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Why haven't you bought a PC yet?
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SneakyStephan
Banned
Good news, if you're building a pc anyhow you are about 100 dollars away from making it a gaming pc (or 30 if you buy an older second hand gpu)
I meant it's a petty way to just dismiss its library, and what it really means is : "I don't want one because I can't be bothered to learn anything about it"
Calling the entire library not interesting enough for you to bother with it (which is silly considering how massive and diverse it is)
Basically acting like a baby who spits out new food (especially if it doesn't come with 50 million dollars of 'here comes the airplane nyaaaaaooooowwww' marketing
)And then out comes the 'I don't like mobas and mmos' usually
If I said this same thing to a console only gamer in a ps3 thread :
"I don't like console centric games (just like with pc centric, what does this even mean? there's dozens of very different genres) and I don't like halo or uncharted anyhow.*
They'd call me an elitist and a troll for pretending console gaming consists of nothing substantial except third person/first person shootbangs and that I only like games if they release on pc, and some would call me ignorant for not being aware that there's totally different types of games on ps3 like bayonetta, DD, journey, disgaea, r&c etc
*Which is another thing I want to mention, there is no one group of pc gamers and pc games.
There are many extremely seperate niches that often don't overlap much if at all.
The 4X and grand strategy crowd are very different people who like very different things than the cs:go and dota one, mmo gamers often don't touch the previous genres either, the I racing crowd with their car seats and track IR and 800 dollar racing wheels don't neccesarily care about natural selection or dirty bomb.
You can't lump them all together and say 'that isn't me'
I agree with everything else you said,you're more than reasonable.
Both of you should stop by the PC thread. The folks in there have to be the most even keeled and helpful community on the net.
Best reason, IMO. Gaming time for me is as much about hanging with pals as much as it is playing games. Not having a community on a gaming platform would be a huge obstacle for me. Hell, if I were being truly honest with myself, this is probably the biggest reason why I continue to play PC and will into the future. Well that, and the low 30 and 60 fps frame rates. Gotta have dat 120.
Google "need a new PC".
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Consoles are more plug and play than PC's, at least to my experience.
I prefer console exclusive games over PC style games.
More Japanese games and Japanese exclusives.
I do not like playing games on a mouse and keyboard.
Having to worry about specifications and upgrading whenever new games come out.
Less glitches and errors to deal with.
I prefer console exclusive games over PC style games.
More Japanese games and Japanese exclusives.
I do not like playing games on a mouse and keyboard.
Having to worry about specifications and upgrading whenever new games come out.
Less glitches and errors to deal with.
Sentenza
Member
I actually don't think it's a very good reason, and I say this as someone who right now has almost all his "gaming friends" as PC gamers.
I'm confident that I would find people to play with regardless of which platform I would buy.
I wouldn't let my friends decide what I'm going to play anyway. If anything, I'm going to be the one making the choice and telling them where they can find me.
But all of my best friends play PC games. It's what has held us all together for 18 years.
I think the first PC I put together was an AMD 386 clone with 5MB of RAM. I've always enjoyed selecting every component myself, and not paying for things I don't need. Been disappointed for years as Intel devoted more and more die space to integrated graphics I had little need for. But that's where the market is going, and if anything, they're actually late to the party.
I'm not short on funds or technical knowledge. That said, I haven't been a PC gamer for the last ten years. Why?
1) I am the only person in my extended circle of family/friends/coworkers with a desktop PC. We all have laptops for work, and almost everyone moved to smartphones and tablets for entertainment. They still game on consoles so at least there's common ground there.
In the early to mid-90s, everyone had a 486 DX2/66Mhz or early Pentium P5 for work, school, entertainment. This was the pure software rendering age so I could easily convince my buddies to pick up a copy MechWarrior 2. Low barrier of entry. Super Mario Kart and Final Fantasy on console, Mechwarrior and Civ2 on PC. Good times.
Then came hardware accelerated 3D a few years later. Alright pals, just add a Voodoo3 or RivaTNT to the family computer and join me in Q3A. Costlier, but they were still willing to go through with it.
