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[TheChits]

Still pumped to try Sonic.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Year of Luigi let's go
https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508368589947432961

That'll be fun to watch

 

[chaosblade]

If Marth is that bad I can't imagine how terrible Lucina is going to be since she doesn't have tippers. Lucina won't be able to KO for anything.

 

[ffdgh]

Pease sakurai....please have given peach reliable kill potential outside of crown slap...

 

[Dragoshi1]

Anyone know how much the Eshop version for Japan is gonna cost?

 

[Tathanen]

Look how long he's sitting on the ground doing absolutely nothing.

Good!

Landing lag exists for a reason. Moves that are super fast AND super powerful are just overpowered nonsense. The risk/reward for any super-powerful move needs to be there, you shouldn't be able to just bust out knees willy nilly with no risk. If you whif one, you gotta pay the price.

Bad landing lag on EVERYTHING is just no fun, sure, but on the most powerful moves? Absolutely, lag that shit up. The situation as described seems to me to be the best possible setup, really.

 

[Ryce]

I found descriptions of Mii Fighter’s Final Smashes:

Mii Brawler: Transcendent Final Rush - Launch the opponents with an uppercut and follow up with a furious combo.

Mii Swordfighter: Final Edge - Unleash countless shockwaves from your sword.

 

[Revven]

Apparently Marth's counter has kept its ability/potential to KO from the E3 build.

I heard Marth's counter is a KO move now. Did you try it at all?

it is amazing. Best part about him now.

https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508373318060494848

So... he got that apparently...

And Sonic's Usmash can only really potentially KO at around 130%, he said.

Can Sonic kill with U-Smash well?

not really, at about 130% maybe

https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508373424860061696

So that kind of conflicts with what Zipzo said but it also could depend on the characters they're playing against, you know. So if they were fighting someone like Bowser, 130% probably wouldn't be early enough to KO Bowser vertically with a Usmash but it might be enough to KO Mario or someone lighter than Bowser.

We'll see, I suppose. Usmash being *potentially* useful this time around would at least be better than how it was in Brawl for Sonic.

Edit: He feels that Zelda is bad but MK is "balanced" this time around. Early overall impressions of characters with demos like this aren't completely worthwhile in terms of how the characters will turn out in a year from now (*cough* EARLY IKE IMPRESSIONS FOR BRAWL *cough*) but this could be reflective of low level stuff which would apply to casual play, at least. So it doesn't hurt to post this, too, I guess. Take it for what you will.

they balanced meta knight, but some characters like zelda are sooo bad

https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508374724414808064

 

[Mr. Nice_Guy]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTYpKlIc_fg

Wow that is well done. Not aware of the original context in which DLC was brought up here, but for Smash I wouldn't mind DLC, because it looks like we will be getting boat loads of content already. And there isn't a bunch of "pre-order now for DLC characters available at launch" crap I hate seeing in fighting games now.

 

[OricWindstar]

Marth having to rely on his counter to KO would be really interesting. Will be interesting to see if more counters are potential kill moves.

 

[The Great Gonzales]

I mean, Galacta Knight already does that.

Wow, I'd forgotten just how short that spear is. Heck, I'd forgotten about Galacta Knight period - I was thinking of a more traditional spear like Bandana Dee's. You're right, GK's spear would look fine in place of MK's sword.

 

[IntelliHeath]

It won't. We found out gems were bullshit very quickly in SFxT using this method.
The same can be done with smash.

I think we already knew that Gem were not going to work out ever since they announced the concept of Gem.

 

[Jawmuncher]

I keep going back and forth on Xenoblade.
I'll do really good and then boom a wall. Have to mess around then I finally get past the tough section.
This just keep repeating back and forth. I've been really enjoying it aside from that.

 

[Berordn]

Wow, I'd forgotten just how short that spear is. Heck, I'd forgotten about Galacta Knight period - I was thinking of a more traditional spear like Bandana Dee's. You're right, GK's spear would look fine in place of MK's sword.

Yeah, I'm just confused that they'd go through the trouble to make true Galacta Knight costume and then not go the extra mile to give him his lance.

Maybe they didn't want to do it if they couldn't have a shield too? Who knows.

 

[Spinosaurus]

That Sonic info clashes with Zipzo's. (And Espy's E3 impressions as well, though that was the E3 build)

 

[Drago]

Anyone know how much the Eshop version for Japan is gonna cost?

5616 yen (3DS)

 

[SuperSah]

Anybody else here but me who played on an OG model?

 

[Shadow Hog]

YES. I love that little jingle. Isn't it a Mother 1 reference?

No, Mother 2/Earthbound. Both have an "Eight Melodies", but it's based on the one from the game Ness came from.

Smash 64/Melee use EB's Eight Melodies, while Brawl uses Mother's Eight Melodies for both Ness and Lucas.

I love all of 'em, really, but I hope we get a new one...

I'd always considered it to be a faster-paced version of the title screen music from Mother [1] (specifically, starting around 1:01. I suppose it does match up with the "Love is the power, love is the glory" part of the "Eight Melodies", though...

