Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
- Thread starter Gipsy Danger
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Okay I have. What now?
Don't spout nonsense bullshit you've got absolutely no idea about. Not once have I heard "PC MASTER RACE!!" in a moba match, or PC elitist ramble on how PC is better than consoles.
how many times have you heard misogny racism and homophobia?
no one is gonna shout that in the middle of a match lol why do people think i said that
that's just the type of crowd of ppl there, you see it here even in this thread
hell you see it even in your post...
i play civ v on steam all the time, it's the only genre of game that actually lends itself to gaming on a computer imo
and i find it's full potential isn't found by playing games, it's by using it as a work horse
oh boy
Sanctuary
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What? The PC that you built to outperform a current gen console will always outperform that current gen console. There's no further need to upgrade hardware beyond what you've already done. You just have to decide from the start how much more powerful than a console you want it to be, and it will be for that entire generation. Everything beyond that is a matter of you just wanting more as new tech arrives, not needing it to keep a sizeable edge.
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Ok but everyone else knows they're really pretty and doing impressive looking stuff in games. Unless, again, I'm missing where that's happening on PC for me to get excited about already. And I'll just leave your dismissive contrarian classifications for what they are.
And I play the occasional RTS (I'm not into time consuming stat and inventory RPG's lately, so the last kinda big one I recall loving was Skyrim), but no way am I going call that type of stuff the industry Crown Jewels.
I am more of a single player guy so trading games is part of why I play lots of game. This is impossible on PC. I have 3 comouter at home one is quadcore with amd 6870 and 2 laptops so spending money on another pc is a little hard to justify. I live at three different places in a week so carrying a big pc around is diffcult. Pc games are a lot expensive in my region Saudi Arabia. Also pc parts are also much more expensive and sometimes hard to find. Last but not least I am addicted to dota 2 so if play any game on PC it would be dota. I recently bought a y50 and all I do on it os play dota
nkarafo
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This. The PC is the best platform for backwards compatibility. I'm not talking about buying old games again through GOG. You can play your old games you had in your whole life as a PC gamer, without buying them again. I did this with 99% of my old games ( a couple of games refuse to work still). And you even have free programs like Dos Box, Virtual PC or various official/unofficial patches that help increasing the number of old games that are compatible.
There is steam library sharing, though when a friend or you is using the library only one person can use it at a time. Not like game sharing in real life, buts its getting somewhere atleast.
Kind of similiar to Xbox 1 Family sharing that got scrapped because people moaned about always online DRM. For steam library sharing you have to be both online too, but yeah nobody cares.
DagnastyEp
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As a youth I oscillated between PC and console somewhat frequently. After feeling kinda burned on the short life of the Dreamcast (Happy Birthday DC!), I vowed to give up consoles for good in favor of PC gaming. Got my first serious rig in 2002 (2.0ghz P4, 9700Pro 128MB, 1GB RAM, 200GB HD), and really got into the PC scene. I upgraded and rebuilt over time, but in 2009 when I was facing a total rebuild in order to keep playing the newest games, I decided to go Xbox 360 + laptop instead. I don't think I'll be (fully) returning to PC gaming, at least for some time.
Reason why I switched back to console gaming from PC, and intend to stay that way:
Reason why I switched back to console gaming from PC, and intend to stay that way:
- Cost: Having PC gamed for 7 years, versus console gaming; PC gaming was/is just more expensive.
- Upgrade cycle: I like having a fixed platform, I don't have to worry about upgrading components. My gaming platform will remain viable for several years without need for upgrade
- Couch gaming: While I prefer K+M for FPS, I overall enjoy the couch experience more then sitting in a chair and desk (I know there's big picture now)
- Exclusive games: the consoles are getting a lot of big exclusives that aren't coming to PC.
In your exact words you said
Please explain how that resembles PC elitism.
There's a difference between talking like an homophobic and racist inbred, and "PC Master Race" kids.
I just bought(well, pre-ordered technically) Alien Isolation, Ryse and The Witcher 3 for $40.
Combined.
Atraveller
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That's not entirely true, sure a 8800GTX is more powerful, but it being a DirectX 9 card means I can't play some games released in the last 2 years of the previous generation.
But I doubt any gamer is still using that in 2013.
