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Destiny |OT5| New patch out Tues., Master Rahool reportedly crying into his robes
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MADGAME
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I like the idea, I think many would still complain - I only play solo. I don't have a group, etc. Raid is the endgame though, so I feel there should at least be some guaranteed rewards tied to leveling.
or faction rep...
BreezyLimbo
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Don't be disingenuous. I already covered it, but in WoW you may not get anything but someone is guaranteed to get an upgrade(Until you've done the raid so much that you either move on to heroic, or bring in fresh blood). In Destiny, nobody in your group is guaranteed anything because they're personal loot streams. When I did the raid, only 2 people got legendaries through the first 3 bosses. Instead of each boss guaranteeing a drop, only 1 person got a sniper rifle, and only 1 person got a scout rifle through the first 3 bosses. Alot of people would get discouraged coming back to it.
And it's why WoW introduced the token system-There were so many classes that it's easier to funnel the tier gear into a drop that multiple people have a chance of getting.
Victory Red
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So the Queen's Emmisary stand only has Blue weapons for sale.
So the only way to get Purple's is to do her missions?
I've literally gotten a helmet every single time.
So the only way to get Purple's is to do her missions?
I've literally gotten a helmet every single time.
My snark aside, this is how I feel too. It's truly unfortunate. Halo was the reason I got an OG Xbox.
Do them and see if you like the stats anyway. Why not. Nothing else to do.
yeah that's kind of a big deal
especially after bungie was so hard up on not dictating rewards based on performance
too bad. better git gud (but only because we don't know what else to do in response to this growing problem which stems from a nonsensical loot system - and no, we're not pulling our heads from our asses either. our ideas are perfect)
PanicFreak
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I think this is about respecting the player's time. Drop rates in this game don't give any indication that Bungie respects your time.
SirMossyBloke
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Most people wont be playing for end mission rewards after their first run. They'll be playing for the drops. Its obvious why they did this, to stop the exploits, but its affecting everyone.
They should've increased the likelihood of getting something good at the end of the mission at the same time then. Because after going through the strike playlist yesterday, all I was getting were level 18 blues.
Goodacre0081
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sorry i edited my post to include some positive changes that we can experience today and not "some time later this year"
that phrase has become synonymous with this game
engram drops and end mission rewards are not the same thing. your rewards for finishing will be unchanged whether you died or not.
It was already in the game, hence the "fixed in 1.0.1.4" part. I suspect it is some minor drop suppression for a short window after a hard wipe to cut back on the cliff-diving farm method.
I wish there were a 6v6 version also...going into a 3v3 match with randoms don't end well.
Not respecting Lt. Daniels?
That's a demerit.
I never get tired of hearing Broyles. I also love Lord Shaxx, I don't care what anyone says.
Dropped Engrams. Not mission completion engrams.
They want to stop in-mission death farming which was having bad effects when three players enter a strike and 1 or 2 want to do stupid death farming, the other 1 or 2 just want to finish the strike normally.
The main problem is Bungie is giving lots of vinegar and very little honey. The whole one to two months away in their message was not encouraging in the least.
Xamtheking
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There was a time when caves were much more powerful.
Goodbye Cave...
Greetings Guardian...
There was a time when caves were much more powerful...
Guardians from all around would gather there to seek out very powerful gear...
There must be a way to bring it back, we can not give up hope...
The Darkness is coming, we will not survive it this time...
When you go into a no respawn zone, and you die and get that countdown screen that everyone else has died and you respawn. If it was before a boss you would have to fight your way through the mobs again. This second, third, fourth....x time those mobs will not drop (or lower) the chance of dropping loots.
backflip10019
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lol WOW I didn't even consider that. I'd be so pissed if after a tough strike where you had to wipe, you get nothing. Absolutely fucking insane.
SkylineRKR
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Bungie needs to fix Strike rewards for sure. The sole reason I don't play them much is because of time/reward. I get More marks for doing a short and easy PE. And I think those assassination patrols give the same amount of Rep (25).
Just like anything else, those unhappiest, even if a small group, will be the loudest.
Those of us who enjoy the game more broadly will never even notice this change
If they fuck up Iron Banner, I'm done until next expansion.
TheCanisDirus
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I think i'll be right there with you... lol fucking hell.
Evil Beaver
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Just have 1 character with high rank vanguard & crucible rep, as well as whatever currency they use. Then just use the vault to transfer items between Guardians.
..at least until they fix that.
Honestly, this is my only concern. Treasure Cave should've been dealt with before now., but, whatever.
HOWEVER....The lack of foresight to see what we'd do with the Queen's Wrath Event is honestly staggering. It's incompetent.
Bring me with you
.As I mentioned above, Dax, this makes them look incompetent / like shit. If someone is making me a steak and overcooks / messes it up, I don't give them credit for admitting it, I look upon them in a disapproving light and trust them less for steak #2.
Great news, but what is underlying it is horrible news. They're playing it off like a bug. As if it wasn't intended. Like the glimmer nerf, sorry, difficulty nerf.
