I doubt it. It's money for ms after all.
But thus was more an ip buy out for sequels and merchandising.
WSJ: ''Mojang to be bought by Microsoft'
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I doubt it. It's money for ms after all.
But thus was more an ip buy out for sequels and merchandising.
Handy Fake
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A kebab. With an extra pitta bread to go with it. Nothing's too good for this man.
PanicFreak
Member
I doubt it would have the plug pulled but it wouldn't be updated nearly as quickly as the Xbox version. It would be like how Valve supports Team Fortress 2 on consoles (you know, when they supported Team Fortress 2 on consoles).
BibiMaghoo
Member
It's easy to assume this, but for all we know, they are halfway through making it. Time will tell I guess.
Is the pitta made from diamond studded platinum? With genetically engineered lamb, created just for this specific kebab?
snoopeasystreet
Member
If the deal goes through, I bet he'll fund Psychonauts 2.
SuprDuperFly
Neo Member
The possibilities pertaining to starting up an indie team are so.....*sigh*
With the right management it could start a company without any leashes.
NihonTiger90
Member
I still wonder what Microsoft is going to do with the current community that's on PC/Max/Linux. Looking by Twitter reactions alone, it seems there's a sizable chunk of folks who make content the community uses (mods, maps, etc.) that are planning to leave Minecraft behind should the deal go through, regardless of whether the worst-case scenario comes into play or if Microsoft chooses to let the game continue running as is.
That's ... not good, considering how big the computer-based userbase is.
I'd agree. A lot of folks saying "THEY NEED TO ADD QUESTS! SPACESHIPS! MORE STUFF TO BUILD!" would probably be surprised to know just how much extra content is already out there from the modding community. You can already go to space, or have HD water shaders and textures, or learn dark arts, or run around with planes and guns, or heck, even play Pokemon or have rocket launchers that shoot out pigs that explode.
That's ... not good, considering how big the computer-based userbase is.
I'd agree. A lot of folks saying "THEY NEED TO ADD QUESTS! SPACESHIPS! MORE STUFF TO BUILD!" would probably be surprised to know just how much extra content is already out there from the modding community. You can already go to space, or have HD water shaders and textures, or learn dark arts, or run around with planes and guns, or heck, even play Pokemon or have rocket launchers that shoot out pigs that explode.
I hope there is no sequel. I think it's awesome how the game is continually updated and improved. Then again, if they are going to mess with the core game it might be best to spin it off into something else.
SaucyJack
Member
One game plus some merchandise is not a franchise.
There are always people who react emotionally like that until they realize nothing changed.
NihonTiger90
Member
Yeah, I don't know how many will end up leaving, and I wager it would depend on exactly what Microsoft would do to the game. If they leave it alone and let it continue on its merry course, then many of them probably will stick around. Some might go on principle alone or use it as an excuse to leave, as there's been some unhappiness with the whole EULA incident and Mojang's lag on developing a proper modding API.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Well, it is if it keeps selling and growing, which so far it has. Merch revenue grows annually (it's now one of the biggest merch brands in the business, and I suspect eclipses Mario in popularity in that regard); every platform the game has launched on it's shot to stratospheric heights; PC sales continue to be robust and total tens of millions of dollars a year. They're about to get service revenue from their server hosting program. Seems like a pretty healthy business to me, even if it eventually winds down as all businesses do.
BibiMaghoo
Member
His own personal wealth in this instance would be more than half of EA's entire revenue for last year. I don't think any game he backed could be called indie. He would be a publisher in himself.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Twitter reactions to these kinds of things are usually taken with a grain of salt. It's meaningless. The FUD with MS being the devil has been talked about forever.. and little of it has ever been true.
To the second part.. yes mods can do all those things.. but most of them run like shit.. because the core engine is in Java and until it's redone it'll always be limited by it.
..but yes.. the mod community for Minecraft is outstanding.. and things like this Technic have made using mods so much easier than they've ever been before. No more shady download links, broken mods, updating forge, all that shit.. just a couple clicks and you can be playing a mod pack.
http://www.technicpack.net/
That place is great. Still though, all this is being piled on a pretty shitty engine to start with... there's a great opportunity to do SO much more with game.
I think MS would be smart to release a Minecraft 2 with a new engine, but with the core mod community still around.. because I believe the real value is the microtransactions on consoles and the merchandise.
So Persson is actually leaving when the deal goes through and according to the earlier leak the employees at Mojang were "weeping" because they didn't want this to happen. Is sounds like as soon as this goes ahead Person is just going to start again and take the staff he wants with him. What exactly are Microsoft buying?
This is all sounding far too close to the disastrous Rare takeover a few years ago where they essential got the name of the company and the games the company owned but the people that were actually worth employing just walked away from the company. What makes this even worse than the Rare mess is that Rare actually had a decent catalogue of games whereas Mojang had Minecraft which was fantastic but was fantastic because it was unique.
There's always room for more avatar crap I suppose.
I can't help but imagine Persson quietly giggling to himself at what he;s managed to pull off here, he's essentially sold nothing and ended up with everything.
