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[Downhome]

Just saw this on the news...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/australian-leader-warns-planned-random-attack-25585654

Police on Thursday said they thwarted a plot to carry out beheadings in Australia by supporters of the radical Islamic State group. They detained 15 people and raided more than a dozen properties across Sydney, though nine of those brought in were freed before the day was over.

The raids involving 800 federal and state police officers — the largest in the country's history — came in response to intelligence that an Islamic State group leader in the Middle East was calling on Australian supporters to kill, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said.

Abbott was asked about reports that the detainees were planning to behead a random person in Sydney.

They were plotting to kidnap random people in Sydney and behead them, and they were planning on doing it soon. Great job by the authorities in Australia. It's still very scary to imagine that this was being planned there. I am not shocked however, since I assume they are at least attempting to plan things such as this in many places around the world.

How is Australian media covering this today?

 

[Komo]

It was all over the news here, and I was quite afraid to leave the house out of paranoia.
I have an American accent, so I naturally think I'm somewhat of a slightly bigger target. <_<

 

[ZeroX03]

*salutes*

 

[Diablos]

Oh man. Views of domestic terrorism are going to change (and for the worse when it comes to civil liberties I fear) in the western world when people feel as though they will be worried about getting their own heads lobbed off.

Given that Australia's efforts here are pretty unprecedented it's definitely an unsettling scenario that required such a sense of cooperation and urgency across your country.

Hats off to you guys, though -- here in the US no one feels safe without magical fairydust bombing raids and boots on the ground in lands far, far away.

 

[EricTheCleric]

It was all over the news here, and I was quite afraid to leave the house out of paranoia.
I have an American accent, so I naturally think I'm somewhat of a target. <_<

Daesh had planned to do the same thing in Norway this summer. Film attacks and murders of random civilian targets.

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/utrikes/planerad-terror-mot-civila-i-norge_3931268.svd

 

[backflip10019]

Amazing that they were able to thwart the attack. This is a scary world we're living in.

 

[Randy Monk]

I work in the Sydney CBD and this was all we talked about today at work.

The plan was to grab a random person in the CBD and behead them. That is absolutely terrifying and brazen. The CBD is always packed with people but you could go a few streets without seeing any cops.

 

[jamesinclair]

Was this a real plot, or was it like when the FBI convinces someone to bomb something, gives them fake bombs, and then arrests then so that they can claim a dangerous victory?

 

[Omni]

Makes me nervous.

 

[Downhome]

All of you guys over there, be safe. Heck, to everyone here please be safe around the world.

If they actually successfully plan more events like this, even if they are unable to follow through with it, then the entire world will change. If, God forbid, they are able to do something like this even once then I can't even imagine how things may change.

This is just one of the many reasons that we must not delay on handling these subhuman barbarians.

 

[ElectricKaibutsu]

I just don't get this whole thing. What the heck is the point of beheading people? How does that further their cause?

 

[EricTheCleric]

I just don't get this whole thing. What the heck is the point of beheading people? How does that further their cause?

Terror

 

[Escape Goat]

Crikey! Good on you, mates. Time for some fairy floss for all.

 

[BowieZ]

What evidence is there that this was actually a legitimate plot?

 

[norinrad]

Christ, when does the madness end?

I just wish people would just go back to having a nice job, a nice place to live and a cute little wife to f**k her brains out and just enjoy life.

This is not asking much is it?

 

[aygomyownroad]

Good on the Authorities over in Australia!

Top job!

 

[lexi]

What evidence is there that this was actually a legitimate plot?

Yeah this whole thing has me feeling very cynical. This is a government that is flagging heavily in public support, it seems convenient that turrurists spring up all of a sudden.

 

[Resilient]

Crikey! Good on you, mates. Time for some fairy floss for all.

This post is stink level for you. Step up your game

Spoiler

cobber

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Yeah this whole thing has me feeling very cynical. This is a government that is flagging heavily in public support, it seems convenient that turrurists spring up all of a sudden.

