Destiny - Review Thread

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Null, I was just wondering what your thoughts are on Halo as I'd have to buy a console for it. Is it worth $460 to play?
Short answer: Hell yes!
Long answer: It really, really depends, and I'm way biased and filled with Halo nostalgia and am the last person to look for advice concerning gaming and cost effectiveness. ;p

I bought my Xbox for Forza, but MCC looks like nothing short of the holy grail for Halo fans.
 
Seems your hate boner for me makes you spout things that don't make sense.

You have over 100 posts in a review thread for a game in which you don't even own, and yet you still seem to have some strange persecution complex when people give you shit for making outlandish claims about said game. I've seen you accuse people of character assassination, personal insults and attacks, and now hate boners.

It really might be time to take a step back from discussing what amounts to a flawed, but fun game.
 
They really serve no other purpose anymore.

This is the Destiny hate thread, title should be updated.
No it's not.

If you really think that way, you probably should take a bit of mental step away from this. It's a thread to talk about reviews and thus also to talk about the criticism towards the game. If you like a game, it's easy to see that criticism and think it's mostly hate. But the thing is that very few people here are actually hating it. Very few people are actually saying it's a bad game. Almost all admit it's a decent game or even a good game in its core, but just with a lot flaws.

Naturally, there are some extreme opinions and hyperboles, but it works both ways (i.e. ignoring all or most of criticism and/or saying reviewers are just angry because they didn't get the review copies early and things like that). You can and possibly even should tackle those extreme opinions, but don't label the thread itself as a hate thread.

Seriously as a suggestion, take a step back if you think the thread is about hating the game.
 
That sort of acknowledgement will never happen. So either the scale will be used correctly over time, silently, or there really will be open discussion about how the scale will be used now.

So it has to be one of those two?

I'm going to go with, it isn't going to change at all. There doesn't seem to be any standard what so ever when it comes to giving a game a particular score...I don't see that changing.

Yea it's ways better.

How is it way better? It makes no difference at all.
 
You have over 100 posts in a review thread for a game in which you don't even own, and yet you still seem to have some strange persecution complex when people give you shit for making outlandish claims about said game. I've seen you accuse people of character assassination, personal insults and attacks, and now hate boners.

It really might be time to take a step back from discussing what amounts to a flawed, but fun game.

PM a mod if you feel I'm overstepping in this thread, because personally I feel I'm not. Only three posters have given me shit constantly in this thread, maybe its time for a mod to decide what should happen.

So it has to be one of those two?

I'm going to go with, it isn't going to change at all
. There doesn't seem to be any standard what so ever when it comes to giving a game a particular score...I don't see that changing.

Well, who knows where IGN and other sites will be in 10 or 20 years.
 
Short answer: Hell yes!
Long answer: It really, really depends, and I'm way biased and filled with Halo nostalgia and am the last person to look for advice concerning gaming and cost effectiveness. ;p

I bought my Xbox for Forza, but MCC looks like nothing short of the holy grail for Halo fans.

cheers.
 
I feel bad wasting 100€ on this, hype got to me. Really liked the beta and was looking forward to getting the full game now after finishing the story, i got so bored with it. Horrible campaign story and gameplay.

I'm gonna give pvp another go this afternoon but i don't like all the 0-skill super's and whatnot
 
You have over 100 posts in a review thread for a game in which you don't even own, and yet you still seem to have some strange persecution complex when people give you shit for making outlandish claims about said game. I've seen you accuse people of character assassination, personal insults and attacks, and now hate boners.

It really might be time to take a step back from discussing what amounts to a flawed, but fun game.

This is the review thread. If you can't take discussing the matter at hand, maybe you should take a step back.
 
Had to stop in here and say: loving the fuck outta the game (level 24 warlock here), but Bungie really needs to take the complaints of the reviews seriously, and use them holistically to iron out the experience. This needs to start first with the social aspect -- making it easier for people to make friends in the game so those people can adventure together, and then they need to pay a lot of attention to the "adventuring" part. Destiny is a well-made game, but it shouldn't just be addictive for someone like me (a loot hound who is willing to replay stuff over and over) it should be just as fun for other people -- and clearly, it's not.

Introducing randomized dungeons would be a start, even if they aren't well-designed pieces of content, per se. Obviously, the strikes need to keep coming, and it's not enough to give people bare bones customization options for tweaking the experience (medium/hard difficulties).

Doing this grind to get my character raid-worthy when the time comes... it's difficult. It's fun, but only if you can deal with seeing a lot of the same dungeons, same encounters, over and over. Yes, that is what happens in MMOs, but this is not exactly an MMO (anybody actually think it is. I mean, really?) and to boot it's DNA is like 80% shooter, and so the bread and butter of the game is actually *not* the loot, but the encounters themselves. So those encounters need to be a bit more interesting than they are.

Realistically, right now, it's a 7.5/10 game. I love it and am playing it like it's a 9/10 game, but I'm doing a lot of the investment AS IF it will become that true 9/10 or 10/10 experience. If it never reaches that, then this will be, ultimately, a hell of an interesting experiment if nothing else.
 