I have a decent gaming PC but would never use it as a primary platform because:
DRM, don't like digital, physical pc games are basically coasters especially when the OS is out of date, bad ports, late ports (it's 9/9 where's destiny? its been a whole year, where's gta5?), having to fix your games, games are primarily built for consoles so the price isn't worth it to me to play souped up cross gen games, price, don't want to worry about upgrades or spec reqs for every game, lack of compelling exclusives.
DRM, don't like digital, physical pc games are basically coasters especially when the OS is out of date, bad ports, late ports (it's 9/9 where's destiny? its been a whole year, where's gta5?), having to fix your games, games are primarily built for consoles so the price isn't worth it to me to play souped up cross gen games, price, don't want to worry about upgrades or spec reqs for every game, lack of compelling exclusives.
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Knowing console gamers love exclusives like Uncharted 4 and DRIVECLUB and Halo 5 and Destiny, where are the quality PC exclusives that should be getting our attention by rivaling the others we like?
You guys keep mentioning PC exclusives being a thing, but I'm missing out on whether or not you guys have a grip on the audience you're talking to.
You guys keep mentioning PC exclusives being a thing, but I'm missing out on whether or not you guys have a grip on the audience you're talking to.
dont make me repeat why I don't wanna hear someone try to pass off Star Citizen as a rival for consoles to latch onto
Gumbie
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How? Exploiting region pricing?
i find there's a massive overlap between the two demographics
I have been wanting to build a PC for awhile but to be honest the PC thread is incredibly confusing for someone with very little current knowledge of PC hardware, and I know only a few people who game on PC.
I have been very tempted though, especially with all of the CRPGs that are releasing lately...
I have been very tempted though, especially with all of the CRPGs that are releasing lately...
Sentenza
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Why not?
It's an available option.
You'll find whatever you are looking for, trying hard enough.
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How?
itll be probably around the Kingdom Come / Star Citizen launches that I'll really consider pulling the trigger on a PC so I'm hoping you didn't give a BS anecdote that won't help me if I jump on board in 1-2 years
killatopak
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Money doesn't grow on trees.
I find that you have insufficient understanding on what you're trying to discuss. So I'll just go ahead and delete this conversation from my brain.
I think that, after moving the box around after I bought a new TV stand, there might be a cable just brushing up against the fan on the top of the box. I just need to get inside and make sure everything is neat and whatnot.
It is actually very decent on the fan noise side of things. The Frozr 660 pumps air out the side (and is near silent under load) and the top of the thing has a huge fan on the top, which sucks straight from the stock i5 cooler.
I was rather happy with the build, its all I could ever want from a front room box right now. I came from a ridiculous Lian-Li tower.
Yeah but don't have friend who buy games on steam. Don't even have friends who are gamer. Still it would not be as cheap as just speding 5 dollars and get a different game. I rarely replay games so nothing of value is lost.
yongeandcollege
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because I spend all day on a computer at work and the last thing I want to do is deal with PCs at home.
Allforce
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I bought a laptop in 2013 that had some mid-range specs, I thought "Cool I can finally start playing some PC games I never got to before". This is honestly the first computer I've ever owned that has an actual graphics card in it and not some "Intel Integrated Graphics Chip", which was always just garbage for playing anything.
So I've bought some Humble Bundles, done some indie gaming, even played the beta of Titanfall on it while running the screen to my living room television! Great right?
Well not so fast, because while those were successful, other games have been a nightmare. I bought Injustice Gods Among Us for like 22 bucks on the advice of a really great friend who's a HUGE PC game, he assured me it would run great based on my specs. No suck luck, it plays on Low settings at about 10 FPS, its like playing underwater. Gone Home is another game that I was always interested in and plays like I'm in sand.
After being burned like that I stopped buying anything for the PC. I just don't have time to install drivers and fiddle with settings and have to worry about that stuff every time I spend money on a title. I'm sure throwing more money at the problem would fix it (AKA, better hardware), but the fact is I'm sure I'll run into that same wall again at some point.
So I've bought some Humble Bundles, done some indie gaming, even played the beta of Titanfall on it while running the screen to my living room television! Great right?
Well not so fast, because while those were successful, other games have been a nightmare. I bought Injustice Gods Among Us for like 22 bucks on the advice of a really great friend who's a HUGE PC game, he assured me it would run great based on my specs. No suck luck, it plays on Low settings at about 10 FPS, its like playing underwater. Gone Home is another game that I was always interested in and plays like I'm in sand.
