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[MHWilliams]

Ah yes, but 99% of us don't lend our voices (or more importantly, our vote) when those things do happen. My point was that when those more insidious (but ultimately more harmful) things happen, there is little to no reaction from the nation as a collective. We go for scandal sugar, instead of analyzing the more complex underlying issues.

Okay, but your premise is, "these bad things happen, so we should ignore this bad thing." That's a faulty premise as best.

Again, Ray Rice is not in jail. Ray Rice is not dead. Ray Rice, for all intents and purposes, has been fired from his job. It happens. But unlike many who lose their jobs, Ray Rice is in a position where he should have enough cash to live comfortably and decide what he wants to do with his life next.

That is not a travesty.

 

[Bacon]

The guy holds a high profile job in America. He is a role model for millions of people, like it or not. He isn't being hung in the center square, he is losing his high profile, lucrative job. He will have plenty of chances to rehabilitate and turn his life around but he doesn't deserve to hold a job that has such a bright spotlight on him.

 

[PopeReal]

Why are you assuming she's staying with her partner out of fear? Why can't you just take her at her word? How is it not relevant that she would like to maintain her husband's earning power? It would certainly be more relevant if he were making 40K a year instead of six figures. Do you not understand that when you throw a family member in jail that destroys the family's ability to continue as a whole unit? This man had no prior run-ins with the law, and has not had any apparent incidents of violence since. For that, he should lose his job entirely? Again, this would be much more prescient to people if he were a middle class person.

Indeed. My thoughts exactly.

Frankly, Ray Rice is a scapegoat. Yes, he shouldn't have hit his wife. He was wrong. But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). Everytime a high profile case emerges, people suddenly want to become deontologists. All the while the leaders of this nation kill thousands of innocent people in the Middle East with our weapons. When Roger Sterling says racist shit on tape, everybody wants to scream about racism, all the while tolerating racist redistricting and voting laws. Nobody wants to throw those politicians out of office immediately. Yet Ray Rice gets called "human refuse." American politics is so delightfully curious and fickle. Perhaps that's why the masses are so easily manipulated. Have fun agreeing with one another.

Holy shit.

The reaction to a man knocking his wife out irritates you.

But you are political science major who understands things.

What.

 

[Bacon]

Holy shit.

The reaction to a man knocking his wife out irritates you.

But you are political science major who understands things.

What.

Yup, this post is legendary. Making an argument against no one and acting superior because of it.

 

[elrechazado]

Yup, this post is legendary. Making an argument against no one and acting superior because of it.

I nominate the political science degree holder as the new "Japanese culture expert" meme on gaf. Now we have one for gaming side and OT.

 

[AdventureRacing]

How would it have you barred from nursing? If no charges are pressed you wouldn't even have a record. That's irrelevant tho. So you think all players ever involved in domestic abuse deserve to be banned for life? That's rational to you? If you really think that's acceptable you're a horrible person.

I don't see a situation where i wouldn't be charged for something like that. It depends on the level of domestic violence. If you KO your fiancee like that and then drag her unconscious body and basically leave her for dead, then yeah a life punishment is more than fair. In general though, yes i think professional sports should take a zero tolerance stance on this issue. Maybe not an instant life ban for any but certainly it should be a pretty severe ban.

What he did was wrong. It should NOT ruin his life. People get less punishment for driving drunk and endangering the lives of EVERYONE on the road. But because domestic violence is a sensitive subject it deserves the death penalty?! There are many things players do off the field that aren't morally right and deserve punishment. Banning him for life over a 1st offense is foolish. If there were repeat offenses and he had a history of abusing women then yea throw him out of the league.

Who the fuck is arguing for the death penalty? This isn't ruining his life either, he can get himself another job that isn't being a high profile NFL player. This whole 1st offense thing is bullshit. Just because it's the first time you've done something doesn't make it any better. Like if you murder someone you're still guilty of murder. This isn't just some minor offense, the woman in this incident is lucky to be alive after that attack.

Also as far as i'm concerned that whole press conference where he sat by and pressured his wife into taking the blame is a whole other incident from the initial abuse.

Goodell and the NFL covering things up is nothing new.

