You will not find exclusives with the production values of Uncharted or Halo on PC because it doesn't make sense to spend all that money in a game and make it exclusive to one platform if you aren't the platform holder or the platform holder isn't paying you to develop it.
Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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You will not find exclusives with the production values of Uncharted or Halo on PC because it doesn't make sense to spend all that money in a game and make it exclusive to one platform if you aren't the platform holder or the platform holder isn't paying you to develop it.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
And this is the big reason right here. To build a system that will comfortably play all the big 3rd party games at noticeable leaps above the console equivalents requires spending a lot of money. Especially if you want a PC that will put up those numbers past a year.
GTX 770 cost 300$, i5 2500k cost 170$, so i dont know what You are talking about.
And 770 is not mid-range GPU. Mid-range GPUs are ones like 7850 or 750Ti and they cost less than 150$.
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I dont think You really understood Star Citizen commercial and in what state the game and its technology is in currently.
Most would disagree with his performance/cost assessment, myself included.
Gipsy Danger
Member
You don't though. You can happily play any game at 1080p/60fps for around $800-$1000. It's more expensive in Europe mind you.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
GTX 770 can't even run Crysis 3 at 1080p in a 60fps range.
Why would you want to spend $400-500 for a system that is just a bit better than your console?
That is quite a bit of money and second how long will that last you?
My $1400 system lasted me just shy of 2 years. Now its medium settings @ 30 if I want to spare the frame rate. That just isn't worth it to me.
My PC is downstairs in the bedroom while my TV is upstairs in the living room. What's the most practical way for me to play Steam games on the TV? Other than connecting them with a 20 meter long HDMI cable of course >_>
Gipsy Danger
Member
What? Yes it can. Where are you getting this information?
SneakyStephan
Banned
Idk, I feel good that much of the money I pay for a pc exclusive goes to making the game.
You buy destiny and 80 percent of your money to 'support' the developer went into ads instead of making a better game, it's so futile.
When you buy divinity original sin you buy 40 euros worth of game development , taxes and distribution, all useful to the medium and society, while helping ressurect a much loved genre that those AAA publishers wouldn't even look at.
It's so thankless to buy the big AAA console games
I don't get this mentality that PC that plays games exactly like PS4 for example is equal to PS4. No, the other hundreds of upsides still apply making it vastly better choice even in that scenario.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Am I misreading this?
http://media.bestofmicro.com/gtx-770-benchmark,9-H-386549-3.png
The biggest upside and its a huge one is the Steam Sales and just the overall ability to get games for so much cheaper.
But it can run Crysis 3 in 60fps. Just not on Very High, but on High, because those are very demanding settings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y67DeUlmO0c
Sure, its not locked 60fps like Metro games on consoles for example, but most of the time its running in 60hz
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What? I call this bullshit, sorry. Post Your specs.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Steam In-Home Streaming I would say. As long as you have the host PC hooked up wired then it works wonders. And apparently it works with non-steam games if you add them to your Steam library. Although you need another machine of some sort, but any laptop would be fine.
Salty Hippo
Member
I've had disdain for PC gaming all my life until this year, when I decided to build a rig. I don't think I can ever go back to being a console-only gamer.
I feel like for this gen the best combo you can have is PC + Wii U. You have the best first party games and the best experience from thirds. I'll pick up a PS4 and X1 down the road when they have enough exclusives.
I feel like for this gen the best combo you can have is PC + Wii U. You have the best first party games and the best experience from thirds. I'll pick up a PS4 and X1 down the road when they have enough exclusives.
Gipsy Danger
Member
That's on the most maximum of settings. Which for Crysis 3 is quite a stretch. You can easily lower the AA/AF/Texture detail or whatever and get 1080/60 no problem.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
Correct me if I am wrong but with a system like that what can I expect to get out of the W3 or Batman?
High settings at 30?
Medium at 60?
If thats the case that just isn't worth it to me.
