Kerotan
Member
They could have sold every year 1 ps5 for €1000. If they go under €800 they're just helping scalpers. It would be nice if €800 was the disc version but we'll see. I'd also like a 2TB SSD at launch.
PS5 Sales Are Outpacing PS4 in the US, Xbox Series X and S Lags Well Behind Xbox One
Nonehxc
Member
Uncle Cletus look mighty happy.
freefornow
Gold Member
It single handedly gave the PS4 the biggest leg up in gaming history. Surpassing Sony's PS3 launch price debarcle.
$800 for Ps6? Well, hmm, technological advancement is expected but as long as it has disc drive, and with 2 dual sense controller, and with full back ward compatibility hopefully even to Ps3, then maybe $800 might not be too much of a hard sell. But I have a feeling it will just be within the range $599 to $699. I just hope , whatever happens, there will be a version with disc drive already included. Anyway it is hard to speculate we are still long way to go, possibly 3-4 years from now. I'm still satisfied with my Ps5 and excited with the future games coming up.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
Not really.
After the first year it was 10M vs 14M.
Sales fell apart after Phil stopped bringing the games.
Kerotan
Member
Yeah personally I hope 700 max. Ps5 was 500 but they should have sold it for 600 with a slightly bigger SSD.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I'd hazard to guess it will be relevant for far longer. With games being more easily scaled, the SSD, and diminishing returns on graphics, I fully anticipate we'll see PS5 versions of games for much of the PS6's life.
I just think you'll see lower resolution games. 1080p and even 720p with upscaling efforts.
Obviously the PS6 will push upscaling efforts considerably and higher framerates, but I'm not sure what else it is going to do exactly. Maybe PCIE 7 7? Dedicated RTX hardware? Dedicated NPU? It'll be interesting to see what Cerny cooks up to separate it from the PS5.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
You know...
Sony should stop being pro-consumer and do a Nvidia like launch...$2000 PS6 will be fire lol
PharaoTutAnchAmun
Member
No he is right. Most people buy a pc for other things, gaming on it is NOT the main reason..
coachmcguirk91
Member
There will still be a PS6 generation, but Playstation and 3rd party developers won't start releasing games exclusively on next-gen hardware until 6-7 years after the PS6 is released, imo
Kerotan
Member
Agreed and I'm okay with that. One ratchet and clank rift apart type exclusive would be great. In fact let's make it a new ratchet while we're at it!
DeltaPolarBear
Member
The original plan was to use that power for VR. Sadly it didn't pan out.
Truthtellers
Neo Member
Exceptional news.
Sooner
Member
Xbox One sales were competitive with PS4 the first year or two. The brand didn't tank overnight. That took years of terrible mismanagement and bad decisions under Phil Spencer.
Madserb2023
Member
Shame, the Series X is a far better console that the One. I honestly think if Game Pass didn't exist and the system had actual exclusives that weren't on PC as well, it would haven been competitive. Microsoft is now selling a service and not a console like Valve with Steam. There is no need to own the hardware. This is why the Steam Deck has only sold a couple of million units. Far less than the Vita or even the Ngage. If Half Life 3 was exclusive to the Steam Deck it would sell 20 million units. I don't see what is so hard to understand.
Javi97
Member
In 2028 $700 will be the price of the RTX 7050 so for the PS6 $600 is the lowest price if you want to compete in power
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Tragic for some ... Lol
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
Ps5 versus Switch 2 will be the real console war coming soon. It will be classic battle just, like old times, Ps1 versus N64.
It'll be PS6 vs Switch 2. Switch 1 already outdid PS5.
Javi97
Member
If RTGI becomes the standard then PS5 will survive only with 1080p/30fps modes
Sooner
Member
Already? One is halfway done and one is in its last months of a long console generation.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I think you'll simply not see RTGI on PS5. You look at Intergalactic which appears to be captured on a PS5 and I think there is still a lot of room left for what the PS5 is capable of.
I think as we look on to the next generation we have to be really careful in our prognostication. Things can change drastically and seemingly on a dime. There is a path and we kind of assume where that path is leading.
For example, it would have been interesting to see what a different path the PS3 would have been on if the hard drive and network drive had continued to be optional equipment and if there was a version from launch without the PS2 chipset. These decisions you make can have huge ramifications on cost and adoption of technology.