This is all sounding far too close to the disastrous Rare takeover a few years ago where they essential got the name of the company and the games the company owned but the people that were actually worth employing just walked away from the company. What makes this even worse than the Rare mess is that Rare actually had a decent catalogue of games whereas Mojang had Minecraft which was fantastic but was fantastic because it was unique.
There's always room for more avatar crap I suppose.
I can't help but imagine Persson quietly giggling to himself at what he;s managed to pull off here, he's essentially sold nothing and ended up with everything.
SuprDuperFly
Neo Member
Well, you asked what would you do?
That's what I'd do.
If you meant if I was him?
Try to become one of the Big Three, taking my place as the fourth biggest independent publisher. EDIT: But so unlike the others in terms of my mission, and how I go about it.
Slowly and methodically.
So Persson is actually leaving when the deal goes through and according to the earlier leak the employees at Mojang were "weeping" because they didn't want this to happen. Is sounds like as soon as this goes ahead Person is just going to start again and take the staff he wants with him. What exactly are Microsoft buying?
This is all sounding far too close to the disastrous Rare takeover a few years ago where they essential got the name of the company and the games the company owned but the people that were actually worth employing just walked away from the company. What makes this even worse than the Rare mess is that Rare actually had a decent catalogue of games whereas Mojang had Minecraft which was fantastic but was fantastic because it was unique.
There's always room for more avatar crap I suppose.
I can't help but imagine Persson quietly giggling to himself at what he;s managed to pull off here, he's essentially sold nothing and ended up with everything.
They're buying the Minecraft IP, just like they bought the Gears IP.
Orniletter
Banned
Can we get Psychonauts 2 now ?
I mean, the projected 20 million are peanuts for someone with more than 2 billion in the bank.
I mean, the projected 20 million are peanuts for someone with more than 2 billion in the bank.
Honestly, is Mojang as a developer actually that great?So Persson is actually leaving when the deal goes through and according to the earlier leak the employees at Mojang were "weeping" because they didn't want this to happen. Is sounds like as soon as this goes ahead Person is just going to start again and take the staff he wants with him. What exactly are Microsoft buying?
This is all sounding far too close to the disastrous Rare takeover a few years ago where they essential got the name of the company and the games the company owned but the people that were actually worth employing just walked away from the company. What makes this even worse than the Rare mess is that Rare actually had a decent catalogue of games whereas Mojang had Minecraft which was fantastic but was fantastic because it was unique.
There's always room for more avatar crap I suppose.
I can't help but imagine Persson quietly giggling to himself at what he;s managed to pull off here, he's essentially sold nothing and ended up with everything.
Notch was extremely lucky with Minecraft but it's hardly a well made game. It's been slowly improving without him at the helm but the content they've been adding isn't exactly incredible.
I think MS is buying the IP, not the dev.
So Persson is actually leaving when the deal goes through and according to the earlier leak the employees at Mojang were "weeping" because they didn't want this to happen. Is sounds like as soon as this goes ahead Person is just going to start again and take the staff he wants with him. What exactly are Microsoft buying?
This is all sounding far too close to the disastrous Rare takeover a few years ago where they essential got the name of the company and the games the company owned but the people that were actually worth employing just walked away from the company. What makes this even worse than the Rare mess is that Rare actually had a decent catalogue of games whereas Mojang had Minecraft which was fantastic but was fantastic because it was unique.
There's always room for more avatar crap I suppose.
I can't help but imagine Persson quietly giggling to himself at what he;s managed to pull off here, he's essentially sold nothing and ended up with everything.
So this is looking more and more likely?
Musk's kids play Minecraft.
Alx
Member
Yeah I don't think there's some complex wizardry in the coding of Minecraft, it's just a clever concept that managed to attract people, but any coder could do it once the way has been shown. Actually many did, considering the many Minecraft clones that appeared.
The fact that everyone involved with Minecraft has gone radio silent including 4j points to this being completely true. I am guessing this wasn't supposed to get out until the deal was finished.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
"Why is Microsoft making a $2 billion dollar gamble on a video game that looks like Legos?"; never change, news. And this was from a finance show. I would think your viewers would know what Mojang and Minecraft are.
Mengy
wishes it were bannable to say mean things about Marvel
Mojang is not a greatly productive developer, but what makes them awesome and unique is their constant (albeit glacial) work towards improving the game, coupled with their transparency and community interactions. Minecraft owners are constantly kept in the loop and up to date on not only what is going on now with the game but what is planned for the future. Many devs could learn a great and valuable lesson from the way Mojang operates.
Microsoft is looking to buy the Minecraft IP not Mojang, and they would surely kill that aspect of the community, as they are the literal opposite of Mojang WRT transparency.
Yep, their silence in the past few days is completely out of place for Mojang, they haven't ever been even remotely this quiet in the past four years. Either they are enjoying the rumor spectacle and quietly laughing to themselves, or there is much truth to this deal with Microsoft.