This is my argument though why would I get a PC if I can't max this stuff out. It makes no sense for me to add another system unless its giving me a gulf of difference and I have to spend a lot to get that gulf.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Seeing as those games are not out for months it's impossible to tell.
i already started building my PC and its been a fun Journey so far,
Got the Corsair Obsidian 350d Windowed mATX case RM750W psi, Roccat Gaming Mouse, Roccat Isko Gaming Keyboard, ASUS dvd drive, & Corsair h100i CPU cooler now i need to get my 4GB EVGA 770 with ACX Cooler and a few of the other essentials and i'll be set can't wait to join PCGAF until then i'll be playing on my PS4
Got the Corsair Obsidian 350d Windowed mATX case RM750W psi, Roccat Gaming Mouse, Roccat Isko Gaming Keyboard, ASUS dvd drive, & Corsair h100i CPU cooler now i need to get my 4GB EVGA 770 with ACX Cooler and a few of the other essentials and i'll be set can't wait to join PCGAF until then i'll be playing on my PS4
Atraveller
Banned
CD Projekt said W3 is already 1080p 30fps on PS4, with high settings. So I guess it's not a problem.
SSPssp
Member
I like this post. Consoles have certainly gotten much more complicated from the early days of NES and the like. I remember in the Teens React to NES one of the girls said she liked that the controller didn't have so many buttons.
Simple games were fun in the NES days and are still fun now, even if they're on mobile.
Edit: I feel like I have to stick up for my 750 Ti here. Its the best card if you already have a pre-built desktop and don't want any complications. It works in my Dell without any need for a new power-supply or any other upgrade. I just stuck it in the slot and that was it. It runs games better than the XBONE and its allowed me to play a lot of great games. I got it for $135 a few months ago and it goes for less now. So if you have a recent Dell or HP, think about the 750 Ti.
Salty Hippo
Member
High@60.
Minsc
Gold Member
This is probably true imo... I have a list of game recommendations with quotes from members here (it's split over 2 posts currently, character limits). That list is created for the GOG thread, and right now contains games from just GOG. And the list started only this year, so it doesn't even cover GOG's entire catalog (it's not thorough, but a good start, and current to the year).
GOG's entire library of games (which the list covers just a portion of) is just a small subset of what you can find on Steam, and Steam is a small subset of what you can find on PCs... and even PC games are a small subset of what you can actually play on PCs when you include emulation.
Anyway, even with that small list linked above, while there's some titles on consoles/handhelds, there's still such a large and diverse number of games I'd have trouble believing people have no interest in any of them, let alone anything on PCs entirely.
This is a good point too, people who find PCs too complex/expensive/whatever shouldn't be looking down on people who prefer the simplicity and cheapness of gaming on mobile/tablets. Mobile gaming is constantly improving too, with speed unmatched by any other platform I believe.
derExperte
Member
I bought a Vita because I got almost all the games through PS+ and don't care that much if it's mainly indies for PS4 (even though I bought some of them months earlier for PC) so I'm more on the positive side. But we're still far away from the PS3 situation where you got a bunch of AAAs every few weeks, some relatively new, so I think the value of PS+ isn't nearly as good as it once was and a much harder sell right now.
I really can't get over the use of "gravitas" here. This is the new "angular angles." Yes, when I think of a video game with gravitas, I think of a muscle car simulator.
All of this does not detract from your main point, however; yes, if you are heavily focused on AAA production values, then consoles are likely the best choice for you. Many of the multiplatform AAA games will look better on PC, but there are very few exclusives with huge production values.
Two times the performance of console versions in general.
If thats medium 60 or High at 30, its hard to tell, because You dont know what those settings are doing.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
If I could get high at 60 then well that would make me bite.
This is going to be a test though. I really want a gaming PC I just have to see if its worth it.
If the 770 puts up subpar numbers for W3 Ill know that ship has sailed for me.
It's a multitude of things, some of which you mentioned.
The main reason is none of the current games I'm interested in on PC need a monster rig to run. My outdated PC runs Diablo III, WoW, Skyrim, and BF:BC2 just fine on very high settings.
However a few other minor reason are the cost. For a good rig you're looking at around ~1k. Then you have to constantly be dumping money into upgrades to keep up. Also I do work on a computer all day and I prefer to game from a comfy couch. But really, the main reason for me not pulling the trigger on a new PC is no games have came out within the past ~2 years that I want badly enough to justify upgrading my PC.