You should really be posting the alt text when you post BitF comics, dude; don't deprive people of the second punchline! (That'd be

Spoiler

''Oh great, and now there's been a blackout…''

, in this case.)

Shrulk

ಠ_ಠ

 

[Not75Drops]

I found descriptions of Mii Fighter’s Final Smashes:

So Mii Brawler is just another variant of Great Aether?

 

[Dragoshi1]

5616 yen (3DS)

Sweet. Gonna buy it a few days later than release while I wait for my new JP 3DS to show up, can't wait!

 

[ffdgh]

Anybody else here but me who played on an OG model?

You mean for smash 4 next month? Yeah Team aqua blue master race!

 

[Kouriozan]

Sad for Zelda, as her own unique character she needed a small buff.

 

[Revven]

That Sonic info clashes with Zipzo's. (And Espy's E3 impressions as well, though that was the E3 build)

Like I said, it could be who they're facing against and also the stage they played the characters on that could be producing these differences of opinion (and, as you said, could also be something they changed from the E3 build). Though, it is a general good idea to have some minor skepticism on something like how well a move KOs because of the many factors you have to account for in Smash (blastzone size, where you were on the stage vs the blastzone, DIability, %age, weight, and fall speed etc. etc.)

 

[IntelliHeath]

I found descriptions of Mii Fighter’s Final Smashes:

SMASH WENT ANIME NOW!

Yeah, I had a feeling that Tales Studio is the team that came up with movesets for Mii Fighters; Mainly Mii Brawler and Mii SwordFighter.

 

[Spinluck]

I was KOing people with Sonic's F-tilt and pulling some stylish combos with Sonic around the time of the E3 demo. Did they really nerf to be worse than Brawl Sonic? Lol.

Must be revenge for Sonic Boom.

 

[SuperSah]

You mean for smash 4 next month? Yeah Team aqua blue master race!

How does screen size concern you?

 

[Ahnez]

Yeah, I'm just confused that they'd go through the trouble to make true Galacta Knight costume and then not go the extra mile to give him his lance.

Maybe they didn't want to do it if they couldn't have a shield too? Who knows.

Galacta Knight has the potential to be a MK clone too bad he is not that relevant in the Kirby series..

 

[Pikma]

Sonic still can't kill? Fuck off Sakurai ;_;

What? I think that's pretty spot on, Sakurai's just keeping it true to the source material

 

[foxuzamaki]

I keep going back and forth on Xenoblade.
I'll do really good and then boom a wall. Have to mess around then I finally get past the tough section.
This just keep repeating back and forth. I've been really enjoying it aside from that.

Kinda sounds like my first playthrough haha

 

[MrSaturn99]

fox can move out of side b in the air, he doesn't go helpless, up smash is a lot weaker, up air is good again, no jump out of shine

Thoughts, Fox fans?

 

[Revven]

More.

megaman is great for playing defensively, lead shield is slow to pop out, crash bomber has decent knock back and does 8-9%

https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508377437546504192

fox can move out of side b in the air, he doesn't go helpless, up smash is a lot weaker, up air is good again, no jump out of shine

https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508377649056845824

fox feels weaker than brawl, and megaman seems to have to catch you in the air or play the spacing game

https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508377877126316032

And his latest tweet seems to indicate he's going to try Ike and Pac-Man next.

 

[Hyperactivity]

http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2fmn1z/just_got_back_from_smash_4_demo_ill_answer_what/

About the Captain

Up b now goes higher and is straighter. Knee has more power and more landing lag. he seems able to do combos? maybe? I suck as falcon

That's right, we're not getting Brawl knee with that landing lag

About MK

He received quite a few nerfs as far as I can tell. Uair doesn't seem to propel him upward and tornado seemed shorter and with more knock back. Zipzo said he felt slower and hand end lag on his moves.

Characters announcing their attacks

Yea, but not as obnoxiously as in their trailers

About Shulk

Kick. Ass. He has this cool mechanic on his smashes and certain aerials where he throws out the Monado for a hit and then automatically hits them again a second later with the sword's beam. Hard to get used to his mode changing, and he seems easy to punish but I imagine he will be well loved and potentially viable

About Viridi alt

she does, and it's hot

About being blonde for above

Shit, dont remember!

About stages

Honestly I didn't like many of the stages. Gereudo valley was fun tho. I got killed instantly when the bridge repaired with me under it

About lag after throws and possibility of follow-ups

not even lag, you throw them so far even at low percentages that yo can't catch up to them in time. I' sure there are follow-ups I missed tho

About Greninja shiny form

Yes!

About the "too good" characters from E3 demo like ZSS and Kirby

I don't think kirby was ever "too good" but ZSS seemed almost identical. However, we couldn't seem to replicate the air dodge into ground + zair that M2K was talking about so I guess it's a nerf

About Palutena

like a floatier Dedede. Great range on normals!

About new ledge mechanics

actually, a guy (who was a total dick and targeted me for like 10 games) was playing DDD and he popped me off the edge as Robin, putting me directly above him. I then up b'd knocking him off the edge and forcing him into recovery mode while I landed safely on the field

About Megaman

fun! hard to use! up tilt is fantastic

About DDD

over b man, over b. That projectile is stupid good.

