Dude, I never said its wrong to enjoy the game. I enjoyed games with way worse average scores. All what I'm saying is that it most likely wouldn't have even remotly caused these waves without the gigantic marketing campaign. Neither negatively nor positively.
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Dude, I never said its wrong to enjoy the game. I enjoyed games with way worse average scores. All what I'm saying is that it most likely wouldn't have even remotly caused these waves without the gigantic marketing campaign. Neither negatively nor positively.
Zombie James
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That Angry Joe review. Damn, I think he nailed it.
speculawyer
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Well . . . he certainly lives up to his name.
well... he died in some sort of mass exodus TO the cosmodrome in russia? or something...
maybe just office worker from russia? ..exo office worker...
Angry Joe nails it again, as he does almost all the time.
superNESjoe
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As a former reviewer and news writer, Angry Joe and his popularity infuriates me. It took less than a minute for his review to have false information, spewing the over-used misinformation that Destiny had a development busget of 500 million dollars.
He is unprofessional and regularly articulates his thoughts in a poor manner. His information is thin and he minimizes much of the content he discusses.
Does he make good points from time to time? Sure, but then again so do most of us. I just hate his reviews and the attitude he has towards the gaming industry and media.
He is unprofessional and regularly articulates his thoughts in a poor manner. His information is thin and he minimizes much of the content he discusses.
Does he make good points from time to time? Sure, but then again so do most of us. I just hate his reviews and the attitude he has towards the gaming industry and media.
PrivateWHudson
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I'm okay with it if that turns out to be the case, but I fear the content is being held back for DLC. I'll happily eat my words if the Seraphim Vault, and the Jovian Complex open up pre-DLC. Also, a few areas on other planets. Maybe when they open the Iron Banner area (you know, the huge room with one dude in it), there will be a weapon shader vendor behind the door! I see a ton of detail, and locked/scraped options breaking through the surface of the game, I'm just not going to play the "maybe in the next DLC" game.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Actually, that room is opening up for the Queen's Wrath. Seems to be more of a general-purpose events space rather than an Iron Banner only thing.
PrivateWHudson
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Oh, I thought people were saying that they thought the Queen's Wrath would be behind the door where Xur was chilling this weekend.
Also, what happened to the whole thing where they have a team dedicated to adding something new to the game every day? They couldn't have been talking about the daily story mission could they? I can't imagine a whole team dedicated to flipping some modifier switches.
Really?
Looks close enough to me, even if it's not all developmental costs. The point was they spent a ton on this game and have little to show for it. Even if it's half that number, it's still one of the most expensive games ever made. It's still lacking content. You being frustrated about the number he quotes and the context doesn't suddenly put more content into Destiny, or make his point any less valid.
.... he's a youtuber. What exactly are your expectations of someone uploading what is essentially their opinion?
He swears and goes on rants, sure, but that's sort of his shtick. The actual points he brings up are usually pretty measured and fair. He praised the game for the PvP, and the early progression. Then slammed it for everything other lukewarm reviews have.
Hawk269
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This is the first Angry Joe review that I watched, I normally don't read or watch a lot of reviews, but damn did he hit the nail on the head. While I am enjoying the game, actually enjoying it a lot, it does have a lot of glaring issues that coming from Bungie is shocking to me.
Content is the paramount issue for me. I just can't imagine why they would create all these planets, yet only let you explore a extremely small percentage of each planet..with the worst offending being Earth.
There are a lot of great things about the game, me and many friends feels we are playing Halo with a loot system and less vehicles. Encounters are very (identical) to the Halo games, which does not surprise me too much. However, for me, I wish the content that you get out of the box was a bit more. Even if they had one more area to each planet would of made a world of difference to the game and the content, which would of allowed a bit more story telling and a sense of being a massive game.
I feel like they could have avoided a lot of problems by being up front with people about what to expect in the game's initial release. They let the public's imagination run wild that this was some massive game, when in fact it's maybe half the size of Borderlands 2 in content. The loot and gear systems in this game do not appeal to me at all. Let's face it, they designed the game to be played over and over like Diablo, but what kept me doing that in Diablo was loot.
superNESjoe
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First and foremost, note that I didn't specifically mention anything regarding Destiny beyond the false quote regarding its budget. Don't mistake my frustration with Angry Joe to have any sort of deeper meaning regarding my feelings about Destiny.
