10 year old kills 90 year old woman
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Barbacoatl
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The blood thirst is real. Jesus #someofgaf.
You steal a candy when you're ten. If you beat and choke your grandmother to death, that's not just something you did when you were ten, that's a fair indication something is wrong with your brain. He's not going to prison, he's going to treatment. He will be found incompetent and dealt with in health and children's services.
More_Badass
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It's really unsettling to see that people think this way. It really is
10 years of age is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong, understand the consequences of your actions and take responsibility for them.
I don't have any problem with this kid being tried as an adult, but I don't think there's any point in locking him up for the rest of his life. Rehabilitate him in a proper institution and release him on probation after he's reached the age of 18 and is no longer deemed to be a risk to society. There's no reason an adult court cannot perform that task.
Having said that, I'm not a fan of deeming crimes to be society's fault or an indication of some sort of psychosis and absolving individuals of any sort of responsibility. Where does it end? I dislike about how a lot of liberals view the criminal justice through this sort of prism which diminishes responsibility.
The justice system should act in the best interests of the society, and in this particular case I don't see any reason why an adult court (because I assume this 10 years old knows the difference between right and wrong, the consequences of physical violence etc) cannot perform this task.
It's not an either or scenario of throwing him in a cell for the rest of his life in an adult court or going to juvie and receiving proper support and counselling.
P.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
The age at which you can be tried as an adult in England is 10 years old. Two 10 year old boys were convicted in an adult court of one of the most disturbing murders you will ever read about. They served about 12 years in a youth detention centre, received counselling and other support and were released on parole when they were no longer deemed to be a risk to the public.
I would expect that something similar will happen in this case.
I don't have any problem with this kid being tried as an adult, but I don't think there's any point in locking him up for the rest of his life. Rehabilitate him in a proper institution and release him on probation after he's reached the age of 18 and is no longer deemed to be a risk to society. There's no reason an adult court cannot perform that task.
Having said that, I'm not a fan of deeming crimes to be society's fault or an indication of some sort of psychosis and absolving individuals of any sort of responsibility. Where does it end? I dislike about how a lot of liberals view the criminal justice through this sort of prism which diminishes responsibility.
The justice system should act in the best interests of the society, and in this particular case I don't see any reason why an adult court (because I assume this 10 years old knows the difference between right and wrong, the consequences of physical violence etc) cannot perform this task.
It's not an either or scenario of throwing him in a cell for the rest of his life in an adult court or going to juvie and receiving proper support and counselling.
P.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger
The age at which you can be tried as an adult in England is 10 years old. Two 10 year old boys were convicted in an adult court of one of the most disturbing murders you will ever read about. They served about 12 years in a youth detention centre, received counselling and other support and were released on parole when they were no longer deemed to be a risk to the public.
I would expect that something similar will happen in this case.
Haloid1177
Banned
On the one hand, he beat to death a 90 year old woman. That isn't/shouldn't be something we just let go legally because he was 10. But I won't condemn the kid to life in prison or anything like that until more facts come out about how he was raised or the environment he lived in.
I think kids are old enough to know what they are doing when they are 10. But now his grandma is dead
Try to think of it if this was your family. You have a 10 year old son and he beats to death your elderly mother, what would you do?
Coriolanus
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Then you should be agreeing with the "lots of liberals". See: Norway.
Could go in the other direction and argue for the singaporean approach, tho.
Holy hell, that case is a good example of what happens when you release someone's identity to the media.
You could argue that kids don't fully grasp the concept of death and murder at that age, or that he underestimated her frailty.
Random Painted HIghway
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Sounds like the making for a new Supreme Court case!
I find it troubling to charge as an adult due to the cognitive development that has not yet occurred in a ten year old. They may know on a theoretical sense right from wrong, but dis he fully understand the consequences of his actions? I don't think we have enough details on that to decide to incarcerate him beyond the juvenile limits. Why not just charge all juvies facing felonies with permanent record crimes and just have separate housing for them?