Harlock
Member
A good extra factor pointed by The Verge:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/10/6130597/why-microsoft-wants-minecraft-and-mojang-wants-microsoft
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/10/6130597/why-microsoft-wants-minecraft-and-mojang-wants-microsoft
d00d3n
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I don't know if this has been posted before (sorry if it has): Notch owns 71 percent of the holding company Notch development, which in turn owns Mojang. His collaborators Jakob Porsér and Carl Manneh own 21 percent and 8 percent of the holding company respectively. (according to the financial newspaper "Dagens Industri") If the two billion dollar asking price for Notch development is correct, this means that ...
Before Swedish capital gains tax:
Notch gets 1.42 billion dollars.
Jakob Porsér gets 420 million dollars.
Carl Manneh gets 160 million dollars.
After capital gains tax: (30%)
Notch keeps 994 million dollars.
Jakob Porsér keeps 294 million dollars.
Carl Manneh keeps 112 million dollars.
It is possible that some/all of them use creative accounting tricks to minimize taxes, but if the usual Swedish taxation rules are followed that should be in the ballpark of what each person gets.
Before Swedish capital gains tax:
Notch gets 1.42 billion dollars.
Jakob Porsér gets 420 million dollars.
Carl Manneh gets 160 million dollars.
After capital gains tax: (30%)
Notch keeps 994 million dollars.
Jakob Porsér keeps 294 million dollars.
Carl Manneh keeps 112 million dollars.
It is possible that some/all of them use creative accounting tricks to minimize taxes, but if the usual Swedish taxation rules are followed that should be in the ballpark of what each person gets.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Mojang the developer has very little actual worth. They have around 40 employees. It's not like Mojang has a giant team working on actual programming of the game. They currently have 12 people in software development.. I could be wrong but that is across 3 games... Cobalt, Scrolls and Minecraft.
There's mods that have more hands on them than Minecraft proper these days, which explains the glacial pace of vanilla Minecraft content updates.
The value is completely in the IP.
That doesn't need to be case, and I have faith that the helm of Xbox these days has a better handle on things that they did when the aquired Rare. Hell the reasons for buying Rare. Rare was bought to strengthen their first foray into making a console. I honestly think most of Rare's failings were that the market completely shifted back in the early to mid 2000's from the character driven mascot styled games to edgier action games. Rare might have, and probably still would have worked in the world of Nintendo.. but that market never took hold with Sony or MS.. and thus Rare has been what it is.
This situation is completely different than 2002.
MS has seen a formula that works, and will continue to work. As with Rare they bought a studio that inevitably was in genres that would be on the decline.. and are all but dead at this point. Minecraft isn't a fad that's going away soon.. and a Minecraft 2 on a new engine, with easier more accessible multiplayer and built in mod tools would be a welcome addition.. and the cash.. the big cash is to be made on the side.
Movies, TV and merch.
JackDebian
Banned
This is, without a doubt, the dumbest move Microsoft has ever made, if true. Kids love their Minecraft, that's for sure, but none of them are going to convince their parents to buy a $400 device to play it on, if MS does end up making it an exclusive. There are SO MANY Minecraft clones that paying 2 BILLION DOLLARS for the original seems absolutely absurd. Even if they manage to shut them all down, I just don't think the idea itself is worth that much. If I was a shareholder over there I would be pulling my hair out wondering how such a blunder could ever make it past the planning stages.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Why the assumption they will shutdown mobile and PC? Minecraft doesn't need Sony.. and Minecraft did quite well without Sony for a long time.
The assumption that MS spends 2 billion on a Xbone exclusive is beyond absurd.
This isn't 2002 and Rare.
BronsonLee
Member
Just to give some perspective;
This is half of what Disney paid for Marvel.
This is half of what Disney paid for Lucasarts.
This is a quarter of what Microsoft paid for Skype.
This is half of what Disney paid for Marvel.
This is half of what Disney paid for Lucasarts.
This is a quarter of what Microsoft paid for Skype.
Handy Fake
Member
#stillabetterkebabthantwilight
Yeah, that perspective, wow.
BronsonLee
Member
Wait..what did you say before the edit? I'm curious
Basically, in the grand scheme of things, this isn't as important to Microsoft as people think, IMO. And I don't think it's just for games' sake. I think they want to push this as an educational tool and build it out that way.
RealityPales
Member
What would this mean for Minecraft on PlayStation platforms though?
Would they remove it from the store? Never update existing versions?
Would they remove it from the store? Never update existing versions?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
U wot m8
I said that you could buy both Marvel and Lucasarts for that money, so ehh, yeah. I read it to fast.
I could see MS using Minecraft incentives for a lot of games.
Get CoD on Xbox One and get Minecraft based weapons and skins!
Get Madden on Xbox One get Minecraft based arena and skins!
Get *game name here* get Minecraft based skins *other incentive here*
Only on Xbox One of course.
Get CoD on Xbox One and get Minecraft based weapons and skins!
Get Madden on Xbox One get Minecraft based arena and skins!
Get *game name here* get Minecraft based skins *other incentive here*
Only on Xbox One of course.
probably (if they take a short view)
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but if they are smart they keep going
so only time can tell
MS + smart = big money
MS + not so smart (also crushing competition) = not as big money
i think MS can only gain from this
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