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[Dragonborn]

Sony doesn't need anything really. A $450 GTAV bundle would be more than enough, if they make it $399 that would pretty much put them ahead.

The thing you have to remember, at least in my opinion, that price isn't the only issue MS faces.

And as someone else said, loosing one or two months in NPD would mean nothing. They'll still go back to dominating next year and WW, it will be a bloodbath either way.

 

[Loudninja]

Yes.

What?

 

[Chris1]

Surprised there isn't a GTAV bundle tbh. I think Sony know they've lost November though and aren't going to lose even more money trying to catch up, I guess they're content with winning the rest of 2014. Plus, it's not like the PS4 is going to sell terribly either, it'll do just fine.

Winning November is pretty much impossible for Sony IMO, MS has been hyping up the holiday being the "most important time" since like the summer, halo is coming out, cod is coming out etc. If they have to sell xbox ones for $50 to win NPD, they probably will.

 

[ShogunX]

Is there a PS4 community thread anywhere? I tried searching and couldn't find one...so I'm asking here, sorry.

Yes, It's right here.

I know things can change but Sony just have so much momentum right now that I don't think MS can do much damage.

 

[Mr Moose]

Thanks to: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851491

Holy shit, I want that PS2 faceplate!

 

[shortsoptional]

I hear the mindshare argument and I wonder how much it affects sales.

Ex: I would love to get a Sunset Overdrive bundle, but I just don't have time for a second console. I have the money, but two consoles/subscriptions is more than i really need. So no matter how great the deal, I probably won't bite because I already have a PS4.

 

[Bgamer90]

Far from it. I just think people put far too much stock in NPD numbers and what they ultimately mean. I don't have a horse in this race.

I agree that people do. I just think the OP was simply asking what Sony could create as a way to compete. Not that Sony is "doomed" if they don't do it.

Personally, I don't even think they have to do anything to be honest. Them losing by less than 100K in a month in which they sell over 500K (NPD) isn't a big deal -- especially when (as you said) they already have such a big lead worldwide.

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That's not going to happen. If we do get a GTA V bundle, it will be $400 at the least, which still be more than enough to compete.

Why would that be all they could do? A GTAV bundle at $399 would do just fine. I think Sony can sit at $50 more than the Xbox and still sell better at the moment.

Or offer a deal like the MS one a while ago - buy a PS4 bundle and get a fire first party game download (TLoU, Infamous, drive club, LBP3)

Or both

As I said in my post, the fact that MS is bundling games that are new entries in popular series helps a lot. A PS4 GTA V bundle at $400 would definitely do well but would it be more appealing to a person than a bundle with the latest COD and 1 TB of space at $50 more -or- a bundle with the latest Assassin's Creed at $50 less if that person already played GTA V last year? Depends on what they are interested in obviously. I just think that if someone sees things from straightly a value standpoint then he/she would have a greater chance of choosing one of the XB1 bundles instead of a GTA V bundle at $400. GTA V bundle at $350 would be a whole different story though IMO -- hence why I stated that in my previous post.

 

[krypt0nian]

Surprised there isn't a GTAV bundle tbh. I think Sony know they've lost November though and aren't going to lose even more money trying to catch up, I guess they're content with winning the rest of 2014.

Winning November is pretty much impossible for Sony IMO, MS has been hyping up the holiday being the "most important time" since like the summer, halo is coming out, cod is coming out etc. If they have to sell xbox ones for $50 to win NPD, they probably will.

We will come back to this come December.

 

[Quotient]

Supply could also be an issue for Sony. Perhaps they have forecasted that at the current price they would only just be able to sustain their world wide demand and a price-drop or bundle may not make any difference - except to their bottomline.

 

[FinalStageBoss]

Sony has a huge lead WW. They're not worried about losing one month man, they will sell a shit load of consoles regardless.

 

[Omotesando]

I think Sony should just let MS win for a month, just to keep them on their toes for the new year.

 

[Dragonborn]

I hear the mindshare argument and I wonder how much it affects sales.

Ex: I would love to get a Sunset Overdrive bundle, but I just don't have time for a second console. I have the money, but two consoles/subscriptions is more than i really need. So no matter how great the deal, I probably won't bite because I already have a PS4.