Really?? REALLY? Libs can be bad but this is some tin foil level cynicism.

Lol at springing up all of a sudden. Yep. Cause we don't hear about it and then terror plots get stopped, the terrorists must have appeared out of my magical shoe.

 

[theechrisfox]

I just don't get this whole thing. What the heck is the point of beheading people? How does that further their cause?

They want to control every Muslim in the world, and the decapitations are punishments to people who are Western or educated outside of Islamic teachings. I think thats how I understand it... their motives sure aren't very clear though with these random terror plots.

 

[Apt101]

Man. That's like the plot of some television show. Scary stuff.

 

[BowieZ]

Yeah this whole thing has me feeling very cynical. This is a government that is flagging heavily in public support, it seems convenient that turrurists spring up all of a sudden.

I'm scared of raising the prospect in fear of being called a loon like I have in the past when supportive of Ron Paul

Really?? REALLY? Libs can be bad but this is some tin foil level cynicism.

Bingo...

 

[Patently Right]

Saw the news earlier on TV. I do wonder what they obtained in the raids.

 

[Aiii]

Seriously, even imagining beheading a person, let alone some random person I don't know nothing about just because some religious leader across the world told me to is impossible to wrap my head around.

How do you even get to that mindset? You just have to be all kinds of fucked up.

I can somewhat imagine if you're completely brainwashed one on one by a radical Iman that you'd be able to accomplish an act like that, but in a different country, where life is inherently good, where you have the security of a job/money/social safety? How do you get from that to "I must brutally kill you in the worst way imaginable because you don't believe in what I believe in"? How does that happen?

 

[chicagocubsfan]

Damn this kind of stuff is scary.

 

[-duskdoll-]

For the people who don't know: thwarted = prevent something

 

[Escape Goat]

This post is stink level for you. Step up your game

Spoiler

cobber

.



Really?? REALLY? Libs can be bad but this is some tin foil level cynicism.

Lol at springing up all of a sudden. Yep. Cause we don't hear about it and then terror plots get stopped, the terrorists must have appeared out of my magical shoe.

Lets go get a coldie after yakka.

 

[Downhome]

Saw the news earlier on TV. I do wonder what they obtained in the raids.

On the report I saw on TV, which led to me searching for news on it online, they said they had found various swords and other such tools, as well as other items of interest.

This isn't just out of the blue, so I don't get all of the conspiracy talk. I have been hearing for weeks, if not months, that there was a fairly decent size of Australian citizens that have either left to fight for ISIS in Iraq and Syria or have remained in Australia to do their best to spread support for ISIS there. I have no doubts that we will hear of more things like this sooner rather than later, and not just in Australia.

 

[Yrael]

What evidence is there that this was actually a legitimate plot?

This is all the information that's been given so far:

"Fairfax Media understands police will allege planning had begun to kidnap a random person from the streets of Sydney's CBD, behead them and drape them in the Islamic State flag.

Police have not yet publicly commented on the alleged plot, but say it will be outlined in court later on Thursday."

---

"Mr Abbott said he was briefed on intelligence that public beheadings were planned.

"The exhortations, quite direct exhortations, were coming from an Australian who is apparently quite senior in ISIL to networks of support back in Australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country," he said.

"So this is not just suspicion, this is intent and that's why the police and security agencies decided to act in the way they have.""

--

"The court heard the evidence took the form of one intercepted phone call between May 8 and September 18 to which Mr Azari was a party."
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/live...cross-sydney-and-brisbane-20140918-3fzkq.html

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-arrested-in-terrorist-raids-appears-in-court-20140918-10imfp.html

 

[BowieZ]

This is all the information that's been given so far:

"Fairfax Media understands police will allege planning had begun to kidnap a random person from the streets of Sydney's CBD, behead them and drape them in the Islamic State flag.

Police have not yet publicly commented on the alleged plot, but say it will be outlined in court later on Thursday."

---

"Mr Abbott said he was briefed on intelligence that public beheadings were planned.