After being burned like that I stopped buying anything for the PC. I just don't have time to install drivers and fiddle with settings and have to worry about that stuff every time I spend money on a title. I'm sure throwing more money at the problem would fix it (AKA, better hardware), but the fact is I'm sure I'll run into that same wall again at some point.
AdventureRacing
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You see that same misogny and homophobia on consoles as well. I don't see what that has to do with the master race PC stuff that you were complaining about, your changing your argument now. People don't talk about that shit when they're actually playing games so i don't see how that in any way impacts your enjoyment of said games.
Also as i've said in this thread previously the whole looking down on other users is much more prevalent amongst console users and yet seemingly that doesn't worry you at all.
Guess you'll see exactly what you want to see.
BibiMaghoo
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I do game on PC and have done for years, but this is my 2 cents anyway.
1) Yes, many games have support. But many do not. Others still only have partial support. This is never a problem with a console, and saying that some games do, doesn't reflect the nature of the actual issue, that many people will not be able to play their library without the use of a keyboard and mouse. For those that cannot comfortably do so, either because they cannot adjust or because the physical size of them, it is not a good thing at all. It is a huge negative, that will never be overcome until ALL games have support. Which will never happen, as certain games simply cannot be played with a pad due to input numbers.
2) I can totally empathise with people that say this, even though it doesn't effect me in the same way. Sitting in front of a monitor for long periods can sting the eyes somewhat, and due to the proximity over a television set for most people, will cause discomfort sooner than a console across the room would. This is certainly a minor issue, as it will not effect most people, but I can totally understand it
3) The position of "bad ports run better than on consoles" is utterly mute, because it depends fully on the quality of your build, and the hardware you purchased. If you are talking about high end machines, then yes, they generally will. That however doesn't mitigate a blatant lack of effort with a bad PC port. Something that is more common with a PC version of a console game, than the other way around, because very few PC games barring indies are ported to console, where as a vast amount of console games are ported to PC.
4) A good PC is more expensive, as you say. The only counter to this is that games are almost universally cheaper new than on consoles. That however doesn't mitigate a greater initial investment, depending on what you want, a considerably greater investment.
5) This has always been easy, and so is a non-issue for anyone that spends the time to learn how to do it, all 10 minutes of it. Of all the issues you mention, this is by far the smallest problem. My 14 year old stepson could build a PC if I gave him the parts.
6) This is neither a positive or a negative. Both have exclusives. Both have good exclusives and bad. This is entirely preference.
7) This is valid, even if it is a small issue for a moderate user. As an example, I used catalyst to update my drivers the other day, and it downloaded the installer in Spanish. That resulted in me having to manually search for my drivers. Many in game settings will have no meaning for a new user, as a console gamer (not on Gaf but in general) will have no idea what AF does or even looks like. What is the difference between these AA settings? What do they even do? etc. It adds a level of complexity and a need for understanding that a console gamer does not require. You could leave them alone, but how do you know you are getting the best or correct visuals you can with those settings? Should a PC user then spend time going through each to see what performance they can get? Again, a non-issue on a console, this is decided by the developer instead, for a consistent experience across players.
Both issue 1 and 7 are real, valid reasons a person may be completely put off PC gaming, in my opinion. Other issues are a case of finance or preference, but those two are realities that are problematic for many people.
Sentenza
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This is one of the recurring arguments that make me laugh the most.
"See, guys? There's this SONY branded on the case of the device. So it's totally not like using a computer".
Dictator93
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Where did you get ryse for that price?
Sounds like the games are not using the dedicated GPU and instead the intel chip. Force it in your control panel.
Sanctuary
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Is there a single console game from last gen that used DX10 or DX11?
Right, because Xbox Live and PSN have never had people being misognistic, racist or homophobic. Right.
I do see where this comes from becasue I drink water all day at work so when I get home I just drink soda becasue I have had water all day.
Atraveller
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I don't understand how your post is relevant. BF3 was released back in 2011, and it does not support DX9, people had to upgrade.
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Eh, he didn't in any way I'm comfortable with.
And people wonder why Rockstar and Ubisoft are not jumping all over optimizing their PC releases alongside console releases.
2spooky4me
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Built a gaming PC in 2011.
Bought a PS4/WiiU last year. My PC has been collecting dust ever since. The best games I have ever played have all been exclusively on console (TLOU, Super Mario 3d World, Mario Kart 8, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, etc.).