I would send him to the youth prison system till he's 18 or 21, whatever the max is, and then hope he's reformed. There is a good chance that he will not and come out worse, but juvie is supposedly for rehabilitation
I find it troubling to charge as an adult due to the cognitive development that has not yet occurred in a ten year old. They may know on a theoretical sense right from wrong, but dis he fully understand the consequences of his actions? I don't think we have enough details on that to decide to incarcerate him beyond the juvenile limits. Why not just charge all juvies facing felonies with permanent record crimes and just have separate housing for them?
I would send him to the youth prison system till he's 18 or 21, whatever the max is, and then hope he's reformed. There is a good chance that he will not and come out worse, but juvie is supposedly for rehabilitation
American culture. Lock everybody up.
There's no cure for evil.
So I am guessing you guys would be alright treating kids like adults in other case. Give them the right to vote, right to decide whether they want to go to school or not, join the military, and work in mines and what not too. I mean if a kids can tried as adults, why shouldn't they be treated as adults?
Barbacoatl
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Which textbook did you get this from?
A 10 year old might know what NOT to do, but even then he should not be held accountable the way an adult would. His social contract is very different. He still can't work. He still can't get a loan for a car. He still can't get married. His rights and obligations differ to those of you and me.
Not to mention, his brain and body haven't even developed yet.
I like common law but in this case it's barbaric to trial a kid in such way because another kid in fuckall, nowhere, did something similar years ago.
Oh come the hell on. No question he was wrong here, but a ten year old doesn't understand the consequences of their actions, nor do they fully understand how easily killed a 90 year old is.
KefkaPalazzo
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Some disturbing posts in this thread. I honestly can't put myself in a mindset that is capable of understandong why some people would believe a ten year old should be given the same ramifications as an adult. It's just...irrational.
SenorArdilla
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Sounds like the boy always had some mental deficiencies and was prone to violent fits.
Don't they have kid jails for things like this? No way he should be out running the streets with normal people but he shouldn't be in a grown ass man jail either.
He needs help and isolation from society.
But he definitely should serve his time for the crime he committed. Idc how old he is he made a conscious decision to kill that woman.
He needs help and isolation from society.
But he definitely should serve his time for the crime he committed. Idc how old he is he made a conscious decision to kill that woman.
Lock his ass up and throw away the key! What a little psychopath!
Seriously there should be consequences...the kid knows what he was doing I'm sorry but no. He needs to be monitored very closely to make sure he isn't exhibiting this behavior all the time. That way if he has a repeated action we know he has a mental problem that needs to be fixed.
also the way he confessed "I killed that lady" jeebus...that's so chilling.
Says that the kid is violent and has mental issues. I feel like some of y'all just read the op. Kid wanted to harm her...guilty.
Seriously there should be consequences...the kid knows what he was doing I'm sorry but no. He needs to be monitored very closely to make sure he isn't exhibiting this behavior all the time. That way if he has a repeated action we know he has a mental problem that needs to be fixed.
also the way he confessed "I killed that lady" jeebus...that's so chilling.
Says that the kid is violent and has mental issues. I feel like some of y'all just read the op. Kid wanted to harm her...guilty.
Coriolanus
Banned
That he confessed is a good thing.
damn, like temper tantrums....like a child...nooooo,,,,
nailbombxx
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Jeez. Enough internet for today. RIP 
I don't agree he should be in jail for life either, but I do find the posters downplaying the fact that he killed his grandmother, strange. I mean there's a difference between if the kid stole, did drugs, etc and this, isn't there?
Corronchilejano
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No one is downplaying he killed his grandmother. Everyone is saying "he's 10 and he barely understands what he just did." Just because you understand the nature of death doesn't mean you understand the consequences or what it means. He didn't coldly make a plan and then swiftly killed her either. They had an altercation, he was violent and killed her.
djplaeskool
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People vehemently advocating for the incarceration of a 10 year old.
...I'm out.
...I'm out.
Alligatorjandro
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Put him away until he's 18.
GingerNathan
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This thread is really shocking, he's ten for Christ sake do you think his dead Grandma would have wanted him put in a cell and have the keys thrown away?
He needs medical help and evaluation in order to increase the chances of him growing up and becoming a normal member of society, not mercilessly punished for something he'll most likely grow up to regret through out his adult life.
