TheCanisDirus
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Placeholders?! Psh. More like the coolest loading screens EVAR! /s
What the fuck were they thinking there. Destiny missed opportunity #741
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Placeholders?! Psh. More like the coolest loading screens EVAR! /s
What the fuck were they thinking there. Destiny missed opportunity #741
SlasherJPC
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I'm having fun...? So... then it's fun for me? I'm so confused on this potential promise of having fun comment.
PARTYNEXTDOOR
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Borderlands 2. No question.
I think it's reasonable to review a product that is available for purchase based on what someone will experience in the game if they purchase it that day. Yes, some people are okay with playing through some drudgery with the promise that endgame or future events will be fun, but it's useful to know whether that is what I am in store for before I buy a game.
There are also aspects of the game that will not change by adding in extra content later on. The main storyline of the game won't change. The mission variety in the main story missions won't change. The three-person fireteam is unlikely to change (though I can't say it's impossible).
I think there is value in reviewing the experience from buying the game at launch, and I think there is value in reviewing the experience after a bunch of DLC and updates are released. Neither invalidates the use of the other, because they are serving different purposes. The analogies people are drawing to reviewing (for example) the first 20 minutes of a movie are not really relevant here. More relevant would be asking reviewers not to review the version of a movie that releases in theaters, instead waiting to review the Director's Cut as it will release on blu-ray in a few months. Both are valid to review, and different people will find one or both reviews to be useful. But what people see when they go to the theater that day is what they see, and people should be aware of what they're buying now, as long as it is clear that things may change and may warrant re-review later on.
ArkkAngel007
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Yes, absolutely. The real problem with Hellgate: London was that it would crash when I looked at it funny and they really wanted you to pay a subscription fee to really enjoy the game.
GEE, MAYBE IF YOU WANT YOUR GAME TO BE REVIEWED WITH ALL OF ITS CONTENT, YOU SHOULD HAVE IT ALL READY IN ONE, NEAT PACKAGE ON LAUNCH. YOU KNOW, LIKE OLD TIMES.
Just saying.
6 months later: it's a shame that some Destiny reviews are coming out before Destiny 2. We are just getting started.
As I said, anecdotal and rather pointless, but just my personal experience.
And it is amusing that the average enjoyment rating for the game so far rounds up to a 4/5 in that thread. You'd never guess based on some of the outspoken commentary from those who dislike it.
gamechanger87
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Yes you can spend hours grinding to fill up on special loot, but there is no hook for making someone want to do it. How many times can you do the same strike and hope they may or may not give you loot that is relevant to your character.
this is a forum that has been propelled by the anal gust of this game's marketing for the last year. after investing so much contributing to the hype, many people will find something they like about it necessity.
in turn, this can be rolled into a greater arc over the worth of the current generation of consoles. there is a niggling feeling there that this isn't turning out to be everything they hoped for after those long years of waiting, with destiny being the poster boy for this gen's fortunes.
The problem you have here is that you're wrong. At least as wrong as something subjective like fun can be defined. I've had nothing BUT fun in every moment of this game, pre-20 and post. If you don't like it, that's done, biyt don't act like it's objectively 'garbage' when that is an impossible thing to claim.
The act of powering up your character is the hook. Look, you may not know about these other MMO style titles out there where progression is gear based, but they've been pretty popular in the last decade. And they follow the same exact style of progression that Destiny is using.
For a forum supposedly devoted to enthusiast gamers I'm finding an awful lot of people don't seem to know much about the videogames they're discussing.
Borderlands 2 is a significantly better product.
Why do companies release half-assed products then cry for pity? If your day one release isn't up to par, delay it. Don't stamp your feet on Twitter and insist no one should review your product until you can improve it weeks later.
CassidyIzABeast
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Reviewing the game before the magical x-factor Raids drop. Disappointing.
Launching the game and making a bunch of cash before said content drops. A-Ok.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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Seems like a lame duck excuse for legitimate complaints. Reviewers are under a deadline to get their reviews out and Bungie isn't helping my seemingly reserving all of the "fun" stuff for post-launch.
Seems a bit stupid on their part.
One can dream, right? Unfortunately I don't think that's how it works. They do enjoy being king makers, even if its not totally a conscious thing for all of them.
Evolve seems to be the next candidate. Personally I think the COOP sounds great, but there's already a visible hype being put behind it that it probably won't live up to. Whether it carries all the way to reviews, who knows.
Bungie definitely oversold the idea and scope of this game, but I'm enjoying it for what it is.
It actually reminds me of the BioShock Infinite were were promised vs what we got. Good, buy slightly disappointing.
Such a shame those people would be so bold as to react to a game pre-sold at retail for the last 6 months, and describing their experiences with it as it currently exists.
Completely agree, though the core mechanics are at least fun (for about as long as I had with the Alpha and Beta).
TheCanisDirus
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Exactly. Why not just make your entire damn game awesome and grind free? Eh? You're designers.... think about that concept for a minute.
Another exactly. If i've done it once at the highest level or hell... if i've even just completed it before... why make it part of the "gameplay" to redo it again and again in order to progress?
ViewtifulJC
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man Watch_Dogs was just boring man, don't bring that in here, lol. The next in the line of UbiSoft Open World Collectathons off their assembly line. Stay tuned for UbiSoft Open World Collectathon: Exotic Island Edition this Fall, pre-order now at GameStop for exclusive 10% XP bonus for your bow and arrow set.
Destiny is at least fun to play on a moment to moment basis. Its all empty calories, but at least they taste good going down.
