PS5 Sales Are Outpacing PS4 in the US, Xbox Series X and S Lags Well Behind Xbox One
RetroGamingUK
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There is no story, there’s never a story, he has 3 modes.
1. Promoting Xbox
2. Desperately attempting to shut down bad Xbox news
3. Laughing gifs and emojis when he’s called out on his bullshit.
rm082e
Member
Per Phil's own words, he's not allowed to have the Xbox division be unprofitable. If he has the choice between a single digit profit with a shrinking user base, or making investments in the brand that would put it in the red, he has to stick with the shrinking user base.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
PlayStation and PC are completely different markets.
The next battle is Windows vs Steam.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Well, yeah! The Xbox Series lags substantially behind its predecessor. Not exactly shocking.
Badlucktroll
Member
how long until we have to have xbox chip implanted in wrist……then……YOU ARE THE XBOX
reinking
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Elfstar
Member
I don't really think they are, a lot of enthusiast ex-console gamers have turnet to pc in these past years, pretending the audiences don't overlap it's just what MS and Sony tell themselves when they choose short term profits on Steam rather than keeping their exclusives for themselves. )I'm glad they do thought)
bitbydeath
Gold Member
They’re both very different devices, you may as well be comparing a fridge vs freezer.
Eg. Most people aren’t even buying PC’s to play games.
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Detractors will detractSony and Nintendo are a different market?
Sony and PC are the same market?
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
The question is why. What does he get out of it and why does he do it?
Elfstar
Member
You're delusional
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Really?
You think most people buy PC’s to play games?
Klayzer
Member
No worries. Their on PC's jock now.
Exactly.
I'm not sure what some ppl expect.
It's de ja vue to last gen before the Switch launched. The Wii U causing the console gen to lag behind the previous one.
That said...looking for continuous growth every new gen is impossible. I can't remember the last time a new iPhone outsold the previous one. Or how many times it happened.
Synastry
Member
I don't get you point not every pc sold is a gaming pc my pc isn't a gaming pc.
Horseganador
Member
Xbox was very lucky that there was no PS5 stock for a couple of years, otherwise the difference would be even greater. I don't know how they're going to hold out with the console dying for almost 3 more years. By the time the new Xbox comes out (if it does...) no one will remember the brand.
Elfstar
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I'm saying a lot of people have moved from consoles to PC and it's false that there isn't an overlap
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Donald mac Ronald
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Phil Spender
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
The degree to which there is overlap is largely overstated.
And people also seem to be misunderstanding the evolution of consoles as a platform as we wane out of the PS4 cross-gen era. The PS5 is likely to have a significantly larger cross-gen era with PS6 and we'll probably still see SOME PS6 games that drop on PS4 as well. PlayStation as a platform will start to equate to PC in size and scope of active users after GTA6 launches and game like CoD, EA FC, and Madden become next gen only.
The PlayStation platform last reported an MAU of 134 million users, but we know that the PS5 only has sold about 75 million units. You still have approx. 59 million active PS4 users worldwide. When a game like MHW doesn't drop on PS4, the result is diminished sales as it would relate to PC. PC as a platform is continuously growing without breaks but consoles are becoming more like this.
Kerotan
Member
Yeah let's not forget the ps4 end of life sales suffered massively because of the COVID chip disaster. PS6 won't have this issue unless China Invades Taiwan and the crossgen period should last 5 years.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
They can both play games but how they’re utilised and played is completely different.
Closed Platform vs Open Platform
Games OS vs Business OS
Plug n Play vs Plug n Pray
The only thing they have in common is they both can play games but the reasons and what you need to overcome to play on them are vastly different.
Which is why it’s considered as a different market.
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coachmcguirk91
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Sony was also pretty coy about "we believe in generations" before PS5 launched. I think they'll be much more upfront that the PS6 will play the same games as PS5 for a long duration. Casual gamers are not looking to buy an 800$ console, which should keep the PS5 relevant, while also appeasing hardcore fans
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HeWhoWalks
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I'd say $600. An $800 PS6 (as a mainstream device) would most likely fail.
Also, while most of their games may be cross gen, I expect a few exclusives to showcase the 6's power (probably another Demon's Souls-type of situation).
It's amazing people continue peddling this fantasy even after seeing MH Wilds on Steam cannabalizing PS5 sales, when World had most of its sales on PS4. There is absolutely console to PC movement. MS went all in and found out the hard way. Sony is going half way so far and have been somewhat shielded. But the cracks are showing.
When you give fewer reasons for people to buy your console...fewer people will buy your console. It's not rocket science.
coachmcguirk91
Member
I just don't see chip prices going down in next few years, and that is not factoring in world events that could cripple production. I think the 800$ price tag would be fine at launch, as long as Sony communicates that they will be supporting the PS5 for an extensive length of time. It will be more of a luxury item. Probably once they can sell the PS6 for under 500$ is when they'll look to cut off PS5 generation and appeal to casual gamers
I agree we could finally get Bloodborne Remake, lol. I doubt we get games as big as R&C and Returnal, tho
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Tiago Rodrigues
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That happens when one of those console manufacturers is basically turning into a 3rd party publisher. Somy would never have PS5 to sell like 179M which would be around the number of PS4 + XBO.
