Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue

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Workers who were witnesses provide new perspective on Michael Brown shooting

there were two outsiders who happened to be working outside at the apartment complex on Aug. 9 — two men from a company in Jefferson County — who heard a single gunshot, looked up from their work and witnessed the shooting.
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First witness account

The worker, who has not previously spoken with reporters, said he did not see what happened at the officer’s car — where Wilson and Brown engaged in an initial struggle and a shot was fired from Wilson’s gun.

His account largely matches those who reported that Wilson chased Brown on foot away from the car after the initial gunshot and fired at least one more shot in the direction of Brown as he was fleeing; that Brown stopped, turned around and put his hands up; and that the officer killed Brown in a barrage of gunfire.

But his account does little to clarify perhaps the most critical moment of the confrontation, on which members of the grand jury in St. Louis County may focus to determine whether the officer was justified in using lethal force: whether Brown moved toward Wilson just before the fatal shots, and if he did, how aggressively.
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Second witness account

The worker interviewed by the Post-Dispatch said he paid attention to little of the conversation. He said he heard Brown tell his co-worker that he had a picture of Jesus on his wall; and the co-worker joked that the devil had a picture of him on the wall.

The co-worker told KTVI that Brown promised to come back and resume their conversation; Brown walked away, and the workers returned to their job.

About a half-hour later, the worker heard a gunshot. Then he saw Brown running away from a police car. Wilson trailed about 10 to 15 feet behind, gun in hand. About 90 feet away from the car, the worker said, Wilson fired another shot at Brown, whose back was turned.

The worker said Brown stumbled and then stopped, put his hands up, turned around and said, “OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.” He said he told investigators from the St. Louis County police and the FBI that because of the stumble, it seemed to him that Brown had been wounded.

Wilson, gun drawn, also stopped about 10 feet in front of Brown, the worker said.

Then Brown moved, the worker said. “He’s kind of walking back toward the cop.” He said Brown’s hands were still up.

Wilson began backing up as he fired, the worker said.

After the third shot, Brown’s hands started going down, and he moved about 25 feet toward Wilson, who kept backing away and firing. The worker said he could not tell from where he watched — about 50 feet away — if Brown’s motion toward Wilson after the shots was “a stumble to the ground” or “OK, I’m going to get you, you’re already shooting me.”
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The co-worker in the KTVI interview said he “starting hearing pops and when I look over … I seen somebody staggering and running. And when he finally caught himself he threw his hands up and started screaming, ‘OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.’”

He said the officer “didn’t say, ‘Get on the ground.’ He didn’t say anything. At first his gun was down and then he … got about 8 to 10 feet away from him … I heard six, seven shots … it seemed like seven. Then he put his gun down. That’s when Michael stumbled forward. I’d say about 25 feet or so and then fell right on his face.”

No witness has ever publicly claimed that Brown charged at Wilson. The worker interviewed by the Post-Dispatch disputed claims by Wilson’s defenders that Brown was running full speed at the officer.

“I don’t know if he was going after him or if he was falling down to die,” he said. “It wasn’t a bull rush.”
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Every new witness account just infuriates me more when I consider the killer hasn't officially reported his version of events.
 
CrimsonCommie said:
Matches all other eyewitness accounts. Should be an easy first degree murder conviction.
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would be easy if all parties involved were white. Don't hold your breath yet, fuckery may still rear its ugly head. If Officer Wilson doesn't get at least a decade in jail if convicted.... man.
 
YoungHav said:
would be easy if all parties involved were white. Don't hold your breath yet, fuckery may still rear its ugly head. If Officer Wilson doesn't get at least a decade in jail if convicted.... man.
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Yeah I know. That's why I said "should." There needs to be a special prosecutor in this case.
 
Coins said:
It's only going to take a couple of witnesses to say as such to get the grand jury to toss this. The Post Dispatch has reported they have a few.
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source?
 
Wow go to Shaun Kings twitter. There is a video of two construction workers moments after the shooting that say he had his hands in the air.

I don't care what anyone says. There needs to be a trial. All eye-witness accounts have been virtually the same.
 
Byakuya769 said:
Armed person trying to take another person's gun, then running away.. lol.
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You don't think they'll present something similar to what I just did to muddy the waters?
The question about a fleeing person being shot being legal wont be asked. It will be laced with possibilities.
 
Dead Man said:
Is shooting at an unarmed fleeing person legal?
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In the US? Yes. But many things play into it. An officer can shoot an kill an unarmed fleeing person if they can harm or are going to harm someone.The person must also have committed a felony and the officer is trying to apprehend the suspect. It's called the fleeing felon rule. The only thing an officer needs to prove the suspect is going to harm someone is probably cause.

If you committed a misdemeanor, non-lethal force is the norm.
 