Again, it's just my guess that both of them, not just Rice, wish things were back to normal. In other words, I don't think Rice has abused his wife outside this incident. I don't think she's afraid of him. So far it looks like they were in a heated argument with each other and Rice got out of control. But people seem to wanna believe there's more to it than that.

The punishment is fine. But so far I see a guy that fucked up royally more than I see an irredeemable scumbag. If nothing else comes of this incident, Rice should get the same 2nd chance that Vick got in about a year's time.

That's a pretty big fuck up. Lashing out and hitting someone is one thing, dragging their motionless body and then just leaving them there is another (this was his fiancee he just left there). Also the whole incident with the press conference tells me that he is a scumbag.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I nominate the political science degree holder as the new "Japanese culture expert" meme on gaf. Now we have one for gaming side and OT.

You just can't see the pure logic from Political Science Degree Man (tm).

 

[GameGuru59]

Okay, but your premise is, "these bad things happen, so we should ignore this bad thing." That's a faulty premise as best.

I didn't say ignore it. In a previous post I said he should be rehabilitated. I said Ray Rice is a scapegoat. I'm saying his punishment should not be suspension from the NFL. I don't think legal troubles should necessarily bar you from working in ANY job, especially if it's your first offense because such punishments usually just serve to make crime worse. Zero tolerance policies and jail sentences lack the nuance to deal with the complexities of life. There are always exceptions to the rule.

Also I think its basically unfair to him because the punishment is being delivered due to public outrage. Perhaps if the NFL had this zero tolerance stance prior to the public outrage, I would be less sympathetic. However, he is being scapegoated, I think that's undeniable.

I should also note, that I don't see this issue with the same level of gravity that the rest of you seem to. It was wrong for Ray Rice to hit his wife, but its something that people tend to do when they get angry. He's not a crazed killer. People get into fights everyday in this country. That doesn't mean I condone violence, but I don't find the video shocking either.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I should also note, that I don't see this issue with the same level of gravity that the rest of you seem to. It was wrong for Ray Rice to hit his wife, but its something that people tend to do when they get angry. He's not a crazed killer. People get into fights everyday in this country. That doesn't mean I condone violence, but I don't find the video shocking either.

Finally, the other side speaks out: Is abusive violence actually a big deal?

 

[GameGuru59]

"my arguments are better than yours because I have a math/CS degree and therefore have perfect logic"

I like how I never said that, but you all keep finding ways to imply that I did. It's okay though. I know you're upset that I don't agree with you.

Finally, the other side speaks out: Is abusive violence actually a big deal?

It is a problem among many that this nation must confront. The reasons for why it tends to occur so frequently (or why we're a violent nation generally) are far deeper than this one scandal.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I like how I never said that, but you all keep finding ways to imply that I did. It's okay though. I know you're upset that I don't agree with you.

You got a political science degree and never even learned how to read. I was noting my annoyance with CS and math majors who throw their degrees around to bolster their arguments too as your inanity reminded me of this bad trend on GAF. Perhaps my changing of the post will work out better for the thread if full of political science majors.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I should also note, that I don't see this issue with the same level of gravity that the rest of you seem to. It was wrong for Ray Rice to hit his wife, but its something that people tend to do when they get angry. He's not a crazed killer. People get into fights everyday in this country. That doesn't mean I condone violence, but I don't find the video shocking either.

Get off of GAF Roger, you should be meeting with your lawyers, not posting here.

 

[MHWilliams]

I didn't say ignore it. In a previous post I said he should be rehabilitated. I said Ray Rice is a scapegoat. I'm saying his punishment should not be suspension from the NFL. I don't think legal troubles should necessarily bar you from working in ANY job, especially if it's your first offense because such punishments usually just serve to make crime worse. Zero tolerance policies and jail sentences lack the nuance to deal with the complexities of life. There are always exceptions to the rule.

Also I think its basically unfair to him because the punishment is being delivered due to public outrage. Perhaps if the NFL had this zero tolerance stance prior to the public outrage, I would be less sympathetic. However, he is being scapegoated, I think that's undeniable.

I should also note, that I don't see this issue with the same level of gravity that the rest of you seem to. It was wrong for Ray Rice to hit his wife, but its something that people tend to do when they get angry. He's not a crazed killer. People get into fights everyday in this country. That doesn't mean I condone violence, but I don't find the video shocking either.