At this point I doubt I will ever go back to PC gaming. The online is just much more vibrant on consoles, and there is no fear that I will miss out on a game. I don't mind missing the few PC exclusive games there are (none of them interest me either), but I can't imagine having to miss out on console exclusives like Bayonetta 1&2, Zelda U, Uncharted 4, TLOU 2, etc.
I do miss the backward compatibility and cheap Steam games, but I can live without those.
Bought a PS4/WiiU last year. My PC has been collecting dust ever since. The best games I have ever played have all been exclusively on console (TLOU, Super Mario 3d World, Mario Kart 8, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, etc.).
At this point I doubt I will ever go back to PC gaming. The online is just much more vibrant on consoles, and there is no fear that I will miss out on a game. I don't mind missing the few PC exclusive games there are (none of them interest me either), but I can't imagine having to miss out on console exclusives like Bayonetta 1&2, Zelda U, Uncharted 4, TLOU 2, etc.
I do miss the backward compatibility and cheap Steam games, but I can live without those.
Sanctuary
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You are agruing about something entirely other than what you quoted. I said, and I'll repeat myself again: you do not need to upgrade your PC again after your initial build (where you decided on how much stronger you wanted it to be than a console). Nowhere was I talking about PC exclusive titles. Reread the post where you quoted me.
You are talking about keeping a PC generation "up to date", which is pretty much impossible; although the last few years seemed to have been fairly stable in that regard.
Atraveller
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Ubisoft region locks the games, no idea what you are talking about.
BF3 is a PC exclusive title now? Sometimes you have to upgrade even though your hardware is already more powerful, due to the hardware being too old, un-supported.
Ya know what I would have done on console?
Waited a year and bought them used for a similar amount, where the developers wouldn't have gotten a cent.
Gipsy Danger
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Not comfortable with? If developers want to they can easily region lock their games on Steam. But they don't. It's certainly a moral grey area but they have the opportunity to region lock their games to prevent this. I would say it's no different than used games on consoles but at least the developers get some money from cross-region gifting.
I couldnt get my version of vice city to run under win 7.
LiveFromKyoto
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Because in this era of diminishing returns you need that sizeable edge in the first place, then because there aren't PC gens you need to keep up with that curve too. Sorry, but I think a lot of pro-PC people are pretty disingenuous about the amount of money they need to sink into hardware over an average 5 year span to keep a rig worth talking about.
And that's fine, if your average PC game was doing what I wanted aesthetically I'd be right on board with that. I don't think it's a negative that you can push things as far as consumer technology will allow. But as is I can't see spending the money for what would be a glorified Skyrim machine for me.
Yeah pc gaming communities are trash. I've only played tf2 on the same server with the same people for 6 years. I also only played WoW with the same 20 or so people for another 6 years which has moved on to playing other games together (diablo 3 etc). I still play and talk to people i played rtcw with back in 2001. What a terrible place pc communities are. The truth is, you only get out what you put in.
Gipsy Danger
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It won't run on your PS4 either. But a lot of games will still run on Win 7.
Stallion Dan
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Because it sucks for local co-op.
Noisepurge
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Well i was a poor student so i had to just get middle of the road -kind of upgrades.
Consoles run well for 8 years unless you strike bad luck with YLOD/RROD. My launch day PS2 is still working for example. And my point was that they run the latest games with their "built in" compromises.
The comparison i do is "Can you play a game released today, on a 500$ PC bought in 2006 about 30fps, medium settings"
Sorry, I had to
Well yeah not built by me, but actual unmarked hardware. It's really good when you don't have to pay for anything extra, even buying wifi/bluetooth modules separately and getting a matte screen instead of a glossy one. (http://www.notebookguru.de/en/Notebooks/Guru-SUN-V-15-6-inch-config.html)
You must be young then
When i was mainly playing on a PC, you had to, since none of the last years cards supported the new PixelShader or some other doohickey the latest games required/looked like shit without.
Gumbie
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Hard to compare paying less for a used console game and paying less for a brand new day one AAA PC release.
Edit: I don't want to derail the discussion but ultimately you're right it's a moral grey area. I like to support my favorite PC developers (CD Projekt Red)
Gipsy Danger
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Towerfall, Samurai Gunn, Screencheat, Lethal League, Nidhogg, Sportsfriends and Gang Beasts are all either on or coming to the PC.
Steve o 3000
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The vast majority of my friends are on console and I love a bunch of console exclusive games. I've tried PC gaming out a few times. It's just not for me.