The main reason is none of the current games I'm interested in on PC need a monster rig to run. My outdated PC runs Diablo III, WoW, Skyrim, and BF:BC2 just fine on very high settings.
However a few other minor reason are the cost. For a good rig you're looking at around ~1k. Then you have to constantly be dumping money into upgrades to keep up. Also I do work on a computer all day and I prefer to game from a comfy couch. But really, the main reason for me not pulling the trigger on a new PC is no games have came out within the past ~2 years that I want badly enough to justify upgrading my PC.
PC gaming can be affordable if you plan ahead, do your research, and upgrade parts over time. Not as cheap as console gaming, but affordable. Like I said above, my current processor is an FM2 slot. I can spend $100-$150 and upgrade to a FM2+ slot motherboard, which will still be compatible with all my components.
I could then jump ship to one of the newer FM2+ APUs when they come out.
It's not going to crunch Crysis 3 at 4k or anything, but the A10 6800k is more than acceptable for most games if you're willing to run it at average settings, and you get a good CPU and GPU for $150 right there. Toss in a FM2+ socket mobo for later upgrading ($90), 8gb RAM ($78), 1 TB HD ($55), Power Supply and Case ($120), and while it's not cheap, it's a damned fine PC for $493.
Randolph Freelander
Member
I haven't bought a gaming-focused PC because I don't want to play games on my PC.
Sanctuary
Member
You're joking with the i5 2500k right? They were amazing...for last gen. A 750 Ti is also a low end bargain card. It's by no means mid-range. The 770 is definitely a mid-range card.
Hmm didn't know this thing exists. But needing to have two computers set up and extra processing power sound like too much work. =P
I think I will stick to playing PC games on the PC monitor. At least for now.
That's a flat lie.
I built a mid-range system about 5 years ago and it was running BF4 on high settings at 1080p/60 FPS.
That's your problem right there, maxing games out is an exercise in insanity. You are buying increasingly expensive hardware to turn on settings that make little difference.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
I feel like it's important to remind everyone for a second that video games are just a hobby. Something that you should do to relax, have fun and that you are not required to take seriously if you don't want to. It's completely fine to not be playing games in the most cutting edge way possible. It's 100% acceptable to act based on feelings that probably don't stand up to rational scrutiny. People fucking hate it when someone else comes up to them and tells them that they're enjoying their hobby wrong because they're not using the best stuff.
By the same token, however, if you've ever found yourself being in an argument where you espoused the superiority of your platform over another on primarily technical grounds, you might want to seriously consider PCs as a future investment, even if you've got some kind of mental roadblock preventing you from picking it up. We regularly have threads where people shit all over the Xbox One because it's playing the same games as PS4, but in 900p instead of 1080p. Mockery of the Wii, WiiU, DS and 3DS on account of their weak hardware wasn't some rare thing. People went on about how the Xbox was superior to the PS2, or how the 360 was superior to the PS3 because of (often very marginal) superiority in multiplatform titles. When Digital Foundry threads happen we get people bordering on mental breakdowns if the power of the PS4 isn't being properly leveraged over the Xbox One. An extreme amount of pleasure seems to be derived from the technical superiority of one console over another. But of course, consoles in general aren't providing the best technical experience. If you care about that kind of thing, wouldn't it be awesome to get an even better one? To enjoy better image quality, higher framerates etc even in games that don't reach the "ideal" of 1080p60fps on consoles?
It's not an either/or proposition. And of course not everyone can afford everything. But if you've been getting a semi-chub while thinking about the technical aspects of these consoles, or if you've ever been angry at "lazy devs" for not delivering a 1080p60fps experience, it might be good to dedicate some time to self-reflection.