I think Edge, GamesTM and Eurogamer will have a big say on the final score. Traditionally tough reviewers with higher standards than most. I'd also imagine their scores carry real weight on Metacritic.

IGN is, in general, a pretty lenient reviewer so I expect a decent score from them.

I don't think Eurogamer is considered "tough" - they give out 10s like candy.
 
So after the fun Alpha and Beta this game is just mediocre? Guess I will save myself $60 and use it on another game.

Skinny, if you thought the beta was fun, then there is lots of fun to be had in the game.

I thought the beta was dull but compelling, then bought it ... why did I buy it

I'm actually fine with my purchase, there is plenty of solid gameplay to be had, seriously, check it out, see what you think

Dont download it though, no return on investment
 
I thing that the problem with the game is that Bungie didn’t communicate what kind of game Destiny is designed to be… (Or smartly hide the fact it is an MMO in order to not limit the game to the people that like MMOs)

If it is a light – consolised - take on the MMO gender, simplified and designed with the average console player in mind, it is not realistic to have accurate reviews on the first week of the game…

Most MMOs need at least a month of gameplay to have a good feel of what the game wants to achieve…

I was confused a lot with Destiny and the shared-world experience that Bungie said about the game. It made me thing that we will get strong Halo-level story missions combined with co-op missions in an huge online world…

I am a huge Bungie/Halo fan and this probably cloud my best judgment and made me think that Bungie will deliver again on strong story, great level design and huge set pieces both on story missions and on online content…

What we get in the end is a shooter hybrid which uses a lot of mechanics that PC MMO players are very familiar with…

Most MMOs shine on the End Content of the game, and the leveling up process is there as a tutorial designed only to train the player to a specific class until he gets to the End Content. And with Destiny we still have to see the huge raids with 6 players, the real End Content part of the game that is…

I will wait for about a month to see what Bungie wants to achieve with Destiny and I would advice all of you to do the same…

And try to find some articles that explain the basic rules and the mechanics of an MMO game.

It will help you a lot to understand what Destiny is and why most of what we consider flows (20-30 minutes repetitive boss battles) are common design choices for an MMO (where you can have 100 players fight a boss for 2 hours) …
 
Yes, journalists should wait for a few days/weeks/months (hell, even years, going by your ridiculous WoW example) before publishing their reviews, and let games sell purely by their marketing efforts in the meantime. What in the world am I reading? It's reviewers' responsibility toward their audience to keep them well informed, and it's publishers' responsibility to provide games for reviewing in a timely fashion. Bungie's and Activision's excuses for delaying the reviews are really paper thin, considering Destiny's meager social features, and their intentions are just as transparent.
Um, I pretty much agree, so I don't know why you took this tone. Read all my posts on the previous page. Also, I'm not sure what their purportedly obvious intentions are supposed to be. In my opinion, the game is being underrated because they did not provide reviewers early access.
 
PM a mod if you feel I'm overstepping in this thread, because personally I feel I'm not. Only three posters have given me shit constantly in this thread, maybe its time for a mod to decide what should happen.

I'm not referring to you discussing the game, do that in any manner and to any extent that you want. I'm referring to the fact that you'll fall back to accusing people of character assassination when they try to refute some of your claims.
 
This game is a solid 8.5, thoroughly enjoying it. I can't trust these reviews because you really need to put a lot of time into the game in order to get the most out of it.
 
I don't believe I've ever seen such a massively marketed and hyped up game get so comprehensively dismissed by so many reviewers and players. It gives me hope.
 
I don't believe I've ever seen such a massively marketed and hyped up game get so comprehensively dismissed by so many reviewers and players. It gives me hope.

It will still sell millions and the same pattern will occur indefinitely.

I have the feeling what you are hoping for. It is not going to happen.
 
Um, I pretty much agree, so I don't know why you took this tone. Read all my posts on the previous page. Also, I'm not sure what their purportedly obvious intentions are supposed to be. In my opinion, the game is being underrated because they did not provide reviewers early access.
Interesting theory, but it is a little too tinfoil for me. The game is a solid 8-8.5 if we are going by the normal standards, the same standards that gave Titanfall an 80 something and Bioshock a 90.
 
This is why I prefer the 1-5 scale.

1/5 is unplayable, 2/5 is bad, 3/5 is average, 4/5 is good, 5/5 is great.

Never thought about it much, but yes, it is much better.

Shrinking the 'positive' zone effectively forces reviewers to utilize the entire score, since you can't muck around in the 7-10 and then have to worry about how the score 'looks' compared to other, similar games or even other titles in the series.

That being said, I've been following this thread for the past few days and it's crazy to see the Destiny bubble (Traveler?) finally pop. I'm now really curious to see what happened with this game to deliver in its current state. Is Geoff Keighley releasing one of his "Final Hours" again?
 
I'm not referring to you discussing the game, do that in any manner and to any extent that you want. I'm referring to the fact that you'll fall back to accusing people of character assassination when they try to refute some of your claims.

The meat of the arguments are "you haven't played the game, yet you've posted a lot, why are you here, you can't say that, you haven't played the game."