Now, they'd have to justify buying an entire desktop PC with whatever game of season was. There's no base to build up from. It's tablets and smartphones, maybe a weak business laptop at best. No go.
2) PC for content creation, console for content consumption. I like to keep it separate and I don't like other people in my home office or playing on the same machine where my financial, plans, photos, and other personal files live. The PS4 is in the living room, have at it. My monitors are calibrated for photo editing so colors are neutral, aspect ratio is 16:10, and the response rate is not great. My last PC build was around $2000, packed with SSDs/HDDs, and won't play modern games at native res. Stuck a low-end DDR3 Radeon 6570 in there, barely above integrated graphics, just because I preferred AMD's drivers to Intel.
Great reasons to completely dismiss PC games? Nope. Good reasons? Eh. It doesn't matter, it's just video games, a hobby. I try to be as open-minded and informed as I can when it comes to things like politics and business. I can live with making a sub-optimal choice when it comes to my fun.
Console games are good enough. I'm okay with good enough. There may or may not be hundreds of amazing games I'm missing on PC, and that's okay. I'm closed minded for my convenience and that's that.
I'm not short on funds or technical knowledge. That said, I haven't been a PC gamer for the last ten years. Why?
1) I am the only person in my extended circle of family/friends/coworkers with a desktop PC. We all have laptops for work, and almost everyone moved to smartphones and tablets for entertainment. They still game on consoles so at least there's common ground there.
In the early to mid-90s, everyone had a 486 DX2/66Mhz or early Pentium P5 for work, school, entertainment. This was the pure software rendering age so I could easily convince my buddies to pick up a copy MechWarrior 2. Low barrier of entry. Super Mario Kart and Final Fantasy on console, Mechwarrior and Civ2 on PC. Good times.
Then came hardware accelerated 3D a few years later. Alright pals, just add a Voodoo3 or RivaTNT to the family computer and join me in Q3A. Costlier, but they were still willing to go through with it.
Now, they'd have to justify buying an entire desktop PC with whatever game of season was. There's no base to build up from. It's tablets and smartphones, maybe a weak business laptop at best. No go.
2) PC for content creation, console for content consumption. I like to keep it separate and I don't like other people in my home office or playing on the same machine where my financial, plans, photos, and other personal files live. The PS4 is in the living room, have at it. My monitors are calibrated for photo editing so colors are neutral, aspect ratio is 16:10, and the response rate is not great. My last PC build was around $2000, packed with SSDs/HDDs, and won't play modern games at native res. Stuck a low-end DDR3 Radeon 6570 in there, barely above integrated graphics, just because I preferred AMD's drivers to Intel.
Great reasons to completely dismiss PC games? Nope. Good reasons? Eh. It doesn't matter, it's just video games, a hobby. I try to be as open-minded and informed as I can when it comes to things like politics and business. I can live with making a sub-optimal choice when it comes to my fun.
Console games are good enough. I'm okay with good enough. There may or may not be hundreds of amazing games I'm missing on PC, and that's okay. I'm closed minded for my convenience and that's that.
You can get Borderlands 2 for like 15 bucks
The Dear Leader
Banned
http://www.maximumpc.com/ibuypower_teases_white_steam_machine_prototype2013
It's got a DVD drive so you should be able to play Destiny no problem.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119629/
But seriously, if form factor is a big thing for you, you might want to look into Steam machines.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Nevermind! 
Except 3D platformers :'(
Gipsy Danger
Member
As a quick aside to the people who think it's too hard to build a PC or you shouldn't have to take the time to learn how that works. Isn't that kind of a super outdated view? I'm of the mindset that everyone should know how to build a computer and know at least basic programming skills in this day and age. It's not different than knowing how change tyres and oil in a car. They are essential life skills that you should definitely know and outright refusing to learn seems a bit strange to me.
Edit:
http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/3d-platformer/
There are others but those are the ones which are tagged. Only one is exclusive I'll give you that but most of them are great regardless.
Edit:
http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/3d-platformer/
There are others but those are the ones which are tagged. Only one is exclusive I'll give you that but most of them are great regardless.