By the same token, however, if you've ever found yourself being in an argument where you espoused the superiority of your platform over another on primarily technical grounds, you might want to seriously consider PCs as a future investment, even if you've got some kind of mental roadblock preventing you from picking it up. We regularly have threads where people shit all over the Xbox One because it's playing the same games as PS4, but in 900p instead of 1080p. Mockery of the Wii, WiiU, DS and 3DS on account of their weak hardware wasn't some rare thing. People went on about how the Xbox was superior to the PS2, or how the 360 was superior to the PS3 because of (often very marginal) superiority in multiplatform titles. When Digital Foundry threads happen we get people bordering on mental breakdowns if the power of the PS4 isn't being properly leveraged over the Xbox One. An extreme amount of pleasure seems to be derived from the technical superiority of one console over another. But of course, consoles in general aren't providing the best technical experience. If you care about that kind of thing, wouldn't it be awesome to get an even better one? To enjoy better image quality, higher framerates etc even in games that don't reach the "ideal" of 1080p60fps on consoles?
It's not an either/or proposition. And of course not everyone can afford everything. But if you've been getting a semi-chub while thinking about the technical aspects of these consoles, or if you've ever been angry at "lazy devs" for not delivering a 1080p60fps experience, it might be good to dedicate some time to self-reflection.
a) You had no idea what you were buying and spent money in all the wrong places.
or
b) You overpaid massively for your parts or for your pre-built PC.
or
c) You're lying/massively exaggerating
family_guy
Member
I have a gaming PC but the one thing that pushes me to do more console games are the exclusives and the controller. I prefer Playstation controllers. The 360 controller on PC is tolerable to me at best. Before anyone mentions DS4 it's not natively supported, gives me problems when using bluetooth, and doesn't have appropriate button maps even though I can get used to it. I hate messing around with unstable software.
SneakyStephan
Banned
I agree with all of this
except it needs context:
750ti is low end bargain card indeed, still about as powerful as the low end baragain hd7850 ps4
770 is indeed a midrange gpu , still destroys either of the consoles
i5 2500k is indeed old now, but it's not much slower than a 4670k (30 percent or so)
If you think a 2500k is "amazing for last gen" (so you're trying to say it's shit for current gen), what must you think of a 1.6ghz jaguar? the 2500k is still about 3x more powerful,and has room for another 30 percent overclock.
That 2500k will play anything you throw at it at 60+ fps, the console cpus will not, so it makes you scoffing 'it WAS amazing , for last gen lololol' look really dumb.
It takes so little to outshine these new consoles because they are comparatively so much weaker for their time than the previous gen ones were.
console hardware: so bad it makes currently overpriced midrange hardware look good by proxy!
Sorry to be rude but you're so full of shit.
my 550 euro system from 2009 (5 years old) + 160 euros gpu from 2011 (3 years old), total cost 710 euros still runs most games at a mix of high and medium@60, and the ones it doesn't it still runs at 30-50fps because my cpu is really old and was a budget cpu even back in 2009.
If you spent 1400 dollars in 2012 you'd have a cpu that is 3-4x more powerful than mine and a gpu that is 3-4x better than my little 40nm budget gpu (my little budget gpu that outperforms the xbox one gpu).
Honestly I don't care if people don't want to buy a pc, the only thing that bothers me is the constant misinformation in these threads.
I have extremely bad gaming PC luck. I got a PC for Starcraft 2, and it was BSOD within 5 months (Windows 7, so you know it was a major problem). The motherboard was replaced. It started BSOD ~8 months later, but this time the warranty was up, so I just boxed it. It's just how it always goes for me and PCs.
Salty Hippo
Member
I doubt it will, but even if it does, Nvidia will soon release new cards that are a significant improvement over the 770 and probably won't cost a ton more. The 770 might get a price drop, too. Stay tuned for that.
derExperte
Member
Look at a few benchmarks, the 2500K isn't much slower than even the new six-cores in games when playing with common settings. I could but I see no reason to upgrade right now, one of my best gaming purchases value-wise. Only thing holding me back right now is the GTX660.
I thought most of the stuff in the op, but I finally buikt one last year and I don't regret it one bit.
I can still play last gens games unlike ps4/xbone so im not forced to have two systems set up. Hell I can go further back than just last gen.
Games are cheaper. Both new games at retail and games in sales and bundles.