Destiny is at least fun to play on a moment to moment basis. Its all empty calories, but at least they taste good going down.
At least he sounds confident that the game will improved over the next few weeks with this new content.
gutterboy44
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I never got that hyped about Destiny and don't know of or care about this supposed Bungie lineage. I am enjoying the game because shooting things with friends in co-op is fun, and the good ol' loot hooks. That being said, it is fucking ludicrous for them to expect reviewers to just keep holding off indefinitely until the game adds a bunch of post release content. Ship the game you want reviewed, period. And yes, if all your servers crash day one (not that Destiny's did) than that gets to be part of the review too because that shit is on you, not the gamer or the reviewer.
A review doesn't have to be an encyclopedic break down of every piece of available content and a precise cost to replay value ratio. A review is an impression of the game. Buying a game, and playing it in the first week of launch, is a pretty normal window to have an impression of a game that is going to be relevant to the majority of buyers and possibly inform them on their prospective purchase.
I am sure the trophy % in a few months will be very telling. Barely anyone is going to get to a point where endgame content even matters. The majority of people will play the parts almost all of the reviews are criticizing, and rightly so. The game is fun, but it is not really anything new other than a boat load of polish and a budget and hype train to match. I just really enjoy co-op games, as does my main gaming friend, so we both bought it and play it. It could be getting 10/10 or 2/10, doesn't really matter, but my enjoyment doesn't mean other reviewers should or shouldn't feel the same way. Nearly all of the criticism about this game is dead on.
Can't wait to binge on it this weekend though.
A review doesn't have to be an encyclopedic break down of every piece of available content and a precise cost to replay value ratio. A review is an impression of the game. Buying a game, and playing it in the first week of launch, is a pretty normal window to have an impression of a game that is going to be relevant to the majority of buyers and possibly inform them on their prospective purchase.
I am sure the trophy % in a few months will be very telling. Barely anyone is going to get to a point where endgame content even matters. The majority of people will play the parts almost all of the reviews are criticizing, and rightly so. The game is fun, but it is not really anything new other than a boat load of polish and a budget and hype train to match. I just really enjoy co-op games, as does my main gaming friend, so we both bought it and play it. It could be getting 10/10 or 2/10, doesn't really matter, but my enjoyment doesn't mean other reviewers should or shouldn't feel the same way. Nearly all of the criticism about this game is dead on.
Can't wait to binge on it this weekend though.
-tetsuo-
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Borderlands 2 for sure
Honestly, this game has me excited for Destiny 2. I feel like this game suffers from new IP syndrome. New games by good developers than stumble out of the gate but still have a lot of potential. Look at Mass Effect compared to its sequel. There were some huge flaws in that game but it was still interesting and had potential. Borderlands is another. Uncharted is another too. If Bungie can address the criticisms properly then Destiny 2 should be the game everyone thought this would be.
Zombie James
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I feel the problem is not the amount of content, but how much of that content is worth playing, which is one of the main issues with the game already.
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
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That 3/5 is higher than I thought judging by Jeff's comments during the BombCast
Goodacre0081
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what would delaying the game accomplish? you'd just push back the events to the same time frame weeks later. some people just don't get what Bungie is going for here.
Borderlands 2 by leaps and bounds. Leaps and bounds. Destiny has better shooting mechanics, but not a better game does that make.
backflip10019
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I think we all saw this coming based on his reactions to it in the quick look, live stream, podcast, etc.
Tomeru
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I'm not talking about random drops, but I digress.
That argument can be made against all leveling and xp systems. Why is the front and center character level system OK, but the mote of light or vanagaurd systems "just grinding".
Honestly. I think a lot of people in the dislike column probably way overplayed both the alpha, beta, and then burned the midnight oil these past few days. I know a guy that's put in 120 hours over all three, which is the point where you really only keep going if you love a specific IP.
youbastards
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Maybe some people just don't give a shit about a census thread.
3/5 was exactly what I predicted.
This game in a nutshell, sums it up very nicely.
There is much modification potential in this gif
Needs the voice acting too.
"A DHERD?"
Kandrick
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As expected. Game didn't grab me when i played the alpha and beta, but seeing live streams and early opinions, doesn't seem that great in the full version.
ArkkAngel007
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I keep hearing about Evolve hype, but it's only been featured prominently on IGN and with Turtle Rock themselves, and that's with actual match footage. They kind of just put it out there on its own and people are left what to make of it.
I would know since I'm actually been paying somewhat close attention to its marketing.
http://www.giantbomb.com/reviews/destiny-review/1900-655/
Yeah it was already posted a few minutes ago, but wow that last paragraph makes it sound like the 3/5 was raised from a lower score out of some sort of kindness to Bungie.
Yeah it was already posted a few minutes ago, but wow that last paragraph makes it sound like the 3/5 was raised from a lower score out of some sort of kindness to Bungie.
SkylineRKR
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I didn't really enjoy Halo 3 in co-op. It felt tacked on with Arbiter. You could also rush and then be killed and respawn somewhere whatever (sometimes after the encounter IIRC). It broke Legendary.
But yeah Halo 3 had far better encounter design thats for sure. Better enemy variety too. Destiny has terrible things going for it. Bungie revolutionized shit with Destiny. They more or less fell from grace like Blizzard did with Diablo 3 earlier.
lol that's Destiny in a nutshell. Hey maybe the title comes from here : your Destiny is to live the same stuf over and over and over again. Or maybe Bungie are secret Majora's Mask fans.
Is this your first time playing a loot game?
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