I've been most harsh when it comes to narrative and seemingly what you do in Destiny design wise. So far no one has explained the plot explicitly, Nib said he thought the story and plot were okay. As for the design side I get told that I should play the game to judge that aspect, and that's been the extent of that debate.

Why bring my post count up if you have no qualms with me talking about the game? So the fact that I post a lot is an issue?
 
I'm really torn on what to think about these reviews.

On one hand despite REALLY enjoying the game, the fact that every aspect of the game that isn't art or combat sucks would make it hard for me to give it even 4/5.

That said many of the outlets giving this game 6s/7s basically have given 8s/9s to tons of pieces of garbage so it's weird that this game is the time they decide to actually be serious about review scores.

While I think the reviews have been fair they certainly aren't in relation to other games or even shooters.

A busted frame rate even less content than destiny Titanfall.
A broken for a year+ on consoles battlefield 4.
Watchdogs?
That dumb ass plants vs zombies multiplayer only shooter?

Destiny at 75% on metacritic is probably spot on, but all of the above games should be in the 60s at best in relation if reviews were even semi consistent in the industry.
 
This is why I prefer the 1-5 scale.

1/5 is unplayable, 2/5 is bad, 3/5 is average, 4/5 is good, 5/5 is great.

For the same good scaling I also prefer this. Beeing overely accurate on a score rating something like a game is just not useful in my book. A 3/5 is worth checking out if I like the setting and genre. 4/5 is a very good game definetly a recommendation. 5/5 should be rare and a must play for anyone.

And wishing that Destiny should fall under 70 is kind of a joke or what? You want games to be rated bad? Why would you want that. People had plenty chance to check if the gameplay was theirs to like. If you think content is sparse and the story is bad ok, but why would this make you wish for bad ratings?
 
If I had a buck for everyone who mislabels this game an MMO I would be rich..


JJust because there is a ton of people in the tower, does not mean it's an mmo
 
And wishing that Destiny should fall under 70 is kind of a joke or what? You want games to be rated bad? Why would you want that. People had plenty chance to check if the gameplay was theirs to like. If you think content is sparse and the story is bad ok, but why would this make you wish for bad ratings?

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I doubt they give a shit about the reviews at this point. They've already achieved what they wanted.

We find out that there is a significant lack of content (only one explorable area per planet) and no one gives a damn. They pull that review-copy stunt, and no one gives a damn. They tell everyone to not listen to day one reviews, and no one gives a damn.

I'm just so surprised at how everyone gave them the benefit of the doubt after finding out there was only one area per planet. That would've been the biggest dealbreaker for me. They talked up how each planet would be the size of a Halo game, and how it was going to be the biggest game ever and all this shit. Little did they mention that the majority of each planet is going to be chopped up and thrown at everyone as DLC.

Exaggeration by Bungie. Delusional hype by fans. That's the way i see it.

Used to be so damn excited for this game. They literally described it as my dream shooter. Every time new gameplay came out or a new trailer was shown, i gradually became less excited, to the point where i simply bailed out. Happy i did. Saved me some cash. Maybe Destiny 2, right Bungie?
 
I can't believe IGN U.S didn't get their review up yesterday. It kinda reeks of just waiting to take the temperature of everyone else, to see what you should give it.
 
I'm really torn on what to think about these reviews.

On one hand despite REALLY enjoying the game, the fact that every aspect of the game that isn't art or combat sucks would make it hard for me to give it even 4/5.

That said many of the outlets giving this game 6s/7s basically have given 8s/9s to tons of pieces of garbage so it's weird that this game is the time they decide to actually be serious about review scores.

While I think the reviews have been fair they certainly aren't in relation to other games or even shooters.

A busted frame rate even less content than destiny Titanfall.
A broken for a year+ on consoles battlefield 4.
Watchdogs?
That dumb ass plants vs zombies multiplayer only shooter?

Destiny at 75% on metacritic is probably spot on, but all of the above games should be in the 60s at best in relation if reviews were even semi consistent in the industry.

I have to disagree about Titanfall, I find it far more compelling. Hell, I might like Destiny more if it was exclusively raids and PVP; it'd review better if it was multiplayer only rather than having a laughable singleplayer/missions.

edit: to be more clear, Destiny does lots of things, some of it pretty badly. Titanfall has far less in it, but what it does is god damn excellent and IMO better than Destiny. It destiny stripped out the repetitive bullshit and left multiplayer intact I think we'd have a better reviewing game on our hands here.
 
I really enjoy Destiny, it may be one of my favorite games this year. The only problem I have is that I have only been playing off and on for a few days and I'm almost level 16 out of 20, and those ten soft levels seem really easy to hit. I know this game is the foundation for what is to come, but I can't help but think that they withheld too much content for expansions. It feels more like a $40 game or a F2P hub like DC Universe.
 
I have to disagree about Titanfall, I find it far more compelling. Hell, I might like Destiny more if it was exclusively raids and PVP; it'd review better if it was multiplayer only rather than having a laughable singleplayer/missions.

Thats an interesting argument. Do you feel that multiplayer only games should demand equal price to those that provide both an SP and MP?
 
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