About Link's upair

I think it shrinks his hurtbox. It's also stronger

About Nosferatsu

It's bad! But if you land it in a free for all it does good work I managed to string fire into nosferatu on little mac and someone else tho
huge ending lag and it's slow on startup with mediocre range
OH Robin's dash attack was really good. I just need to make a post on each character I tried

 

[foxuzamaki]

I was KOing people with Sonic's F-tilt and pulling some stylish combos with Sonic around the time of the E3 demo. Did they really nerf to be worse than Brawl Sonic? Lol.

Must be revenge for Sonic Boom.

its a conflicting report, chances are one was using a heavier character whle the other wasent

 

[Spinluck]

Sad. Zelda new is Sad.

Anyway, this is one impression, we still have to try for ourselves.

 

[ffdgh]

How does screen size concern you?

It doesn't honestly. Never been bothered by it.

 

[MyBodyisReady]

Yup, see for yourself.

That might not be magicant though, could be dream world from mario and luigi, or a rhythm heaven stage.

 

[Berordn]

Galacta Knight has the potential to be a MK clone too bad he is not that relevant in the Kirby series..

For a character that's not that important, he's been showing up quite a bit. He probably would've been in Triple Deluxe too, had they not decided to

Spoiler

pull out the dimension mirror and give Dark Meta Knight a comeback fight

.

 

[Immaculate]

Virida alt


WAIT WHAT??? FOR WHO?

 

[k_Reign]

Virida alt


WAIT WHAT???

Just colors

 

[Aaronrules380]

Like I said, it could be who they're facing against and also the stage they played the characters on that could be producing these differences of opinion (and, as you said, could also be something they changed from the E3 build). Though, it is a general good idea to have some minor skepticism on something like how well a move KOs because of the many factors you have to account for in Smash (blastzone size, where you were on the stage vs the blastzone, DIability, %age, weight, and fall speed etc. etc.)

Yeah, that's why aside from fundamental mechanics and how a character feels (to an extent since different people have different tastes), everything else is really subject to change since these demos won't allow indepth analysis. Like when it was asked when it got difficult to combo, it'll probably vary considerably based on who you use and who your opponent does, where you are on a stage, what stage you're on, and what moves you used.

 

[Revven]

Mega Man throw combo, possibly? Will depend on DIability and also character, I'm sure, but hey it might be something legit in the end too.

I have found the best megaman combo. Up throw up air up air up b up air is amazing

https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508379196155240449

He's going to try Pac-Man next.

 

[Cody_D165]

That's right, we're not getting Brawl knee with that landing lag

*swoon*

Mega Man throw combo, possibly? Will depend on DIability and also character, I'm sure, but hey it might be something legit in the end too.



https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508379196155240449

He's going to try Pac-Man next.

I wouldn't be surprised. MM's upair has always looked like one of his most solid kill options from the footage we've seen IMO.

 

[Spinluck]

its a conflicting report, chances are one was using a heavier character whle the other wasent

I can see this happening.

 

[SuperSah]

Mega Man throw combo, possibly? Will depend on DIability and also character, I'm sure, but hey it might be something legit in the end too.



https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508379196155240449

He's going to try Pac-Man next.

Playing right now?

 

[Hyperactivity]

Mega Man throw combo, possibly? Will depend on DIability and also character, I'm sure, but hey it might be something legit in the end too.



https://twitter.com/WeinhofferBen/status/508379196155240449

He's going to try Pac-Man next.

Woohoo, go MM

Up-air is the awesome tornado iirc

 

[Ahnez]

For a character that's not that important, he's been showing up quite a bit. He probably would've been in Triple Deluxe too, had they not decided to

Spoiler

pull out the dimension mirror and give Dark Meta Knight a comeback fight

.

Well, maybe he will get his chance next time

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I'm really curious what the Galacta knight alt looks like

I have this suspicion it's his white alt from brawl that people are confusing for galacta knight

 

[Berordn]

I'm really curious what the Galacta knight alt looks like

I have this suspicion it's his white alt from brawl that people are confusing for galacta knight

He had that pink alt too, so I wouldn't be too surprised. We'll see!

 

[K-A-Deman]

What is the issue here exactly? powerful attacks need powerful cooldowns.

Look how beautiful this looks compared to the SSB4 stage select screen. Combine this with the fact that DK, Star Fox, Metroid, Wario, and Yoshi aren't even getting new stages. Unbelievable.

The size of the screen limits how much flair they can add to the selection page. And honestly, if it gets you from characters to fighting, it's a cosmetic at best.

They break up in to teams for things

The idea is that people can meet AKB48 members so they keep expanding to have more shows in different places.

They're also the best example of how awful idol culture in Japan is. People become obsessed with them. The more popular ones are not allowed to have any social lives. One was seen with a man once in public and had to issue a crying video apology where she shaved her head as penance because so much of the audience was angry.

Well that just sounds all kinds of horrible. Have any of them gone totally bonkers like Cyrus or any other young starlets?

 

[PadWarrior]

Can someone ask him to try mario and check his colors?