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Yeah i never saw PS5 as a competitor to Switch...Ps5 versus Switch 2 will be the real console war coming soon. It will be classic battle just, like old times, Ps1 versus N64.
I always saw it like:
PS1 - N64
PS2 - Gamecube
PS3 - Wii
PS4 - Wii U
PS5 - Switch
By the time switch 2 releases the PS5 will be close to 5 years old. It won't be competition by then. But then again PS5 will be close to 80M consoles sold by that point.
Yes, the console that's on sale since 2017 has sold more than the one that's on sale since 2020
I mean it's extremely unlikely that PS5 will do more than 140M but calling it like this when PS5's successor probably only releases in lats 2028 (and will keep being sold after that) sounds like too early to tell tbh.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Probably going to PC.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Yeah, since the Switch launched 3 years before the PS5 it makes comparisons really wonky.Yeah i never saw PS5 as a competitor to Switch...
I always saw it like:
PS1 - N64
PS2 - Gamecube
PS3 - Wii
PS4 - Wii U
PS5 - Switch
By the time switch 2 releases the PS5 will be close to 5 years old. It won't be competition by then. But then again PS5 will be close to 80M consoles sold by that point.
Yes, the console that's on sale since 2017 has sold more than the one that's on sale since 2020
I mean it's extremely unlikely that PS5 will do more than 140M but calling it like this when PS5's successor probably only releases in lats 2028 (and will keep being sold after that) sounds like too early to tell tbh.
Somehow the PS4 just gets left out.
Alan Wake
Member
If only it was that simple. At least Xbox One had exclusive games.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Sony wasn't coy about anything though. The message was pretty clear, but people somehow twisted it in such a way that Sony supposedly talked about PS5 exclusive games, while Ryan was talking about hardware features:
"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to all the trouble of creating a next-gen console, that it should include features and benefits that the previous generation does not include. And that, in our view, people should make games that can make the most of those features. We do believe in generations, and whether it's the DualSense controller, whether it's the 3D audio, whether it's the multiple ways that the SSD can be used... we are thinking that it is time to give the PlayStation community something new, something different, that can really only be enjoyed on PS5."
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I never understood how people read stuff like this and what they understood was "PS5 won't have a cross gen period" lmao
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mayham2199
Member
Nah bloodborne remake is the obvious answer or bloodborne 2.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
The PS3 recovered later in the gen. Xbox One never did- it only got worse imo.
coachmcguirk91
Member
It doesn't change the overall point at all. Jim Ryan was purposely trying to be deceptive there without explicitly lying. This quote came right after Xbox fans were upset that Halo and Forza were cross-gen titles
Ragnorak, GT7, and HFW were announced as PS5 titles. PS4 versions of the games were not announced until later down the line. Why do you think that was? Do you think Sony didn't know PS4 versions were being developed? Its because Sony was being coy AF and wanted to sell as many PS5's at launch. I'm a Playstation gamer, but you guys have to stop being fanboys
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
I mean...Sony managed to course correct during a single gen during the PS3 era. Nothing stopped MS from actually doing the same. They had all the money for that.
The thing about Xbox is that it NEVER had the same global appeal that Playstation had, even during the PS3 era. We don't talk about this nearly enough but PS3 outsold Xbox 360 worldwide from 2007 until the end. Basically since the first full year on the market and at a more expensive price. Europe made sure of that.
This is never going to change because Sony keeps doing two things Xbox never did: go after emerging markets and having local services for most countries in Europe, with local promo campaigns for each country, etc... Sony also went after asian countries like Korea and China years ago and Xbox was sleeping on the job and lost games like Genshin Impact, Stellar Blade, etc...while Sony was making all these deals and initiatives. NOW Microsoft is trying to penetrate that market (China) late to the party as well, just as Sony is talking about India...which Xbox isn't even considering...but probably will in 5 years. Again, late to the party. (just like they are with their handheld)
Playstation has a level of global outreach that Xbox never had, because they always prioritized the USA and UK...and needed Sony to release a console 1 year later and 200 dollars / euros more expensive to have a single successful generation...and still managed to be outsold by the end due to their lack of market penetration.
Killjoy-NL
Member
It has nothing to do with us being fanboys.
It's a matter of reading what was being said and how people turned it into a whole other story.