Funny how no one mentions the Switch. Nintendo’s most successful console ever.
Sooner
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The Eagles plus the Chiefs scored fewer points combined than previous Super Bowls. Fans in Philadelphia are devastated.
coachmcguirk91
Member
I don't think there is future where Sony ever releases tentpole AAA single-player games day 1 on PC. Especially when both Valve and Microsoft are reportedly developing console/PC hybrid systems. I think there is a very good chance they stop porting all their non-gaas games over in the very near future because they 100% are cannibilizing their userbase
I say this as someone who hopes Sony goes day and date with everything on PC. I would happily ditch my PS5 and paying for PS+ on a monthly basis for a PC/console hybrid. If everything goes day and date, why wouldn't I just get the next Xbox or Valve system that has access to Steam, Gamepass, and Day1 Playstation games? And I wouldn't have to pay for internet? Sony never going to let that happen
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HeWhoWalks
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$800 definitely won't "be fine" at launch and I'm sure Sony knows that.
Mibu no ookami
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The TAM of the high end console market will never be for Sony the combined sales of Xbox and PS. There is overlap there that will simply evaporate from hardware sales although it might present itself in increased software and/or accessories sales.
For me the right price is $599 with Disc drive and 2 Dual sense controller. But I still hope they can still stay with $499 range.
Radical_3d
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Eleven years of Phil management without fuck all exclusives and surprisingly the brand is tanking. But everyone here in GAF keeps telling me that if it were not for GamePass the One would have died. Yep. Money well spend, Philly.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Indeed. $600 is a tad much, but I'm willing to pay it. $800? That's a little ridiculous for a non-Pro console.
BlackTron
Member
Mattrick is a bonafide chump and I don't understand how anyone gives him any credit.
He joined several years into 360, so all the big IP were already put into motion. His main contributions to Xbox are: reacting strongly to Wii with Kinect for 360, and then bundling it with Xbox One for its disaster reveal that killed the brand forever.
sendit
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It's a running joke. A joke heightened by the failures of Phil Spencer. Phil killed the Xbox brand.
Sooner
Member
The Xbox One had a bad launch. It's didn't kill the brand forever, though. Other consoles recovered from much bigger failures than that with a MUCH smaller operating budget than Microsoft gave Xbox.
Phil Spencer killed Xbox. And he didn't do it with a single bad decision, but constant terrible decisions and numerous outright lies that caused all faith to be drained from everyone except their cult of virgins who already ingrained their identity with the brand that they'll never let go.
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bitbydeath
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Forza Horizon launched during his tenure which is still pretty popular today.
Sunset Overdrive, Killer Instinct revival, that Rome game, sadly Crackdown 3 as well but they can’t all be winners.
Even as a fan of Sony product, $800 is to high for console early adopters. $599 is okay with disc drive of course. I doubt if it will be $800 or even $700, that is to much for a launch. I'm sure Sony marketing and analytics knows $800 or $700, is not right number for launch console.
That is already a SRP for a Pro version. But, if it happens, for me, I will still get one but maybe after 2 years and just stay with Ps5 pro if I got one. Ps5 pro will be a more practical choice and surely PSSR ML will be more mature 4 years from now. Ps5 pro can still be a viable choice even after Ps6 launch.
I think that is why the psrr ml integration to fsr 4 and amethyst research is crucial. This will help reduce the price.
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Wulfer
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In that case Nintendo has already won. Sony can't buy away the market this time for exclusives and MS won't release on just one platform! Be careful what you ask for this isn't the 1990's.Indeed, this is the only console war.
It’s raged for decades now.
It will rage for decades to come.
And we all benefit.
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David B
An Idiot
OP made it clear guys, the PS5 has outsold how fast the PS4 was selling. The Xbox Series S and X selling way lower at 19% lower than Xbox One did. So whatever, that's Microsoft's cut off. Yet they keep making money profits of course because of PC sales of destkops and laptops with Windows.
Wulfer
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That's a easy answer. Yes it will as long as Iphones and Galaxies continue to sell close to a $1,000. They don't care you can't afford it because they'll have X amount of stock at launch and they'll pick you up later. Don't you remember the Sony slogan "Just go get a second job"?
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bitbydeath
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Switch vs PS4 yep, probably beat the PS5 as well.
EverydayBeast
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Xbox owners feel comfortable with their game line up, Sony guys are getting cocky and Sonys gains evaporated fast now they’re just a regular console without the games.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
I do, and how did that turn out? It nearly tanked the PlayStation business. They also remember, which is why it won't happen like that again.
Besides, consoles aren't iPhones and no legitimate comparison can be made using that apples to peanuts analogy.
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Imtjnotu
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sendit
Member
Good. The quicker Nintendo wins, the better it is for PC getting Sony day 1 releases.
Sooner
Member
Now do PS5+Switch vs PS4+Wii U.
Kerotan
Member
The base ps5 will be relevant for 5 years at least just like the PS4 still is today. They're still generations they're just longer now and overlap.