Check Cloudbuilt
That's exactly why I switched from PC to console two years ago.
Do You play one game a year?
I finished 83 games last year and I'm at 44 thus far this year.
Disclaimer: I'm not very well familiar with PC gaming community, so please don't kill me. ;(
I have one, but it's pre-built. I know it's ridiculous to do that, but I'm not very well versed into PC building.
Right now, I want to upgrade my pre-built PC, but there's two obstacles: One, should I upgrade the GPU or should I upgrade the other components as well?
Two, yes, laugh all you want, it's money. But let me explain, I live in the UAE. A dollar is worth a 3.67 . If I wanna buy... say a 300$/400$ GPU, that amounts to 1101/1470 and that sounds expensive as hell as far as I'm concerned.
Besides, I'm trying not to burn all the money I have as I use them for my life luxuries.
I have one, but it's pre-built. I know it's ridiculous to do that, but I'm not very well versed into PC building.
Right now, I want to upgrade my pre-built PC, but there's two obstacles: One, should I upgrade the GPU or should I upgrade the other components as well?
Two, yes, laugh all you want, it's money. But let me explain, I live in the UAE. A dollar is worth a 3.67 . If I wanna buy... say a 300$/400$ GPU, that amounts to 1101/1470 and that sounds expensive as hell as far as I'm concerned.
Besides, I'm trying not to burn all the money I have as I use them for my life luxuries.
So Your math regarding cost of gaming on platforms is completely wrong.
There is no way, that with so many bought titles You could go cheaper with any console.
dirtywhirlwind
Member
I was mostly a console exclusive guy from birth until 2011 when the Xbox 360 game scene really started to stagnate. Moved to PC and never looked back. While the initial hardware might have been a tad expensive the Steam community have been nice enough to pay for almost all of my gaming needs since the trading cards were introduced. We're talking about 400+ free money, making my total investment seem pretty modest.
Because I don't want to be tempted with upgrading. Don't have the money. I don't even want to be bothered that my friend bought more RAM or a better graphics card or a better processor or new OS or new keyboard. I spent $400 on a PS4 and won't pay for any other upgrade for about 6 years. Could you do the same (read: not be tempted) with your PC?
Any multiplatform game that uses a controller is better for me on ps4 due to remote play.
I'd rather play a game at a lower resolution than give up remote play which is how I sneak in 50%+ of my ps4 gaming in.
The only games I miss out on I catch 3 years late for a dollar on steam on my piece of shit PC in my office.
I'd rather play a game at a lower resolution than give up remote play which is how I sneak in 50%+ of my ps4 gaming in.
The only games I miss out on I catch 3 years late for a dollar on steam on my piece of shit PC in my office.
If they like me liberally used gamefly they could. I'd rather pay for gamefly and get new releases week 1-3 than buy it for 50% 6 months later on steam.
Also buying a game day one on console means you can still usually get back 60-75% back when you sell it (not to GameStop), if I buy shadow of mordor day 1 on steam and don't like it/am done fast I don't get to recoup 35-45$ like I can on console.
Sentenza
Member
On a side note, a Mac is a PC too.
One with an extraordinarily limited versatility and poor cost-for-power ratio, butt still a PC.
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Person who has no actual familiarity with PC software pricing spotted.
ThaneKrios
Banned
The worst thing that could happen is your games being only a little better than the console versions...
You can buy new releases for 35-40$ or less on PC.
I personally hardly pay more than 35$ for any release, but those are prices of retail in Poland. Still, its possible in other countries to get those prices too.
Dictator93
Member
Nvidia shield does exist btw. How exactly do you use remote play? Just curious.
FeiRR
Banned
I build a PC every 3-4 years. I used to do it myself but now I just order the parts I want and the shop takes care of assembly and testing, for free so why bother? My PC can play games because I don't like slow hardware for work. I do it sometimes but I prefer consoles for multiple reasons. I changed my mind once (2009 when I bought my first console after a long break and playing FPS for years on PC) and I may change it once again, who knows. Right now, consoles offer the best experience for me. PCs would be much better gaming machines without Windows (or with an embedded version) but Microsoft holds their monopoly dear.