It affects it a lot. There's about 1 million more PS4 than X1s in NA right now, that over 1 million more people who will bring their friends over. Besides, the PS4 still has the image of being the "it" console to own this gen.

MS price cuts help, but they also cause negative perception. I've heard from a few folks about how they're desperate and it puts some people away (again, totally anecdotal).

 

[The Albatross]

What if PS4 outsells Xbox One again without any price drops?

What would that indicate?

Really wouldn't be surprised if it did given how many more consoles they've been selling each month... I wouldn't be surprised if the sales were about even, slightly favoring one over the other. Ultimately, I think that this would be bad for Sony... say that they were within 5,000 consoles sold of one another, and Sony sells about 5K more, I think it would reinforce a complacency that might would justify actions for Holiday 2015.

 

[Bgamer90]

Thanks to: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851491

Wow. Those are really nice.

 

[autoduelist]

MS going hard.

Tweeting at people already subscribed to the xbox twitter isn't really 'going hard'.

 

[Biker19]

Sony probably cares more about their margins than specifically outselling Xbox in the USA, especially since they know they have all the other countries on lockdown.

A low end estimate: the PS4 will ship a minimum of 6M consoles this quarter.

A $50/console cut would cost Sony $300M

Do you think winning one month in one territory is worth $300 million?

These. You don't lower the price of your product that's selling very well until the sales for it starts slowing down significantly. It's Business 101.

 

[Birgitte2004]

It's a good thing the majority of people on gaming websites don't run companies.

Losing a month in the US (because face it, they won't lose Europe/Japan/anywhere else) does not matter.

It's certainly not worth throwing away millions of dollars just to appease console warriors.

Xbox 360 lost some months in the US against PS3. Were all of you freaking out about what Microsoft must do when that happened?

 

[GeoramA]

The amount of bundles MS has out is kinda comical and pretty telling of their desperation to gain back some marketshare.

They may squeak by in November, but that's only if Sony does absolutely nothing. And they always have something for Black Friday.

 

[Maxim726X]

Gotta give it to MS, they're not going down quietly.

However, no real reason for Sony to respond with cuts unless sales swerve in MS's direction. I agree with those who believe it's a risk by Sony not to match this Holiday season (combined with the complete dearth of quality titles come Holiday time), but they've carved out quite the lead to this point.

 

[Chamber]

Surprised there isn't a GTAV bundle tbh. I think Sony know they've lost November though and aren't going to lose even more money trying to catch up, I guess they're content with winning the rest of 2014. Plus, it's not like the PS4 is going to sell terribly either, it'll do just fine.

Winning November is pretty much impossible for Sony IMO, MS has been hyping up the holiday being the "most important time" since like the summer, halo is coming out, cod is coming out etc. If they have to sell xbox ones for $50 to win NPD, they probably will.

Impossible? What kind of numbers are some of you actually expecting here? I'm kind of curious to hear.

 

[Dragonborn]

It's a good thing the majority of people on gaming websites don't run companies.

Losing a month in the US (because face it, they won't lose Europe/Japan/anywhere else) does not matter.

It's certainly not worth throwing away millions of dollars just to appease console warriors.

Xbox 360 lost some months in the US against PS3. Were all of you freaking out about what Microsoft must do when that happened?

Especially when you consider that for PS, NA represents what, 35% of it's total sales? Loosing a month or two is entirely meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Whereas with MS, NA accounts for, probably more than 60% of their total sales. Hence why it's so incredibly important for them.

 

[3rdamention]

Yes.

That would go against nearly every sales trend we have seen. You are saying that the Xbox One will cut into the lead it took Sony a year to build, in just two months. And you said "most of the lead" so that would just be crazy.

 

[RespectThySole]

Sony's best bet is to have a $400 GTA V bundle. If it's priced like the Destiny bundle, then it won't be enough. I don't think Sony really cares about losing a couple months in the US though after losing so many months there last gen. It doesn't look like there is even going to be a GTA V bundle at this point.

They seem to be more focused on continuing their mainland EU dominance this holiday with all the bundles they have lineup there, while they have nothing but the Destiny bundle in the US.