Nothing that Wilson has been telling his buddies has made any goddamn sense, nor does it line up with what the witnesses saw. Brown supposedly reached into the police cruiser for a gun [huh?], even though the witnesses say his hands remained outside the car the entire time. He supposedly charged full speed at Wilson after being shot at [wtf?], even though the witnesses all say he was surrendering with his hands up. This should be an open and shut case, but unfortunately, the PD has been actively tainting the jury pool with unrelated bullshit (store footage) and waiting forever to get their story straight before filing an actual report of any kind. Thankfully Eric Holder isn't taking this sitting down.
 
freddy said:
You don't think they'll present something similar to what I just did to muddy the waters?
The question about a fleeing person being shot being legal wont be asked. It will be laced with possibilities.
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I'm not laughing at you, I think that will probably be the line they tow. It's just incredible how some dumb shit like that can actually work.
 
Dali said:
Every new witness account just infuriates me more when I consider the killer hasn't officially reported his version of events.
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That's cause the police force is all about covering their own ass. I'm sure that Darren Wilson is being coached by lawyers and police "specialists" before releasing any statement. They look at all the evidence/witnesses and concoct a report that will appear to justify his actions.
 
I'm interested to see how people react when Wilson gets cleared.

Indicate said:
Baton Rouge cop resigns after he’s caught texting desire to ‘pull a Ferguson’ on ‘n*ggers’

Text:

"They are nothing but a bunch of monkeys. The only reason they have this job is the nigger, nigger in them. I wish someone would pull a Ferguson on them and take them out! I hate looking at those African monkeys at work. And I enjoy arresting those thugs with their saggy pants..."
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#YouAlreadyKnow

Also, make a separate thread.
 
The sad truth is that if there is any moment "we don't know about", the defense will fill that moment with their own story enough to get the cop off. The line will be "we just don't know what happened prior to the shooting".
 
freddy said:
Not sure.

But:


Not sure either.
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TheJLC said:
In the US? Yes. But many things play into it. An officer can shoot an kill an unarmed fleeing person if they can harm or are going to harm someone.The person must also have committed a felony and the officer is trying to apprehend the suspect. It's called the fleeing felon rule. The only thing an officer needs to prove the suspect is going to harm someone is probably cause.

If you committed a misdemeanor, non-lethal force is the norm.
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Damn, really? That seems way open to abuse and very dangerous.
 
watershed said:
The sad truth is that if there is any moment "we don't know about", the defense will fill that moment with their own story enough to get the cop off. The line will be "we just don't know what happened prior to the shooting".
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Maybe . . . however, I think the key moment is after Brown had his hands up. That is something people witnessed.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ec6ffe-339b-11e4-8f02-03c644b2d7d0_story.html
The St. Louis County prosecutor’s office is taking an unusual approach with grand jury members who are weighing evidence against the police officer who shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown last month, experts and county officials said.

Instead of telling grand jury members what charges they believe police officer Darren Wilson should face, they are leaving it open-ended for now and involving the grand jury as co-investigators.

The prosecutor’s office is also presenting evidence to the grand jury as soon as it receives it, rather than waiting until the St. Louis County Police Department and the FBI have completed their investigations. Police probes are typically completed before a case is presented to a grand jury, county officials said.

As a result, jurors in the Wilson case are hearing from every eyewitness, seeing every telling photo, viewing every relevant video, and reviewing all DNA, ballistics and other test results from county and FBI labs, said Ed Magee, a spokesman for county prosecutor Robert McCulloch. They will hear testimony from Dorian Johnson, the friend who was with Brown when he died, but it is unclear yet whether they will hear testimony from Wilson.

“Normally they hear from a detective or a main witness or two. That’s it,” Magee said. “This gives us an opportunity to present all of the evidence to jurors who represent St. Louis County. They will make the decision.”

Susan W. McGraugh, a criminal-defense lawyer and a professor at the Saint Louis University School of Law, said that the approach is allowed under the law and that prosecutors sometimes use it in high-profile cases.

“The prosecutor may want cover, which they can get by sharing the responsibility with the grand jury,” McGraugh said. “So when the public reacts to what does or does not happen, they can go back to the fact that the grand jury played a large role in the decision. They can say, ‘We let these jurors, who are your peers, hear what witnesses had to say. This was their decision.’ ”
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benjipwns said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ec6ffe-339b-11e4-8f02-03c644b2d7d0_story.html
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I hope they get to listen to the two white guys that just came forward after fearing they'd lose their jobs if testifying.
 
There was a city council meeting tonight, I guess? My twitter started getting a bunch of info. Sounds like the City Council didn't respond to anything that was said, and stated they would have a town hall sometime later.

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timetokill said:
There was a city council meeting tonight, I guess? My twitter started getting a bunch of info. Sounds like the City Council didn't respond to anything that was said, and stated they would have a town hall sometime later.

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"Be respectful." What the hell kind of answer is that?
 
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