"The exhortations, quite direct exhortations, were coming from an Australian who is apparently quite senior in ISIL to networks of support back in Australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country," he said.

"So this is not just suspicion, this is intent and that's why the police and security agencies decided to act in the way they have.""

--

"The court heard the evidence took the form of one intercepted phone call between May 8 and September 18 to which Mr Azari was a party."
​

http://www.smh.com.au/national/live...cross-sydney-and-brisbane-20140918-3fzkq.html

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-arrested-in-terrorist-raids-appears-in-court-20140918-10imfp.html

Thanks.

I personally expect the evidence to be weak. And acted upon aggressively for the sake of show... but I hope to be proven wrong (so to speak).

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

Yeah this whole thing has me feeling very cynical. This is a government that is flagging heavily in public support, it seems convenient that turrurists spring up all of a sudden.

There's nothing "convenient" about growing support for IS internationally. They are rolling around the Arabian peninsula conquering cities and inflicting their disgusting regressive agenda on the local populaces. A number of sympathetic Muslims from western nations are well known to have traveled there to join them. It is not far fetched that some of them might be involved in plans to take action domestically too. Please don't forget that IS is originally an offshoot of AQ, who as I'm sure you're aware have committed a pretty famous terrorist attack in a western country.

I hate Tony as much as the next guy but you are implying here is a pretty fucking serious allegation.

 

[Renta]

Terror

And then what?

 

[THRILLH0]

Going to watch the Swans spank the Kangas tomorrow night and I'm expecting a full cavity search on the way in.

Yeah this whole thing has me feeling very cynical. This is a government that is flagging heavily in public support, it seems convenient that turrurists spring up all of a sudden.

For fucks sake.

 

[Downhome]

Imagine just being an innocent citizen in Iraq, Syria, or any of those countries, and having to live with this sort of fear almost every single day. I don't understand how ISIS has been allowed to get as big as they are in the first place. I also don't understand the complete overall purpose of things like this plot. I mean, I get that the point at first glance is to terrorize people. What confuses me is that surely they realize that if they start doing things like this in other parts of the world that it will just turn everyone against them. If they want to expand, why don't they just do it "quietly" in the region and leave the rest of the world out of it for the time being? Why just instantly try to get everyone else around the world already interested in coming in to destroy you?

Maybe ISIS will ultimately be the force that brings the rest of the world together for the sole purpose of destroying them. That's where they are heading.

 

[Aiii]

And then what?

Power.

 

[Escape Goat]

Power.

1 Terror
2 Power
3 ????
4 Profit

 

[BowieZ]

It is not far fetched that some of them might be involved in plans to take action domestically

Indeed. It's also not far fetched for other powerful political forces to act in a corrupt self-serving manner.

Which is why I am demanding the evidence.

 

[Rich!]

Kinda glad I dont live in somewhere like London due to shit like this.

Living in rural countryside has its benefits.

 

[Maninthemirror]

There's nothing "convenient" about growing support for IS internationally. They are rolling around the Arabian peninsula conquering cities and inflicting their disgusting regressive agenda on the local populaces. A number of sympathetic Muslims from western nations are well known to have traveled there to join them. It is not far fetched that some of them might be involved in plans to take action domestically too. Please don't forget that IS is originally an offshoot of AQ, who as I'm sure you're aware have committed a pretty famous terrorist attack in a western country.

I hate Tony as much as the next guy but you are implying here is a pretty fucking serious allegation.

but what has ISIS really done rather than fighting Assad regime in Syria, fighting moderates in Syria and fighting incompetent Iraqi forces. Literally they have just rolled over the easiest military targets and they still haven't been able to topple Assad regime where its headquarters technicaly is. If it comes to face one barely competent army, you really think they stand a chance? they will be demolished. they are an extreme fringe group whose fear is only built up by fear itself. Air raids only help with getting rid of bigger equipments they have captured but if they face a barely competent force in the ground or low level flight army regiments, they will be destroyed. The question is why doesn't anyone take them out with one quick force. Look what the Pakistani army (which is a barely competent army when not using nukes) did in 3 months to the Pakistani taliban, they humiliated them so much in the battlefield they have given up arms to do clerical work