I met a lot of nice people while playing online on consoles. I met a lot of children typing obscenities in chat windows in PC games online. And vice versa. Morons aren't exclusive to any platform but it's easier to mute people than ignore text chat with obscenities. My country is and has always been a PC land, every other kid has a gaming PC so when I read about "PC elitism" it is hilarious.
I don't care about saving 20 in a year's time while some game goes on sale on Steam. I buy games when I want, usually at launch. Until I can afford them, I won't bother. I will also buy games for platforms I want to support. If my friends had capable PCs, we would play some games like DayZ together. But they don't and with more and more content coming to consoles, this won't likely happen anytime soon.
I met a lot of nice people while playing online on consoles. I met a lot of children typing obscenities in chat windows in PC games online. And vice versa. Morons aren't exclusive to any platform but it's easier to mute people than ignore text chat with obscenities. My country is and has always been a PC land, every other kid has a gaming PC so when I read about "PC elitism" it is hilarious.
I don't care about saving 20 in a year's time while some game goes on sale on Steam. I buy games when I want, usually at launch. Until I can afford them, I won't bother. I will also buy games for platforms I want to support. If my friends had capable PCs, we would play some games like DayZ together. But they don't and with more and more content coming to consoles, this won't likely happen anytime soon.
Sentenza
Member
PC version is a little better, but the Xbone version is totally unplayable because of slightly lower resolution.
Shotgun Kiss
Member
I bought a gaming PC a few months ago, and while I don't play anywhere near as many games as I used to, I'm more than happy. For me, a PC and Wii U are enough. I get the Nintendo exclusives, and PC has a lot of the games that are on Sony/Microsoft systems. While I'll miss a few XB1/PS4 exclusives, there aren't anywhere near enough at the moment for me to justify buying either.
Depends on your titles and current specs. Check the "I need a new PC Thread" and run Speccy.
I think he's implying that PC releases are often 15-30% cheaper at or close to launch with lower sale prices later.
Doesn't take into account buying/selling used and rental services of course.
A lot of people stick to upgrading the mid-high ~$250 card every 2-3 generations. It's the most popular purchase point.
Now the increases in performance are far lower than they have been since everyone is trending towards mobile and lower power use.
It's a project but Hackintosh's are capable machines if you ever want to take a look into that.
Shield doesn't even remotely compare to Remote Play imo. Thing is like a tank.
The Mac being a PC is clearly why it was included in this thread with me then qualifying the comment by saying I don't use it for games. That's in comparison to my freezer which I also don't play games on but I chose not to mention it here due to it not being a PC.
I'm glad you just assumed that I'm either incapable of basic accounting or full of shit.
I actually went back and counted. 57 of the 83 games I finished in 2013 were physical. I kept nine of them after completion (999, the five English AA games, TWEWY, SMT4, and Chrono Trigger) and sold the rest. I made a profit on 45 of those games and took a loss of $2.62 on the remaining one. Some of these were token profits, to be sure, but you'd be surprised by how much money you can make at times - for example, Assassin's Creed III netted me $37.
The intuition here is that I don't replay games all that frequently - I'd rather spend my time with something new. Given that, I don't find all that much value in keeping a digital library - for digital-only games, sure, but if it's something I can get physically and sell for more than I bought it for, I'm going with that.
Sentenza
Member
Well, for two reasons:
the first is that even taking into account the used market, software on PC is cheaper anyway.
I can typically find (almost) any game i want at day one on PC for less that I would pay it used two months later on a console from the nearest Gamestop.
The second one is that reselling every single one of your games to buy the next one with the "credit" is not a great argument for convenience of console games, since in the end you will have a collection of software on one side and just few bucks of store credit and the latest release on the other.
So stick to your budget and be done with it. The option is always there to upgrade, unlike consoles. Want to beef up for a game you're in love with? You have the option. Want to just coast along at 1080p without any of the ridiculously expensive stuff? Totally doable.