 

[spwolf]

As I said in my post, the fact that MS is bundling games that are new entries in popular series helps a lot. A PS4 GTA V bundle at $400 would definitely do well but would it be more appealing to a person than a bundle with the latest COD and 1 TB of space at $50 more -or- a bundle with the latest Assassin's Creed at $50 less if that person already played GTA V last year? Depends on what they are interested in obviously. I just think that if someone sees things from straightly a value standpoint then he/she would have a greater chance of choosing one of the XB1 bundles instead of a GTA V bundle at $400. GTA V bundle at $350 would be a whole different story though IMO -- hence why I stated that in my previous post.

PS4 with GTA5 at $450 is going to do better than Xb1 with COD at $450.

XB1 has been "better value" for a while now, and it did not help them at all in September. It is not helping them in Europe either.

 

[wapplew]

it's over, xbox one is the king in NA, china, maybe UK too. Let's hope PS4 sell well enough in other regions so they don't let MS run away with it.
You had a good run, Sony.

 

[Man-is-Obsolete]

There will be a black Friday bundle and that is what will be most important. Personally I don't think it is that big of a deal if the PS4 outsells the Xbone this month. To me it is status quo, and even if Xbone does outsell it for the month globally it won't. However, MS has made it very apparent it is important to them, and it would have to be deflating to not do so. Because if not now then when?

...likely never.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

Where are the bundles/discounts? Is Sony really so confident that they think November will be a cake walk when their competitor dropped the price by $50 with a game to boot? 2 of the biggest games of November are bundled with the Xbox One, CoD and Unity. Then there is the MCC. Still no announcement of the PS4 GTAV bundle for the USA. Heck even the Wii U will do well this month with the launch of Smash. I'm not saying the PS4 won't do well in November but I can't see it selling better than the Xbox One for the month.

Why does it HAVE to sell better than the XB1 in America? It will sell well in America and Europe/Japan will push it higher in WW sales. If Sony can sell what they can manufacture, that's all that matters. MS have plenty of unsold stock.

 

[Radec]

Yes.

lol

Where's that yosh let him dream pic when you need it..

 

[2thepoint]

As much as I'd like Microsoft to win November and December NPD just to give Sony some push, I just cannot see it happening.

I expect Xbox One to come close but falter ultimately.

And it really makes me laugh when the general concensus seems to be Microsoft is now going to pulverate Sony because of a temporary $50 price cut.

Let's see - didn't work with Titanfall, or dropping Kinect, or the insane bundles, promotions, offers, rebates, Madden 15, Destiny being handed out for free or any other title, free XBL, discounts or FIFA bundles in Europe.

The list just goes on and on - it's not going to change save for a miracle.

Why is it that it is thought that Sony is just going to remain static every time Microsoft makes a move, albeit desperation moves - PS4 is beating the crap out of Xbox One in the US, and cremating the corpse across the world.

If PS4 outsells Xbox One in November & December with the craziness going on around promotions for the console, they will probably have to concede complete defeat, except for a slim possibility of a few weeks when Halo 5 launches or a slim version gets released. It's more than likely never going to outsell PS4 except for these instances, where are extremely few and far between.

 

[Pestilence11]

Black friday is where most consoles are sold, they may just wait and deliver the killing blow. They will WIN NPD but BARLEY.

Brack Friday Bunduru

 

[Skilletor]

I feel like the people thinking MS is a shoe-in haven't really been paying attention to the past year.

XB1s haven't really been 400 bucks for quite some time and it hasn't mattered at all.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Yeah, not sure what Sony is doing. They kinda have nothing going into Nov and Dec, so there really is nothing to bundle in the US. They have a GTA V bundle in Europe, but not sure what the point of that is since 90% of Europe is Sonyland anyways. I guess its to get ahead in UK.

But back to NA, they still have Destiny which I suppose they can push. But they really should create their own bundle. I really shouldn't cost that much to include Infamous and TLOU in there.

Also, not sure why Sony is so fucking stingy on creating custom PS4's. Shit, it doesn't even have to be a completely new skin. The PS4 comes with a removable plate, it would be so easy to drop in a few of these.

Thanks to: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=851491

I'm not saying these specifically, just that its that easy to swap them out and it looks pretty damn good.


I dunno. I don't get Sony sometimes.

I want the mirror's edge one.

 

[Bgamer90]

PS4 with GTA5 at $450 is going to do better than Xb1 with COD at $450.

