murdered by the Ukrainian army over a month ago.
Maybe it would be wise of him not to go home to Russia again, as him being alive is not part of the plan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJt284GRkvk
Video also showing what looks to be the alleged dead journalist Andrey Stenin, being very much alive. According to RT he was captured and murdered by the Ukrainian army over a month ago.
Maybe it would be wise of him not to go home to Russia again, as him being alive is not part of the plan.
I can't read the video description, but it does include the date of July 25th, which - if it does denote the date of recording - would be well over a month ago.
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