Most of the US has at-will employment, meaning the average person tends to lose their job over almost nothing anyways. To turn it around and use a previous argument, why are you worrying about Ray Rice, when you can worry about all of those people who have lost their jobs due to at-will employment? Note: If you lose your job at McDonald's, you're probably not working for Mcdonald's again.

A crazed killer would go to jail. Ray Rice lost his job.

And yes, I wish the NFL had a zero tolerance policy.

 

[Zaphod]

It was wrong for Ray Rice to hit his wife, but its something that people tend to do when they get angry.

How often do you hit your wife when you get angry? You know since it's just a thing people tend to do and all.

 

[Bacon]

I actually also hold a Political Science degree, and I remember a lot of my classmates having a similar condescending attitude as mr political science degree guy. Shit was infuriating.

 

[GameGuru59]

Most of the US has at-will employment, meaning the average person tends to lose their job over almost nothing anyways.

Oh trust me, I think that's wrong too.

How often do you hit your wife when you get angry? You know since it's just a thing people tend to do and all.

I've never hit a woman, and I've only been in two fights. I know people who are more violent however, and have some sympathy for them because of the circumstances that led to them being violent. I imagine most of you have less?

 

[AdventureRacing]

I didn't say ignore it. In a previous post I said he should be rehabilitated. I said Ray Rice is a scapegoat. I'm saying his punishment should not be suspension from the NFL. I don't think legal troubles should necessarily bar you from working in ANY job, especially if it's your first offense because such punishments usually just serve to make crime worse. Zero tolerance policies and jail sentences lack the nuance to deal with the complexities of life. There are always exceptions to the rule.

He isn't being barred from working in any job, he is being barred from the NFL. He is getting rehab and will be able to get other jobs. What exactly are you complaining about?

I should also note, that I don't see this issue with the same level of gravity that the rest of you seem to. It was wrong for Ray Rice to hit his wife, but its something that people tend to do when they get angry. He's not a crazed killer. People get into fights everyday in this country. That doesn't mean I condone violence, but I don't find the video shocking either.

Wow. This is a man who KO'd his wife, dragged her motionless body and then just left her there. She's lucky to be alive. You think this is a common thing for people to do when they get angry? This isn't just getting into a fight, god damn.

He also didn't just lash out at her, after the incident he just left her there. This is his fiancee for fucks sake. Then after the fact he pressure her into taking the blame for the incident and lied about what really happened.

I've never hit a woman, and I've only been in two fights. I know people who are more violent however, and have some sympathy for them because of the circumstances that led to them being violent. I imagine most of you have less?

Getting into a fight with some guy at the pub? It's wrong but i can deal with it. Getting into a fight playing a physical sport? Again it's not right but i can accept it. Hell maybe even lashing out and hitting someone if they're aggravating you i can see, it's a horrible thing to do but i can at least understand it.

In this case we have no evidence that she has done anything to provoke this attack. This is a huge hulk of a man KO'ing his tiny wife and then just leaving her there potentially for dead. Then after the fact lying about what happened and pressuring her into taking responsibility. I can't think of any circumstance that would make any of this ok.

 

[elrechazado]

I actually also hold a Political Science degree, and I remember a lot of my classmates having a similar condescending attitude as mr political science degree guy. Shit was infuriating.

Did they condone domestic violence under a thinly veiled cover of pretension and faux intellectualism too?

 

[Pattycakes]

But the reaction to this irritates me as a Political Science degree holder (though I understand why its happening). .

And in one sentence you my award for shit post of the year.

EDIT: One thing I'll say about this whole thing is that I've lost any taste for watching NFL until Goodell is gone. I'll go watch the NCAAF. If TMZ has evidence, which they claim to have, that the NFL saw the elevator video, Goodell has to go. He should go anyway. He's at this point a black eye to the entire league and should be fired immediately. Also that Atlantic City prosecutor should be put under investigation and charged if they covered up evidence.

 

[AdventureRacing]

And in one sentence you my award for shit post of the year.

I feel this sentence just slightly tops it.

It was wrong for Ray Rice to hit his wife, but its something that people tend to do when they get angry.