Comparing with friends is silly. For the most part, unless you have a special display, you aren't missing out on anything at 1080p 60fps. If one of your friends wants to have a quad SLI 4k setup, let them. If you love the car you drive, do you somehow lament your purchase or like it less if you see an exotic sports car driving around somewhere?
Most of the arguments against PC gaming are (were) 100% valid before Steam, when system building was a joke, when parts weren't significantly better than the consoles, when digital distribution didn't exist. Now? It's a totally different environment. Give it a chance.
Different people go about the hobby in different ways. A large majority of my console games are either 1 or 2 day Redbox rentals ($2-$4) or from online buying and reselling (<$5-10 cost).
I don't hold onto many console titles. Steam I'm just stuck with everything and I just play Dota now so I barely spend any money outside of games I want to support (KS, Humble) or have a big launch.
Just making a counter point to Steam (Sales), preorder cuts, $50 vs $60+Tax, foreign keys, etc. If you want to be really frugal console gaming still is best sans online passes and codes.
I'm glad you just assumed that I'm either incapable of basic accounting or full of shit.
I actually went back and counted. 57 of the 83 games I finished in 2013 were physical. I kept nine of them after completion (999, the five English AA games, TWEWY, SMT4, and Chrono Trigger) and sold the rest. I made a profit on 45 of those games and took a loss of $2.62 on the remaining one. Some of these were token profits, to be sure, but you'd be surprised by how much money you can make at times - for example, Assassin's Creed III netted me $37.
The intuition here is that I don't replay games all that frequently - I'd rather spend my time with something new. Given that, I don't find all that much value in keeping a digital library - for digital-only games, sure, but if it's something I can get physically and sell for more than I bought it for, I'm going with that.
So, You're not really a good example for a typical gamer, so You cant generalize Your practice. But if that works for You, kudos to You.
I'm not really keen on going all out on renting or reselling games and many games nowadays have post-launch support, so going through the game as fast as You can, to get good resell value, is not really desired practice.
Also any multiplayer game is practically out of question for You. And in general, it quite a lot of waste time on reselling stuff and searching for deals.
As i said, if that works for You, awesome, but its very limiting strategy in the long run.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
One that's not the constant target for viruses either, which I believe some are willing to pay for.
Checking Steam right now...
Fable Anniversary - $27.99 on sale
Dead Rising 3 - $49.99
DayZ- $29.99
Shadow of Mordor $49.99
Monaco: What's yours is mine - $3.74 on sale
Just checking prices on games shared with consoles. Haven't checked Origin, but I do know I haven't seen Titanfall on PC for under $20, which happens to be the lowest I've seen the console version. What's the current price of Plants vs Zombies Garden Warfare? The cheapest I've seen is $20 for the PC version, while console versions have been $20-$30. For the extra $10 I'll gladly take a physical copy I can sell off should I desire.
No doubt you can game for cheap if you're looking to play old games, but then the same can be said for consoles.
I just bought an Alienware X51 R2 for $800. I'm satisfied with it, but seems I might've been able to do better, I dunno. I'd rather not deal with building and setting one up, I'd rather just buy one. This comes with a GeForce GTX 645 which is... quite weak. It's enough to play most modern games with good settings, but I sure as hell ain't maxing anything out or hitting solid 60fps on good settings.
750Ti and done
Just like on consoles you can do all your shopping on one store (which would be Steam in this case) but who does that? You save hundreds by looking around. In fact if you have ES installed in your browser you see what's the cheapest price for the item currently. Then there's buying games from people in area's that have cheaper games (mainly Russia). Like that you can easily get another 50% off even a new game.
For example liezryou sells Fable Anniversary for $14 here.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Exclusives and lack of space.
Edit: And time.
Edit: And time.
Fattony12000
Member
I have bought a PC yet.
I have been building, breaking and buying personal computers (along with their constituent parts) since the 90s.
I have been doing this because you can do rad shit like go on the Internet and play video games on a personal computer.
It's rad.
I have been building, breaking and buying personal computers (along with their constituent parts) since the 90s.
I have been doing this because you can do rad shit like go on the Internet and play video games on a personal computer.
It's rad.