The Destiny cost is estimated to be 500 Million for the entire franchise, not the game that was just released. That's the estimated cost of the franchise over ten years. That is very common information and easy to find from numerous sources via a quick something search.
Yes, he's a YouTuber, but he is still an internet personality of reasonable popularity that covers the industry I am a part of. I can not like him or his material. There are tons of content producers on YouTube that are very professional and produce high-quality content. Being on YouTube doesn't mean you have to lower your standards.
I get that the angry rants are his shtick, but I don't find them funny. I honestly don't believe that Joe himself thinks they are a shtick 100% of the time either. It's not like Boogie where you can really tell he's just playing a character, Joe's extension in interviews and on Twitter portrays him much in the same way he portrays his "character" in reviews.
I don't like him, I don't find his reviews to have much more merit than any everyday forum poster. I don't find his knowledge of the game industry to be anywhere near high enough for me to bother with his opinions on it. He's a passionate content producer that is going to be held-back in the long run by his attitude and persona.
Again, that has very little do with Destiny. The only reason I vented about it is because
1. His review is being brought up in this thread and discussed alongside other reviews and
2. It's a forum where we can discuss our opinions.
You can't argue Michael Bay hasn't changed and influenced the modern blockbuster action movie or even cinema as a whole.
Its OK. I think RE4 was crap and ruined the franchise. I also can understand that it was a major hit with people and influenced the industry, a lot.
RiotRhythm
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Joe made a really good point considering the "story". The
- one of the ONLY plot points - is just a tie-in for the Queen's wrath DLC.
I don't think I'm down to shell out the cash for DLC over a ten year period..
sections in which you interact with the Queen
I don't think I'm down to shell out the cash for DLC over a ten year period..
Me too. There also needs to be more items that tell their own tales about The fall scattered in the world. I'm thinking FO3 sub plots, or the diaries and scribblings you find in TLOU. Something that rewards spelunking every corner and adds to the lore and world.
I get the feeling the story was something Activision demanded and pushed, and Bungie didn't nessesarily plan for till later. There's really little need for a character driven plot if the rest was done right.
bananafactory
Banned
Just finished the campaign - one of the most disappointing experiences I can think of lately. Maybe I just had unrealistic expectations, but the missions were terrible and repetitive, the story was paper thin, nothing was really explained and then it just ends. I'll do some strikes with friends but I really don't feel compelled to keep playing this game.
He freaking nailed it
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Another great review Joe, keep it up!
Death Metalist
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I knew something went wrong when Martin O'Donnell was fired from Bungie. No wonder Destiny's soundtrack is better than the game lol.
Poodlestrike
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In all fairness, Queen's Wrath is free.
There's no new missions, and probably no new story content, but you don't have to pay for it.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Damn, didn't realize this thread had gotten so long.
Yes, though I don't particularly share his enthusiasm for the PvP.
PrivateWHudson
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I think he was referring tho this:
House of Wolves is the second confirmed DLC for Destiny.[1] It will involve hunting the Fallen members of the House of Wolves who have betrayed the Queen of the Reef.[2][3][4]
Rabid Wolverine
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Angry Joes review nails it.
Regarding the campain mode this is pathetic from Bungie.
Completing the first level I got vibes of empire strikes back when the Falcon escapes from Hoth. Shit the direction looks good, things gonna pick up. Total opposite.
Regarding the campain mode this is pathetic from Bungie.
Completing the first level I got vibes of empire strikes back when the Falcon escapes from Hoth. Shit the direction looks good, things gonna pick up. Total opposite.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
blankempathy
Member
Glad you took time out of your day to tell us you don't like him. I mean honestly who cares. If we only accept reviews from so called "professionals" then we're limiting ourselves. Instead of turning up our nose to someone why not take some of the valid points and use that information to assess if Destiny is the game for you?
Angry Joe is a gamer. What the hell is a 'professional reviewer', and why should I be interested on his opinion? Joe's opinion often matches mine, and that is the reason I hear him. A lot of people apparently are in the same boat, and in my humble opinion, he pretty much nails it in his review.