 

[Zaphod]

I've never hit a woman, and I've only been in two fights. I know people who are more violent however, and have some sympathy for them because of the circumstances that led to them being violent. I imagine most of you have less?

My level of sympathy has nothing to do with your claim that hitting a partner is just one of those things an angry person does.

It is not what most people do when they are angry. You sure seem hell bent on minimizing domestic violence.

 

[Big-E]

I believe 100% that Goodell and his cronies of incompetency saw the video. The video doesn't really matter at all as Rice was arrested and plead guilty to beating the shit out of her and we had video of him dragging her out. The league had a meeting with him and after that they decided to give the two game so they had all the facts and decided that the two was enough. All this video does now is show the people that thought the 2 was fine that it was in fact not fine and the NFL is trying to back peddle this.

Goodell is a horrible commissioner and has fucked up the league constantly when he has the easiest job in the professional sports world. The NFL, in the current 24 hour news cycle and with the money spent on TV marketing, is the one league that is set up to profit just by being on TV. The NFL doesn't have to work to expand the game, they will make the most money in North America regardless as they never will have to suffer through burnout. So few games means that everyone is watching compared to an early May game of baseball. Look at what Goodell has done outside of shit like TV deals which a monkey could get done and you will see his decisions have been shit. The rule changes that have plagued his reign have been hilarious. His suspension policies, as seen by today's events, are jokes. The documentary that came out about CTEs pretty much confirmed the NFL knows and doesn't really care at all. He talks on and on about international teams which is fucking stupid and makes no sense outside of Toronto, well maybe Toronto doesn't make sense either as players with records would probably not be allowed to cross the border. I hope he falls for what he has said to women about how its ok to punch them in the face if we are sorry about it. Or its ok to have a meeting with a woman who has been assaulted with the assailant present in the room. Goodell is someone who doesn't know shit, got into the NFL because of who he knows and makes rich old men happy. That is all he is good for.

 

[GameGuru59]

My level of sympathy has nothing to do with your claim that hitting a partner is just one of those things an angry person does.

It is not what most people do when they are angry. You sure seem hell bent on minimizing domestic violence.

I'm presenting my own perspective on this specific case of domestic violence. Whether you consider that "minimizing" or not is up to you.

 

[MeBecomingI]

Just saw the CFL is also suspending him...so no CFL team can sign him

They're suspending a guy who has never played in their league?
What about the Arena League? Lingerie League?

They said they will honour the suspension, not that they are suspending him. Unlike a few years ago, suspended players in the NFL can no longer go to Canada to play in the CFL. Contracts are honoured between each league.

It is a good move by the CFL.

 

[Zaphod]

I'm presenting my own perspective on this specific case of domestic violence. Whether you consider that "minimizing" or not is up to you.

Your statement was pretty general and like that you can't even bring yourself to defend it.

 

[cdyhybrid]

And in one sentence you my award for shit post of the year.

EDIT: One thing I'll say about this whole thing is that I've lost any taste for watching NFL until Goodell is gone. I'll go watch the NCAAF. If TMZ has evidence, which they claim to have, that the NFL saw the elevator video, Goodell has to go. He should go anyway. He's at this point a black eye to the entire league and should be fired immediately. Also that Atlantic City prosecutor should be put under investigation and charged if they covered up evidence.

The NCAA just let an institution that covered up a child rapist off easy, so you might want to find another thing to watch.

 

[MuggerMD]

What a crap post, lmao. I'm just quoting this so in case you edit it people can see you suggest others are "deontologists" (WITH A LINK TO WIKIPEDIA) for judging Ray Rice for physically assaulting a woman. I can't.

When I read this post again I thought it might be a parody post. Is it a parody post? I can't tell now.

This is a witch hunt. Did Rice do something horrible? Yes. But are we proposing a 1 strike policy??? Rice has publicly apologized for his actions.

Ray Lewis got on his high horse for comments today. Lets not forget Lewis was involved in the murder of two men. http://http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/10/ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-atlanta-murder-2000/1566198/

Two men dead and Lewis gets a statue in his "honor"

Look at Steve Young's face here, he can see bullshit three miles away; http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11490343

 

[newjeruse]

Something much worse than this will need to happen for Goodell to go. Like concrete evidence of a massive concussion cover-up or something.