Wouldn't be surprised if it did.

XB1 has been "better value" for a while now, and it did not help them at all in September.

Totally different situation. The free game deal was for only a week and MS announced it on short notice (3 days before it started iirc). The sales of the PS4 for September were built up for many months -- the Destiny bundle had a lot of hype/preorders (thanks to the game itself having a lot of hype).

This deal MS is doing is for two months with those two months being huge for console sales for obvious reasons. I really wouldn't say the situations are similar.

 

[Biker19]

Did people forget Microsoft won last December? Didn't exactly do anything in the long term. It's telling that Microsoft needs insane bundles to even stay close.

Only reason that MS "Won December" last year is because that PS4 was supply constrained back then while Xbox One wasn't.

 

[Dragonborn]

I feel like the people thinking MS is a shoe-in haven't really been paying attention to the past year.

XB1s haven't really been 400 bucks for quite some time and it hasn't mattered at all.

Yup, that's also one thing to consider. As I said, price is not the only issue, and heck, I'd say the X1 has bigger problems than price.

Only reason that MS "Won December" last year is because that PS4 was supply constrained back then while Xbox One wasn't.

I honestly see that happening again this year.

 

[Steroyd]

I don't think it matters to Sony as long as PS4 sales don't tank.

 

[Guevara]

Xbox has had bundles and price drops all year. But somehow THESE price drops and bundles are going to make the difference?

November: XB1 launches
March: Titanfall, the biggest MS exclusive of the year, bundled free with every XB1 purchase.
April: Forza 5 bundled for free
May: XB1 gets a new $399 SKU, removes Kinect, for June.
August: Madden bundled for free, FIFA and Forza bundled for free.
September: get a free game on top of bundled free games, includes any recent game like Destiny.
October: Sunset Overdrive bundled for free
November: $50 price cut across all bundles, Two-pack Assassins Creed Bundle and Call of Duty bundled with XB for free.

I can kind of see where people are coming from with the desperate claims. It's not like this is the first major push from MS, nor will it be the last. I mean, this is kind of insane when you think about it.

Obviously it'd going to move some units, but Microsoft has been playing this game almost since launch.

 

[Bgamer90]

XB1s haven't really been 400 bucks for quite some time and it hasn't mattered at all.

Xbox has had bundles and price drops all year. But somehow THESE price drops and bundles are going to make the difference?

None of the bundles had free games as huge as COD or Asssassin's Creed though. This is on top of this recent deal happening in a period in which many people are looking for a new console.

Some people saw those deals from previous months and decided to wait to see what MS would do for the Holiday season since there are usually (better) deals this time of year.

 

[wotta]

Well I've never seen Xbox above PS4 on Amazon for a long time and now Xbox One has loads of consoles in the top 20 while the PS4 seems to be dropping down a little.

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bs_nav_0#1

I know it's not a big deal that its like that on Amazon, but could be a good judge of what's happening in the rest of the country.

If PS4 is outsold it's not a big deal, though I think Sony will likely counter in some way as it'll want to stay on top.

 

[BokehKing]

If you already own a ps4 it really should be of no concern what they do this holiday season unless you're heavily invested in some Console Warrior stuff.

Sony is doing just fine leave them alone

 

[chithanh]

They've seen demand all year, I fail to believe they couldn't have arranged supply to deal with this quarter where we are expecting them to ship like 6m WW.

How long did it take Nintendo to meet the demand for the Wii, 2 years? You cannot just increase production capacity on a whim. And I bet that given their financial situation, Sony is very careful not to run into overproduction. Remember that they publicly said that they don't know why PS4 is selling so well, and that they are concerned that at some point, it might stop selling.

Well, yeah. I don't know. As soon as we see a great sales number, our instinct tells us we should be concerned about future sales, right? Are we exhausting all the core gamers? If we sell this number of units, there are no more consumers we can sell to. That's a really terrifying prospect.

While PS4 was still supply constrained in Q1 of this year, they shipped 1M units/month WW which was probably everything they could produce. If they can ship ~6M for the holiday quarter, this would mean 12M in 9 months, a production increase of 33%.

EDIT: I found their forecast for the current fiscal year.