It screams PR spin. It's not like they haven't played these Strikes. They know how much HP these things have and how much damage per bullet occurs!
I bet you this is exactly what will happen.
Honestly? I'm worried, but we can still buy items for marks and dismantle. For now....
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Patch fall out issues. Depending upon what you're doing, if you wipe on a mission early enough, you're now motivated to treat it like Nightfall, return to Orbit, and try again. That is a "bad thing".
Also, are Patrols considered "missions"? i.e., if I die on Patrol, should I also return to Orbit and restart?
The funny thing is this once again does nothing but frustrate people who actually are doing the queen missions for an actual drop(like the helmet) as now every time the game rolls them the chest they don't need, it was a total waste of time.
Like. Jeez.
Xamtheking
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everyday math
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Well that's what I got....>_>
Don't think so...
I was thinking of a work around, I could just use the queen gear and dismantle the legendaries I already have.
Depends on how it looks/stats If I do this.
I was going to do them anyway, cause they seemed somewhat challenging.
I've never farmed the cave, I'm complaining there's no reason to do the queens missions because there is no reason for players who are higher level.
This is an ongoing event for 2 weeks. You could of had an interesting and exciting event for 2 weeks; even if each legendary you got from it had a %50 chance of dropping a shard, it would still be worth it and we would still do the bounties. Now it's only exciting for level 20 players for the one day they do them, and that's it.
They patched it because they want it to take longer for players to level up, and that would be alright if they did it without removing rewards and excitement from their weekly/bi-weekly events.
Just like anything else, those unhappiest, even if a small group, will be the loudest.
Those of us who enjoy the game more broadly will never even notice this change
For the guy you quoted and yourself, and I guess myself as well, once you get raid loot, you're going to be starving for ascendant mats.
SirMossyBloke
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As I said after, they'll be playing for the drops, not the end mission stuff.
Robdraggoo
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Will got no reason to do those missions anymore. No reason to do to the cave, and no incentive to do missions. Tune to do those night falls and raids I can't get my friends to do with me
Haint
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The far future dev notes make no mention of strike rewards, only reducing difficulty. Looks like we're fucked.
This is true. It's more like in Iron Banner you get fucked up by the other players who have probably have better loot and levels than you do.
i fully expect hand cannon headshots to be the theme of iron banner...
but you can't buy armor at vendors for your other characters - only your specific class armor
but you can't buy armor at vendors for your other characters - only your specific class armor
That's GAF.
Wait, this was already nerfed? I thought this was going to happen at some point in the future.
Xamtheking
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Guys, what if Bungie made Exotics/Higher Level Materials soulbound/character-bound and implemented a trading system?
You all seem to be missing the fact that it only effects drops, not end of mission rewards.
This encourages players to play smarter, and adds and actual death penalty. No death penalty makes things incredibly uninteresting. at that point it stops being a game with winners and losers, and it becomes an activity.
fucking hell
First off, I sympathize with everyone who's getting pissed about the shard drops from the Queen's Wrath. I don't agree that you should be getting pissed about it, because basically nothing having to do with a videogame is worth that, but no doubt that was a sweet ass ascendant shard farm and it blows chunks that it's gone.
but oh well. this kind of reaction to anything a developer does, regardless of who it is, what it is, or what game it's for, isn't particularly cute anymore. on the whole, I am thrilled by the contents of these patch notes. almost every single word matches up with my understanding of the game's intended vision. here are my highlights
All of this is very good for the game.
Fucking hell, again.
There are a lot of people out there reading this right now who know that I am talking especially to them when I say the following: Destiny obviously has a long and bright future ahead of it. Keep playing for fun. Take breaks when you feel like it. These are the earliest days of a game we'll be playing for a very long time, probably years. These things will be true regardless of how much hysterical outrage surrounds it.
For now, I am bailing the fuck out of here. This is a mess. I'm an active part of this community not because I love Bungie oh so much and think they can do no wrong and think Destiny is perfect and get butthurt when people criticize my favoritest thing, but simply because I like being a part of a community for a game like this. I like having people to discuss things with when we can't be playing, exchange tips and strategies and information we all may have missed.
I want my presence on neogaf to help people get the most out of this game and purely from a functional perspective that's impossible right now. I'll resume posting when the requisite of "get over it" has happened and things have calmed down. If you notice someone asking for help that can't be completely answered by my guides please have them PM me or send me a message on PSN (hawkian there too).
LollipoPReapeR
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After reading through those notes, I am saddened by the upcoming nerf to the cave experience and AR stability. I do however welcome the increased engram production via strikes as it should be.
I am skeptical about the opt in comms though. Guerrilla Games tried it in KZSF but that failed. Hard. It depends on how they implement it I guess....
Also where does it say that queen isn't giving away anymory ass shards?
I am skeptical about the opt in comms though. Guerrilla Games tried it in KZSF but that failed. Hard. It depends on how they implement it I guess....
Also where does it say that queen isn't giving away anymory ass shards?
More and more starting to think Microsoft keeping them only doing Halo was a smart move. Giving them free reign really is not playing to their strengths.
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