Scottish Independence Referendum |OT| 18 September 2014 [Up: NO wins]

Where do you stand on the issue of Scottish independence?

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Sage00 said:
I agree. There will have to be some compromise, and it will come in the form of losing those opt outs in return for not adopting the Euro. Just my guess though - Scotland will have a pretty decent negotiating team! Salmond, Darling, Brown, Alexander et al..
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Personally, I'd be surprised if the EU compromised on the Euro. There's a lot of political will for the Euro to be adopted throughout the EU, and in it's continued existence/success. But that's up for the negotiations, of course.
 
Oriel said:
You don't find it slightly ironic that you lambast nationalism despite the British being some of the fiercest nationalists out there?
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..The Empire is long gone, it plays no thought in the minds of British people today, in fact the only people who seem bang on about it are foreigners.
 
Uzzy said:
Personally, I'd be surprised if the EU compromised on the Euro. There's a lot of political will for the Euro to be adopted throughout the EU, and in it's continued existence/success. But that's up for the negotiations, of course.
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Scotland would be legally "obliged" to join the Euro, but as Sweden has shown actually adopting the single currency isn't necessary. De Facto Scotland doesn't have to join the Euro.
 
Oriel said:
You don't find it slightly ironic that you lambast nationalism despite the British being some of the fiercest nationalists out there?
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Despite a few fuckwits that have bulldog tattoos, I would say that British nationalism is mostly left inside the stadium of an international football match.
 
DeFiBkIlLeR said:
..The Empire is long gone, it plays no thought in the minds of British people today, in fact the only people who seem bang on about it are foreigners.
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I never mentioned the Empire. Do you not find it funny for British nationalists who proudly wave their miniature Union flags outside Buck Palace at the arrival of Will and Kate slamming Scottish nationalists for wanting their own nation? The British are some of the most fervent nationalists on the planet.
 
Oriel said:
Scotland would be legally "obliged" to join the Euro, but as Sweden has shown actually adopting the single currency isn't necessary. De Facto Scotland doesn't have to join the Euro.
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The point is irrelevant, Scotland wouldn't get within a hundred miles of the Euro, as it doesn't meet any of the financial criteria to even apply.
 
MilkyJoe said:
Despite a few fuckwits that have bulldog tattoos, I would say that British nationalism is mostly left inside the stadium of an international football match.
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As we have seen with the rise of UKIP, morons who droll over the Mail, Express and Sun newspapers and whingers banging on about bloody immigrants this is clearly not true.
 
DeFiBkIlLeR said:
The point is irrelevant, Scotland wouldn't get within a hundred miles of the Euro, as it doesn't meet any of the financial criteria to even apply.
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Do you work for the ECB? Lithuania is join in January, so obviously Scotland could join in a few years down the line after ridding itself of the insane effects of BOE and Treasury stupidity.
 
Oriel said:
I never mentioned the Empire. Do you not find it funny for British nationalists who proudly wave their miniature Union flags outside Buck Palace at the arrival of Will and Kate slamming Scottish nationalists for wanting their own nation? The British are some of the most fervent nationalists on the planet.
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Has that been your experience? I mean, aside from our resident loon her DeFib? Have you experienced people "Slamming Scottish nationalists for wanting their own nation"? Because I haven't, and I live in the place with all the British nationalists.
 
Oriel said:
As we have seen with the rise of UKIP, morons who droll over the Mail, Express and Sun newspapers and whingers banging on about bloody immigrants this is clearly not true.
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Unfortunately the tattooed fraternity is on the rise, but add all of the population that vote for different parties or do not vote at all, and I assure you the numbers are rather insignificant
There is a big difference between being concerned about immigration when you live on an over populated island with a housing crisis and voting for a Nazi party.
 
Oriel said:
Scotland would be legally "obliged" to join the Euro, but as Sweden has shown actually adopting the single currency isn't necessary. De Facto Scotland doesn't have to join the Euro.
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Sweden is obliged to adopt the Euro, and meets all the criteria except membership in the ERM, which it refuses to join, following a referendum regarding adoption of the Euro. That's tolerated for the moment within the EU and the ECB, but I'd be surprised if iScotland could get out of joining the Euro, at least without some serious political costs. The EU saying to a new member state that you can join the EU without accepting the Euro would be quite shocking, and have repercussions for future enlargement.
 
Sage00 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yprh8ElXgbU#t=1m5s

Err.. yeah..
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This is part of my playlist when I use Great Britain in EU4.

This is going to be a monumental vote as Catalans are also paying close attention. Two days...

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RedShift said:
What happens to that money Betfair paid out if there's a Yes vote anyway? Do they ask for it back or do they just take the hit?
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Haha they can't ask for it back of course. What if you've spent it? They just take the hit. It's obviously not a big deal to them and they predict they'll make more on the publicity, doubly so if they're right and it's a no anyway.
 
RedShift said:
What happens to that money Betfair paid out if there's a Yes vote anyway? Do they ask for it back or do they just take the hit?
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It's not the first time that bookies have done this kind of thing - famously, BetFred has twice paid out early on Man United winning the Premier League before the final day, only to be forced to pay out yet again when a different team won the title instead.
 
Empty said:
it's not even a good mobbing. he just says some platitudes and some people raise their voices to bleat aimlessly in the background.

this is pretty much quintessential uk politics. even the thick of it had to spruce things up to make the lack of drama and fundamental dreariness and mediocrity watchable.
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He can't even get mobbed properly smh
 
According to the BBC here:

The Electoral Commission, the organisation that oversees elections, has told us there are 4,285,323 million people registered to vote in the referendum.
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Yep. Four and a bit trillion people in Scotland. Five hundred times the world population.

I bet they've all got postal ballots too.
 
Sir Fragula said:
New Statesman reckons the devo-maxipad vows are already unravelling...

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/leaders-vow-power-scotland-already-unravelling
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Text doss not match the headline. It is a bunch of back bench Tories moaning. If all three parties agree on something then the whips have more than enough support to steam roll anything through.

It might be a desperate last minute concession they never wanted to give - but if Labour especially ever want another Scottish vote then they would have to deliver on any rash promises they have made.
 
Mix up of results causing much silliness on Twitter.

Apparently everyone's favourite living President (
Bill
) has come out in support of the No camp along with Obama, but that's hardly surprising.

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Opinum apparently has the same result, 52 No, 48 Yes (excluding DKs)

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Labour are going to cancel their party conference if there's a Yes vote apparently, to deal with the inevitable shitstorm and recall of parliament and no confidence votes etc.
 
These results are looking very comfortable for No, all things considered. It will be a massive fuck up by the pollsters if anything else happens on the day.

And I think it will - it'll never end up this close. People will be decisive, whichever way it swings.
 
Not exactly comfortable with that lead, but will take it over the alternative!

There's a 3% margin of error in any one individual poll anyway isn't there? So looking at any one poll is pretty pointless. You need to average out a whole bunch of polls.
 
The massive amount of 'Don't Knows' at this stage is ridiculous. I actually would prefer to think these are 'Shy No' voters rather than the alternative, a complete failure of the democratic process with people going into a ballot box not knowing what they're doing.
 
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