And_Gignac
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I hope he is right. Last NPD thread was rather boring. 
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Pachter Predicts: Xbox One outsold PS4 in September (dance, you puppets)
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SpartanN92
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shadowsdarknes
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It absolutely is desperation. Microsoft is essentially giving away every big new game to get people to buy their console. Thats forgoing a lot of revenue and is not something theyd want to do.
Sony is cruising into this holiday season with a ton of momentum. No price cuts. No free games. And they will still outsell the competition. And thats because they executed their game plan well.
Garrett 2U
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Obviously they'd like to sell the Xbox as is, but I think they're willing to bite the bullet to make the Xbox a bit more relevant this holiday.
And as a gamer, that still isn't a reason why bundled games is a bad precedent. In fact, I wish all consoles came with a game to play right away.
Also, I thought the rumor was that they weren't selling the Xbone at a loss.
I honestly never thought I'd see Biker concerned about Microsoft's financial well-being.
SwiftDeath
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Damn you. It is late at night and yet I have a sudden urge to make a edible hat
BrokenEchelon
Banned
I'm fine with it. Whatever gives me more shit for less or equal money is always welcome. In fact, it would be great for everyone if they start closing the gap. It would kick Sony's ass back into gear.
regenhuber88
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Oh you are forgetting something important, the X1 and PS4 will be around until 2020 at least. If you win a customer now, you get to make money off of him for 6 years (sub + games). And since "all-digital" is the future (the freebie games are downloads not boxes BTW) customers will build a library of digital games.
It is important for MS and Sony to have people buy digital content on their accounts.
Once the next gen comes around it will be hard to switch from Live to PSN if you already have 300 worth of digital content tied to your account.
So giving away a download code per customer is really effective.
Pathfinder
Member
As someone pointed out, once someone buys an Xbox, they buy into the ecosystem. Microsoft would make back up the cost of including free games after a couple years.
And, let's be honest, Sony is coasting, at best, into this holiday season. They may have the more powerful console, but they really have to pull their socks up and get off their ass. The threads regarding PSN problems and lack of solid updates with requested features are increasing in frequency around here.
Effigenius
Member
They executed their game plan really well a year -plus ago. Since then it's been a lot of sitting on their asses. While Microsoft begs gamers to give them another chance Sony charges full price for their bundles, doesn't secure third party exclusives and takes forever to implement OS features that were promised over a year ago. I guess as a first month ps4 owner I don't feel burned because the ps4 prices never dropped the way I might had I bought an xb1 at launch, but in the time since launch I've been pretty underwhelmed by what I've seen from Sony.
SpartanN92
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He's not...for some reason people in this thread actually care which multi-billion dollar company is beating the other in one division of their company.
And now that one of these companies is finally beginning to see success (Perhaps due to a change in policy, image, leadership, and a fantastic fall lineup) people feel the need to invalidate that success because they prefer the other multi-billion dollar company's device.
Human nature and all.
Bitchy snark aside...by Thursday this thread will be epic.
OccamsLightsaber
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There we have it folks, PS4 outsold the X1 for 9 straight months.
Son of Sam
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This is a tough one. I'm not sure MS did outsell it but if they did good for them. The holiday season is going to be a fist fight for sure.
Pancakes R Us
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I love a good GAF meltdown.
Why would you list securing third party exclusives?
metalslimer
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I'm not sure what to think that a pachter predicts thread is bigger than almost every other sales thread besides npd itself.
Miles Quaritch
Member
The PS4 Destiny bundle did indeed do well, but so did the unofficial X1 Destiny bundle.
I could see it being close in the US with the PS4 inching out a win.
It handled it better than the so called "superior" live service and it had double the users, I think some people just spout BS because no one calls them out on it to prove it. Then you also get the people that dont care about sales at all for months on end and now an analyst says the xbox one may have won in just the US for one month and they go ape crap crazy like the tides have turned, they will all go away again when NPD comes out and shows PS4 ahead easily again, and pretend sales dont matter again.
Putting aside the xbox numbers for a second, the PS4 numbers just look unrealistic. Those PS4 numbers are barely August numbers extrapolate out for the 5 weeks in September. August will have had lower numbers due to people waiting in the destiny white bundle, so both August will have been proportionately lower, and September will be proportionately higher.
I agree. People are so gullible.
Hell, users like Aquamarine sure as hell doesn't believe anything Patcher says, either.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yup, I can't see the PS4 selling that low during a month where the big ticket title is primarily marketing on the console.
I think the PS4 will be closer to 325k with the X1 coming in at 300k or slightly above.
Son of Sam
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Seems like some folks are getting salty already and nothing has even been confirmed.
Simply wrong again (...Most probably)
I believe the UK sold a ton of PS4'S because of Destiny and perhaps Fifa sold more PS4'S too (and probably X1s too).