Reading the article it all sounds like the charge of homicide being filed in an adult court is just a procedure, I can't believe that any first world country would hold a ten year old up to the same legal responsibility as an adult.
He needs medical help and evaluation in order to increase the chances of him growing up and becoming a normal member of society, not mercilessly punished for something he'll most likely grow up to regret through out his adult life.
Reading the article it all sounds like the charge of homicide being filed in an adult court is just a procedure, I can't believe that any first world country would hold a ten year old up to the same legal responsibility as an adult.
CornBurrito
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The age is just going to get lower and. Lower until we end up trying 3 year olds as adults. I swear.
I don't think it takes much to beat to death a 90 year old and a 10 year old probably doesn't understand that.
Its still shocking behaviour, but i dont think he intended to kill her and the death was born out of a immature understanding of the frailty of elders. So i don't believe he was old enough to know what he was doing.
I read about this in the local paper today (I'm not in Wayne county, but near it). Some further info on the charged as an adult part:
I am going to assume that the case will probably be transferred to a juvenile court. Also, I don't believe the woman he killed was his grandmother.
I am going to assume that the case will probably be transferred to a juvenile court. Also, I don't believe the woman he killed was his grandmother.
What's the point of having adults and minors in the eyes of the court if whenever a minor does anything, he or she is tried as an adult.
I understand if you are two days from being 18 you can argue he was basically an adult. But a 10 year old?
I'm not saying just let him go but this is also kinda fucked up.
Also since when so many gaffers are experts on a ten year old's mental state by saying he knew that hitting her might kill her.
I understand if you are two days from being 18 you can argue he was basically an adult. But a 10 year old?
I'm not saying just let him go but this is also kinda fucked up.
Also since when so many gaffers are experts on a ten year old's mental state by saying he knew that hitting her might kill her.
CapitalismSucks DonkeyBalls
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I wish y'all would read the damn article before railing against the fact that he was charged as an adult.
Any criminal homicide charge must be considered an adult charge regardless of age. The family can petition a trial in juvenile court.
Any criminal homicide charge must be considered an adult charge regardless of age. The family can petition a trial in juvenile court.
From the James Burger case I linked to:
That's really all there is to it. It may or may not be the same in this case, but the ability to get married or finance a car is completely irrelevant.
Coriolanus
Banned
Because we've all been ten years old, duh.
Same way how most whites know white privilege isn't a thing because someone wasn't nice to them that one time.
The Lamonster
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Lock him in an attic.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
you're a child until we say you aren't (legally 18), so arbitrarily declaring someone an adult to give them suitable punishment for a crime appears to be in line with the arbitrary initial standard of adulthood.
its pretty much hypocrisy. none of the rights of being an adult, but we will treat you like one if we want to.
its pretty much hypocrisy. none of the rights of being an adult, but we will treat you like one if we want to.
Vermillion
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I don't care whether he's tried as an adult or not. The kid should be getting help over punishment. So should any adults that would be in a similar situation.
Neogaf leans liberal but has some weird oddities like loving the death penalty and harsh criminal justice, I've never understood it.
sometimes i game
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I immediately wondered if this is a case of a child abused who psychologically broke and fought back.
I don't know about you, but when I was 10 I never had the urge to beat up anyone other than those who were my own age. Certainly not a defenseless old person. None of my friends ever made remarks suggesting they were violent in that way either. This little jackass should have known better by that age and should be punished accordingly.
crazygambit
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I disagree on many points. At 10 your impulse control isn't the best, you probably don't know your own strength and certainly it's much much easier to kill a 90 year old than another adult who might not have been injured at all in the attack.
Going for murder definitely seems excessive, though the kid obviously needs professional help.
So, would you be prepared to call me a jackass after what I explained on the previous page? If so, then go ahead.
Ol No Bones
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That's a fair point. It is difficult to pin down a certain number. I knew right from wrong at a young age because my parents made sure I did. I am not trying to say that he should go to prison with adults for the rest of his life. What I find abhorrent is how many people blame anything but the criminal for the crime. People blame society and a multitude of things and then the criminal looks like an innocent bystander while everything and everyone around him is made out to be the perpetrator.
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