 

[GameGuru59]

Your statement was pretty general and like that you can't even bring yourself to defend it.

Well, there are certainly cases worse than others. Like I said previously, if you're habitually violent, then you need to go to jail because you are a danger to society. The case we are discussing is for all we know the first time this has happened with Ray Rice. Everything is a question of degree to me. It 'depends'. I don't believe in zero tolerance for anything.

 

[Jazzy Network]

I fucking hate ESPN. They're the most hypocritical shitty sports network of all time. Fucking so glad I don't watch that shit anymore.

 

[Pattycakes]

I don't believe in zero tolerance for anything.

So you would let the Boston Bomber walk then so long as he didn't do it again. Interesting. Tell me more.

Something much worse than this will need to happen for Goodell to go. Like concrete evidence of a massive concussion cover-up or something.

TMZ claims to have that evidence and will supposedly post it tomorrow.

SOURCE: https://twitter.com/BrodyLogan/status/509104583743135744

 

[GameGuru59]

So you would let the Boston Bomber walk then so long as he didn't do it again. Interesting. Tell me more.

The Boston Bomber is a danger to society. I'm kind of leaning against the death penalty (in all cases) though. That kid that was with the DC Sniper... maybe if he's under 24 hour surveillance. I'd be open to hearing the Boston Bomer's case in 10+ years too.

 

[MuggerMD]

Can someone gif Steve Young in this video specifically the shots around the last:18 seconds. It's really perfect.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11490343

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Can someone gif Steve Young in this video specifically the shots around the last:18 seconds. It's really perfect.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11490343

Steve Young with his arms folded probably just thinking to himself "So whatever happened to that bloody suit, Ray?"

 

[MuggerMD]

Steve Young with his arms folded probably just thinking to himself "So whatever happened to that bloody suit, Ray?"

Exactly. No better definition of body language.

 

[DarkFlow]

Holy shit, Watching Sportscenter and his former Teammates are still defending this asshole.

 

[womfalcs3]

Can someone gif Steve Young in this video specifically the shots around the last:18 seconds. It's really perfect.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11490343

!

Watching that was really uncomfortable. Ray Lewis was panicking as he defended himself.

 

[benjipwns]

No, because bush Iraq Obama Guantanamo drones, therefore we can't punish ray rice until political scientists tell us what to do (they're experts)

I nominate the political science degree holder as the new "Japanese culture expert" meme on gaf. Now we have one for gaming side and OT.

Wait, I have a Poli Sci Masters AND History, does that make me the philosopher king of OT until a PhD shows up? (Or I stumble into one.)

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[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Wait, I have a Poli Sci Masters AND History, does that make me the philosopher king of OT until a PhD shows up? (Or I stumble into one.)

ronpauitshappening.gif

And I'm still trying to get my math and econ undergrad degrees finished . My opinions will be so much more respectable to Political Science Degree Holder Man (tm) then.

 

[DrForester]

Something much worse than this will need to happen for Goodell to go. Like concrete evidence of a massive concussion cover-up or something.

This will be used just like the Donal Sterling thing in the NBA. Rice will be used as the ultimate scapegoat, going down for not only his own issues, but allowing the league to shovel off all blame that they share onto him and try their best to come out looking like the good guys.

 

[BadAss2961]

Can someone gif Steve Young in this video specifically the shots around the last:18 seconds. It's really perfect.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11490343

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Feel bad for that lady. She got knocked out cold. She's probably at risk at home.

And fuck Roger Goodell. Not really sure how he could make a new rule and can't even stick to it. Does he have any idea what he's doing? He's completely incompetent. He fucks up this ruling, after Big Ben's ruling years ago. How did he come up with 2 games? He banned Big Ben with little evidence. Then just overlooks this situation, then remakes the rules...when he has all authority to do this without the new rules...then is forced to accelerate Ray Rice into the 2nd offender's category. Next time....people will wonder why they aren't immediately banned. What's the point of the new rules if you will just ignore them to do whatever you 'feel' is right? His gut feelings fucked this up in the first place. If he gave him an 8 game ban and this probably doesn't mushroom cloud with the 2nd tape. This response is just because the 2nd tape leaked. They don't care about women. They care about women buying pink hats and pink jerseys.