I don't understand why firstly, anyone would trust is predictions, I remember him saying TV and netflix would sell the X1 more than PS4...turned out well didn't it... and secondly, he never makes "safe" predictions. Honestly whatever the general feeling on the Internet has and all the values that support a certain outcome, he says the exact opposite, how does he get paid, honestly. His track record surely isn't good at all. I don't even know a prediction of his that turned out right.
I believe the UK sold a ton of PS4'S because of Destiny and perhaps Fifa sold more PS4'S too (and probably X1s too).
I don't understand why firstly, anyone would trust is predictions, I remember him saying TV and netflix would sell the X1 more than PS4...turned out well didn't it... and secondly, he never makes "safe" predictions. Honestly whatever the general feeling on the Internet has and all the values that support a certain outcome, he says the exact opposite, how does he get paid, honestly. His track record surely isn't good at all. I don't even know a prediction of his that turned out right.
Miles Quaritch
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What happened to Live during Destiny's release?
You've heard of the concept of value adds right?
Adding free games isn't always a sign of desperation. It can often be a sign of there being some room for a price cut but instead of having an actual price cut, games/subs/etc are added.
It's why you're seeing so many great PS4 and X1 bundles in the UK. A PS4 with three free games and a year plus sub for £399.99? Is that a sign of desperation from Sony?.
Or a similar bundle for a similar price from MS?
Come on ms wouldnt be price cutting and tossing in free games if it was leading the ps4. It is what it is and if pachter is right (giggles) the free games and getting a bit desperate might have worked for a month.
Could be for the long term , this position your taking looks like your clutching straws.
Miles Quaritch
Member
I don't agree with calling value adds desperate. They happen all the time, it's not something that's exclusive to the trailing product.
If it were, you wouldn't see similarly or better value bundles for the PS4. They can be seen as a soft way of passing on savings to the consumer while still retaining the base value of the product.
SMOK3Y
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the sad bit is in AU they are giving away XBones with other things I remember when the OGXbox released you could nearly buy a paddle pop & get a free Xbox with it (not quite but not far off)
Psycho_Mantis
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XB1 couldn't outsell PS4 even during the month of Titanfall's release or the month of its price drop, and yet its going to outsell PS4 when the its the month Destiny releases and the month where the white bundle is released.......errr no.
Shining Sunshine
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It's a logical assumption from Pachter, but it doesn't always work.
Microsoft packed in FIFA for free and FIFA sold waaaaaay better for PS4 in UK.
In order for him to be right, all those PS4 Destiny players must already own their console... but we know about that White Bundle so it won't be true.
Microsoft packed in FIFA for free and FIFA sold waaaaaay better for PS4 in UK.
In order for him to be right, all those PS4 Destiny players must already own their console... but we know about that White Bundle so it won't be true.
Ash Sparrow
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An interesting spectacle as to how much stock people seem to have in which console sells the most. Maybe everyone in here does own stock in these companies. Except me
:[ it would be hard to imagine it outselling the PS4, but yeah I kinda want to see how insane things would get if it did. This thread already feels very NPDish.
:[ it would be hard to imagine it outselling the PS4, but yeah I kinda want to see how insane things would get if it did. This thread already feels very NPDish.
Stare-Bear
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And Titanfall would sell 10 million units... jenniferlawrence.gif
orthodoxy1095
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Long term investment is debatable and nebulous. What position am I taking that's clutching straws? Software sales are where money is. The added value is great for a consumer. It's not necessarily great for a company, especially if they end up losing money that would have been better spent on say, advertising.
Because people here are delirious.
Interesting. Seems against all trends - big Sony aligned releases seem to guarantee results.
On the other hand MS have dipped into their war chest to try an undercut tactic showering market with free games and bundles with free games. Obviously a tactic only deployed when you're worried about being so far behind and have money to burn but nonetheless one that can work with consumers.
Would he really predict this without some evidence? On the other hand it seems a pretty big swing against trends.
Guess we'll soon know.
On the other hand MS have dipped into their war chest to try an undercut tactic showering market with free games and bundles with free games. Obviously a tactic only deployed when you're worried about being so far behind and have money to burn but nonetheless one that can work with consumers.
Would he really predict this without some evidence? On the other hand it seems a pretty big swing against trends.
Guess we'll soon know.
freefornow
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Yeah, I remember a console that was given away when you bought the manufacturers TV's and what not.
scoobs
Member
I seriously doubt SO will push many units, kinda seems like that games not gonna do so hot but I could be wrong. MCC will definitely though... if anything can push the XB1 over the hump its that game(s). What does PS4 have to combat MCC? That might be the month. I see it as a HUGE longshot for September though. But hey, Pachter probably knows more than I do so... maybe he's on to something? Logistically, it makes almost no sense.