This is literally all they control

Syria which is in a civil war and prime to have locations to control and iraq whose soldiers ran away on the first gunshot and where they had presence of structure. Why do you think they haven't moved beyond this region for past 4 months, because they know they will get destroyed and it will take one effort to do it and no one is doing it. I mean they can't even capture kurdish regions which were constantly under Saddam's control how will they go beyond conflict regions like this

 

[sadceph2001]

Horrifying stuff.

 

[SmokyDave]

Good on ya, mates. I'd imagine intelligence services the world over are pretty busy right now.

 

[jorma]

Yeah this whole thing has me feeling very cynical. This is a government that is flagging heavily in public support, it seems convenient that turrurists spring up all of a sudden.

I guess everyone will find out during the trial.

 

[Downhome]

Kinda glad I dont live in somewhere like London due to shit like this.

Living in rural countryside has its benefits.

Yeah really, I feel ya. I live out in the country in SC and I think the same things. I have also been shocked that since 9/11 there haven't been more smaller attacks in smaller towns. Can you imagine if they were able to carry out even small attacks in multiple "small town America" locations at or around the same time? I hate to even imagine what the response of the people would be. It was hysteria here here on 9/11, fear was everywhere and people were thinking at any second something could happen here where we live and there were rumors of this and that having taken place. If it actually happened, it would be crazy.

 

[lexi]

I'm not saying there is definitely no credible threat, I would just like to see the credible evidence.

If I'm wrong then good on the police and here's to four more years!!! AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE

 

[hidys]

Yeah this whole thing has me feeling very cynical. This is a government that is flagging heavily in public support, it seems convenient that turrurists spring up all of a sudden.

That is a pretty fucked up allegation to be making.

I can't stand Abbott either and it is true that these are just allegations but something like this isn't completely out of the question given the growing support for IS by some small very small sections of the community.

 

[BowieZ]

I guess everyone will find out during the trial.

lol

Indeed -- because didn't they just pass a law ensuring people involved in extremist religious groups are assured fair trials?

That is a pretty fucked up allegation to be making.

I can't stand Abbott either and it is true that these are just allegations but something like this isn't completely out of the question given the growing support for IS by some small very small sections of the community.

I think you guys are exaggerating the allegation. At least, I hope what he means is, that the police were instructed to act aggressively even with little evidence. That would be a dangerous line to cross for our free society. And as you say, some things aren't "completely out of the question" especially when it comes to ruling governments, the world over.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I'm not saying there is definitely no credible threat, I would just like to see the credible evidence.

They are being tried in court. So you may get your wish. But if the source is ASIO, phone tapping and so on don't be stunned if you don't get to see the documents with your own eyes.

 

[QP3]

Damn good job Australia. Damn good job.

 

[Jag]

Time to give the guns back to the Aussies.

 

[THRILLH0]

I'm not saying there is definitely no credible threat, I would just like to see the credible evidence.

If I'm wrong then good on the police and here's to four more years!!! AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE

lol

Indeed -- because didn't they just pass a law ensuring people involved in extremist religious groups are assured fair trials?

I'm glad you two are keeping the bastards honest while the rest of us sheeple continue to let the government pull the wool over our eyes amirite?

They are being tried in court. So you may get your wish. But if the source is ASIO, phone tapping and so on don't be stunned if you don't get to see the documents with your own eyes.

OH HOW CONVENIENT HMM?

 

[jorma]

I'm not saying there is definitely no credible threat, I would just like to see the credible evidence.

It's a valid point. Swedish police did this earlier this month (and yes, two weeks before the election). But they were very vague about pretty much everything except that they had stopped two terrorist attempts.
When asked questions about the trials they were all "yeah well we couldn't try them in court because we didn't actually have any evidence".

This seems a lot more detailed so i reckon there will be a trial.