Just a complete clusterfuck in handling the situation. The good of this is that it highlights this problem. But no way the MLB players association lets this go down. Imagine if a baseball player beat the snot out of his wife and gets banned for 80 games.

I'll just assume the reaction to the NFL is mostly due to being the big dog.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Feel bad for that lady. She got knocked out cold. She's probably at risk at home.

And fuck Roger Goodell. Not really sure how he could make a new rule and can't even stick to it. Does he have any idea what he's doing? He's completely incompetent. He fucks up this ruling, after Big Ben's ruling years ago. How did he come up with 2 games? He banned Big Ben with little evidence. Then just overlooks this situation, then remakes the rules...when he has all authority to do this without the new rules...then is forced to accelerate Ray Rice into the 2nd offender's category. Next time....people will wonder why they aren't immediately banned. What's the point of the new rules if you will just ignore them to do whatever you 'feel' is right? His gut feelings fucked this up in the first place. If he gave him an 8 game ban and this probably doesn't mushroom cloud with the 2nd tape. This response is just because the 2nd tape leaked. They don't care about women. They care about women buying pink hats and pink jerseys.

Just a complete clusterfuck in handling the situation. The good of this is that it highlights this problem. But no way the MLB players association lets this go down. Imagine if a baseball player beat the snot out of his wife and gets banned for 80 games.

I'll just assume the reaction to the NFL is mostly due to being the big dog.

Didn't Brett Myers beat the shit out of his wife in public and get no suspension?

 

[xbhaskarx]

Something much worse than this will need to happen for Goodell to go. Like concrete evidence of a massive concussion cover-up or something.

The NFL already did that for decades, see League of Denial

 

[andthebeatgoeson]

Didn't Brett Myers beat the shit out of his wife in public and get no suspension?

In front of other people too. Apparently, Roger Goodell had them all testify together, in front of Brett, that Brett was innocent and a good guy.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Steve Young who has a JD from Brigham Young's Law School is trying to work out exactly how the two instances are nothing alike because the Ravens owner saw the video tape.

 

[demolitio]

I guess Josh Gordon will feel a little bit better now while selling some cars. Either that or it will just aggravate him more knowing the NFL tried to cover this shit up when we all thought the 2 game suspension was laughable in the first place. I just hope he learned his lesson.

I really feel bad for Rice's fiance now. Talk about insult to injury...

 

[Zeus Molecules]

If....

Spoiler

keep in mind I said if

ray rice spends this whole season getting "help" for his anger and making a legitimate attempt to atone publicly for beat his Fiance. Goddell will lift his suspension before training camp.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Don't watch the Ray Rice video. Don't ask why Janay Palmer married him. Ask why anyone would blame a victim

Throughout this six-week public ordeal, Janay Palmer’s pain has been minimalized, her judgment called into question. “Why did she marry him after he beat her?” reverberates around the web and in our minds, an accusation masquerading as a concern. When victims reveal their experiences (or have their experiences revealed by someone else), viewers reach for pre-packaged answers, rather than listen to victims themselves.

It is easier to believe that a woman “provoked” catastrophic violence from a supposedly otherwise peaceful man than it is to come to terms with the fact that a well-liked public figure is abusive. It is easier to conceive Palmer as an accomplice in her own beating than it is to realize that almost half of black women killed by their partners were killed as they tried to leave.

...

But in a world in which one in four women is the victim of intimate partner violence and black women are disproportionately targeted, this victim blaming is not just irresponsible; it is lethal. Black women are punished when attempting to defend themselves: 94% of black female homicide victims are killed by people they know and 64% of those victims are wives, ex-wives or girlfriends of their killers

 

[Zaphod]

Well, there are certainly cases worse than others. Like I said previously, if you're habitually violent, then you need to go to jail because you are a danger to society. The case we are discussing is for all we know the first time this has happened with Ray Rice. Everything is a question of degree to me. It 'depends'. I don't believe in zero tolerance for anything.

I wasn't asking you about Ray Rice, I was asking about, at first a bit rudely, about your idea that it's a natural and common thing for angry people to hit their partners. You sure like to deflect.