So many great indie games. Consoles are starting to cherry pick the best but they sometimes get them later and they miss a number of good ones.
Games look better. my pc is modest I would say but its still outperforming ps4. Plus going back to last gens games, they look great at 1080p/60 and max settings.
mouse control - ive always hated dual analogue for fps.
I can still play last gens games unlike ps4/xbone so im not forced to have two systems set up. Hell I can go further back than just last gen.
Games are cheaper. Both new games at retail and games in sales and bundles.
So many great indie games. Consoles are starting to cherry pick the best but they sometimes get them later and they miss a number of good ones.
Games look better. my pc is modest I would say but its still outperforming ps4. Plus going back to last gens games, they look great at 1080p/60 and max settings.
mouse control - ive always hated dual analogue for fps.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
You should just make a thread with this post. It shouldn't be buried in here. It demands a response.
Novan Leon
Banned
Money isn't a significant issue for me these days and I still prefer to play on consoles.
- People always talk about how much cheaper PC gaming is due to the prices on Steam but, when you get older, time becomes a much rarer commodity than money. I honestly have no time (or desire) to play the massive number of cheap games on Steam. Even people with plenty of free time never play all the games they purchase on Steam. If you're purchasing hundreds of games you never play, are you really saving money? Also, PS+ frequently provides high quality games for free.
- I prefer to sit on a couch with a controller than at a desk with a keyboard and mouse. Even if I did use a controller on my PC most games, particularly the competitive multiplayer games, would be nearly impossible to play with a controller and maintain a competitive level of play.
- I work on computers all day and don't want to bother with hardware upgrades, drivers and other issues that hamper PC gaming. I want things to "just work", which is what consoles provide.
- Another reason I prefer consoles is JRPGs, which are woefully under-represented on PC.
Birgitte2004
Member
Remind yourself of that next time you renew your xbox live or ps+ to be able to play multiplayer
If it's saving money you are after you need a pc not a console,
No matter how expensive gpus and cpus get, you save so much on games that it's way cheaper to play on pc, and the more games you buy the bigger the gap between pc and console cost gets.
This isn't something that is up for argument, it's just a fact.
There is nothing to gain by lying about it just to protect your bias.
This is YOUR bias coming through. PC gaming is cheaper if you wait for sales.
Well guess what? Console gaming is ALSO cheaper if you wait for sales.
And Console game sales are not as rare as PC gamers always try to imply. About the same time games are dropping to 30$ on Steam is when they start dropping to about that for console games too.
The only place PC games are really cheaper is years later when the games drop to 10$ or less because Console sales tend to have a floor of about 15$, below that and retailers stop bothering to carry them.
This changes very quickly though.
Today it'll cost you an extra $400 to get somehtign clealry superior to consoles.
In 2 years? Not so much.
I know people like you, and what they do is they end up picking up an upgrade or a new PC mid or late in the generation, when consoles, comparitvely, look like ass.
FriedConsole
Banned
I am chained to PC all day long. I don't need more PC time at home. Used to do nothing but PC gaming until I got a job sitting at a PC all day long. Now I suffer from RSI if I am stuck on a PC longer that 10 hours a day. Gaming on a PC with a controller seems like missing out on the one thing that is good about a PC with all the bad stuff added to it.
Don't miss PC gaming at all as it is mostly just console ports and weird indie games. Most of the good indie games eventually come to my Vita/PS4 so I am good.
I know it is really cool to go PC gaming right now but as someone who likes to think of themselves as cool for not doing what everyone else is doing I feel good about not being one of the sheep.
Don't miss PC gaming at all as it is mostly just console ports and weird indie games. Most of the good indie games eventually come to my Vita/PS4 so I am good.
I know it is really cool to go PC gaming right now but as someone who likes to think of themselves as cool for not doing what everyone else is doing I feel good about not being one of the sheep.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I was following a build on a SC2 forum I think it was team liquids it was something like $1360 total. I will find my receipt and show you the specs because I love how ridiculous all of you guys get with this crap but then you ask for your system and find out oh wait yeah to run that stuff for a long time at high you need to spend about a grand my bad.
Hilarious