Wasn't the $500 million figure pretty much confirmed by Activision? It was supposed to include marketing expenses and may carry over more than the first game, and I know Bungie said the development budget itself was much lower, but that still makes Destiny an extremely expensive game, in the Call of Duty vein. Joe perhaps didn't have the data, but his sentiment was spot on. You don't go to Joe for journalism, but for an opinion.
And by the way, there is nothing I despise more than professional opinions from people whose profession is none other than having opinions. I want to hear your opinion if you are a gamer with similar tastes as mine, or if you work professionally at the industry (because you'll have interesting insights around your field of work). Otherwise, I am not interested, so you can imagine my opinion about 'professional' media outlets, web sites, and writers. In the future, I hope to see more Angry Joes being popular and less IGNs and Kotakus.
josecitoxnyo
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Angry joe review is all what people needs to understand this game, everything else is crap with a lot of make up.
Brillant.
Brillant.
SlowRevolution
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joe's review was beautiful
Actually, this is wrong. On the eve of Destiny's release, Roy Stackhouse, General Manager for Activision UK & Ireland, was asked about the $500 million and he answered with this:
CVG said:
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$500 million obviously didn't all go into development of the game, but the cost of the entire project, which will include marketing and such, will end up costing Activision $500 million.
superNESjoe
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Its not about the content of the persons opinion, but the manner in which they present it and the accuracy in which they present the material.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion and who they trust when getting their industry information. I choose to trust people with professional experience that provide accurate information. As stated Joe makes good points because he is a passionate gamer, but his reviews and videos often lack information a small amount of research could gather.
Completely agreed. I really don't get why this guy thinks his opinion, because he was a "professional reviewer", is worth more than Angry Joe's or anybody else's. I also don't understand why he is calling Angry Joe unprofessional. Just a really odd post.
SlowRevolution
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as a forumer it really bothers me when people start a sentence with "as a"
I think that's a huge part of the Destiny negativity. They sold customers on a completely different game than they delivered. I would love to show the devs those clips and just ask them what the hell happened to that game they were talking about.
I'm not sure about the arrogance or false advertising people have been mentioning but they sure as hell didn't deliver the game they were talking about in those clips.
CassidyIzABeast
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Angry Review was a roast session.
superNESjoe
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For what it's worth I merely said why I don't like his content, not why any of you shouldn't like him.
Edit: First sentence was kind of douchy, apologies.
Edit: First sentence was kind of douchy, apologies.
Not everyone acts rationally.
I was reading about casinos and someone was talking about the slot machine players. Apparently some players spend 20+ continuous hours in the same chair. The topper of the story was the staff finding Solo cups filled with urine. If something has a person so hooked they are pissing in Solo cups, that doesn't sound like they are just having fun.
Really? Lamenting about his popularity and then bridging it with his supposed 'unprofessonalism' is just talking about why you don't like him?
Right...
superNESjoe
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Really. Those are the reasons I don't like his content, so I expressed them. I didn't say anyone else shouldn't like him but I did say that's why his popularity bothers me personally.
Yes please put the grimoire in game. Reading the cards in an app sucks. My legendary and exotics please no blues. I could give two shits about extra space ships. There are already plenty in game.
NullPointer
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Or people are trying to unlock/randomly roll/earn enough currency/rep to acquire legendaries or exotics with the hope that it opens up something really fun.
Long progressions and grinds have a way of extending playtimes - that's what they're designed to do.
spot on review. i agreed with everything even tho i'm still enjoying parts of it. the grind really is a pain.
That would mean they are grinding for the raid right? There really isnt anything else to grind for. Being that the raid is super niche and the fact that people are playing for four hours at time on average im going to go with having fun.
I would grind on diablo 3 at launch and i couldnt stand more than an hour at a time. Grinding isnt fun.
The gameplay is destiny is far more engaging than a 2000 mmo. Not even close. Luckily for destiny the gameplay is great so the grind isnt bad if you play with friends and do things you enjoy. Im not one of those people that stand in a cave bc they deem that the optimal way of progression. Its against the design of the game and boring. I, like most people, play to have fun. If i stop having fun I turn it off.
At least those grind games had social interaction and communities to balance out the tedium.
I would have never stuck around for games like Ragarok Online, if the social interaction was as limited as in Destiny.
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