But good that you mentioned Xbox, it's fanbase and Halo/Forza, because the whole "we believe in generations" FUD campaign coincided with the "lol PS5 9Tflop" FUD campaign, created by Xbpx execs and DF through that secret Xbox Discord at the time.
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Hum...Sony did a PS5 showcase and only mentioned games releasing on that platform...never mentioned they were exclusive to PS5. The PS4 versions were literally announced right on their PS Blog articles that same day. And Ragnarok never had a PS5 logo or anything and wasn't on that first Showcase...it was on the second one, a year later.
If you had a PS4 you would know those games existed.
coachmcguirk91
Member
Why do you think Ragnorak, HFW, and GT7 were only announced as PS5 titles? Genuinely curious
coachmcguirk91
Member
Wrong, the PS5 versions were only available in the store after announcement
Here's a reddit post of GT7 confirming it
Killjoy-NL
Member
PR. That's a given.
But the statement you were referring to wasn't coy. It was pretty clear that it was about hardware features.
TropicanaTwista
Member
The X1 reveal was a complete disaster, no question about it. But people need to get off this thinking that it was some unsolvable problem. As you mentioned the PS3 had serious issues and Sony essentially fixed them the same gen. Nintendo, I would argue, had a bigger failure in the same gen as Xbox 1 with the Wii u and rebounded tremendously with the switch, to produce of one the most successful gaming machines ever.
There is really no excuse why Xbox couldn't claw themselves out of that hole. Hell, for how much of a problem the launch of X1 was, it at least had compelling games the first year or 2. The fact the Spencer tanked the brand even worse is still unfathomable to me.
coachmcguirk91
Member
Fair
Kerotan
Member
Why not both. Demon souls and ratchet were the 2 big exclusives. PS6 can have Bloodborne remake and a new ratchet.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The PS5 Digital will need to be $299 if they truly want to do this.
Not really because PS4 wings was clipped in 2020 but PS5 wings most likely will not be clipped in 2027 . PS4 could have easily sold about 20 million more & PS5 might get that end of life support that PS4 didn't.
apple_of_enlightenment
Member
PS5 is almost 5 years on the market. PS6 is reportedly coming in 2 years. The launch date is mostly speculation, but 7 years in 2027 will still be a long gen.
It's true Switch came early but while there's different viewpoints on 8/9th gen I always saw Switch in same gen as PS5. They've competed 5 years on the market together.
Launch aligned it's very clear, Switch is almost 20M units ahead of PS5. It's unlikely PS5 will get near Switch's total either.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Would you say the floor for the PS5 is 130 million units sold?
Killjoy-NL
Member
PS5 will be 5 years on the market in november.
It's not even 4.5 years out yet and with 2 years of heavy shortages, in a way it's almost like it only launched 2.5 years ago.
I highly doubt PS6 will be out before 2028.
I think that's a safe assumption.
Sony 1st is gearing up to release their major titles. The second half of this gen could be very strong, just like we have seen during the PS3-era.
And with Xbox sales flatlining at ~30M, it'd be weird for PS5 to not reach 130M.
Imo.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I'd say the floor is closer to 125.
So much will depend on the tail and how willing Sony is to drop the price and by how much Sony is willing to drop the price.
I think what's actually more interesting is what the ceiling is.
If Sony can get a PS5 Digital down to 300, I think it'll sell really well, but we could be looking at PS2 type numbers if they can get it down 250 by doing a PS5 Super Slim, which I think would be in Sony's best interests if they plan they keep the PS5 alive through out much of the PS6 generation.
I think a PS5 Digital at 250 with the Switch 2 at 400 would make the Switch 2 look a bit silly.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
So much of the PS5's ceiling is going to be determined by GTA6 and its long term price points. For all we know this could end up being Sony's biggest year despite the previous peak. It's impossible to accurately assess how many units of PS5s will sell due to GTA6 alone.
jm89
Member
I don't think we'll see it drop that low permanently. It will get close to that in temporary price drops
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
We're not far from a permanent price drop to 350, so I don't think a permanent price drop to 300 is far fetched for some point in the life cycle.
So much is going to be determined by the demand of the PS5 with GTA6. If Sony can sell 20 million units next fiscal year due to GTA6, that would put them above 95 million units and closer to 100 million with probably two more years left of strong sales. Even 10 million units a year would put them at 120. I would expect sales to be stronger if the price lowers.