FY12 = Last year

FY13 = This year

FY14 FCT = Projections for next year

So they expect to sell 17M consoles in FY14. Let's put PS4/PS3 split at 15M/2M. Assuming 3M PS4s in each non-holiday quarter, their planned production for the holidays (FY14 Q3) will be around 6M then.

 

[OnionPowder]

None of the bundles had free games as huge as COD or Asssassin's Creed though.

Titanfall?

 

[Bgamer90]

Titanfall?

Definitely not as big as COD.

 

[Chris1]

Impossible? What kind of numbers are some of you actually expecting here? I'm kind of curious to hear.

I'm not even gonna try to guess the sales numbers because I'll be way off, but I'll give my reasoning for why I think it's impossible for Sony to win November

- Cod 1TB bundle
- White console(I know it's out in Oct, but with the price drop people will be waiting)
- Free game packins (even two, in some cases)
- $50 cheaper
- Less consoles to ship to europe so the supply should be higher than the PS4
- Halo
- Good word of mouth around the xbox lately with monthly updates, good exclusives (SSO,FH2, MCC)

To add in that there has been a ton of complains lately about PSN going down constantly, driveclub not working, etc, I think will sway people to buy an xbox for CoD. Also, as I said in my post MS has been hyping up this holiday. If they think there is even a chance of losing, they'll bundle in EA access, XBL, do another free game deal, maybe even lower the price on the non bundled console to like $250-$299, I just think they will do everything in their power to ensure Xbox wins November, and probably December too.

MS just seems to have everything going for them this holiday while Sony is riding off last years E3 still pretty much, if Sony wins i'll be really shocked, but in a way I want to see it happen because i'll be able to witness the first true meltdown on here since being approved, but I don't think it will happen.

 

[Dragonborn]

Definitely not as big as COD.

They definitely tried their hardest to make it seem that way though. Let's not forget the absolutely insane marketing push it received and the endless hype

 

[2thepoint]

None of the bundles had free games as huge as COD or Asssassin's Creed though. This is on top of this recent deal happening in a period in which many people are looking for a new console.

Some people saw those deals from previous months and decided to wait to see what MS would do for the Holiday season since there are usually (better) deals this time of year.

BG, even though you have valid arguments, the bolded is kind of reaching isn't it, if anybody invested hard enough in Xbox wanted an Xbox One by now, they would already have bought one with the absolutely bonkers deals going on for the last few months.

 

[krypt0nian]

I'm not even gonna try to guess the sales numbers because I'll be way off, but I'll give my reasoning for why I think it's impossible for Sony to win November

- Cod 1TB bundle
- White console(I know it's out in Oct, but with the price drop people will be waiting)
- Free game packins (even two, in some cases)
- $50 cheaper
- Less consoles to ship to europe so the supply should be higher than the PS4
- Halo
- Good word of mouth around the xbox lately with daily updates, good exclusives (SSO,FH2, MCC)

To add in that there has been a ton of complains lately about PSN going down constantly, driveclub not working, etc, I think will sway people to buy an xbox for CoD. Also, as I said in my post MS has been hyping up this holiday. If they think there is even a chance of losing, they'll bundle in EA access, XBL, do another free game deal, maybe even lower the price on the non bundled console to like $250-$299, I just think they will do everything in their power to ensure Xbox wins November, and probably December too.

MS just seems to have everything going for them this holiday while Sony is riding off last years E3 still pretty much, if Sony wins i'll be really shocked, but in a way I want to see it happen because i'll be able to witness the first true meltdown on here since being approved, but I don't think it will happen.

Prepare to have your mind blown then.

 

[EmptySpace]

just think of how much xbox is ripping people off if it can slash its price from 500 to 350 in less than a year and still make profit.

i remember an article in 2010 when 360 was still selling for 250 and the cost to make one is 100.

 

[wapplew]

BG, even though you have valid arguments, the bolded is kind of reaching isn't it, if anybody invested hard enough in Xbox wanted an Xbox One by now, they would already have bought one with the absolutely bonkers deals going on for the last few months.

I think he has a point. Look at NPD reports, see how much better games sale on 360 vs PS3.
Now when those users decide to jump, they will most likely stay with the familiar.

 

[King Beyond the wall]

Definitely not as big as COD.

It was hyped as the second coming of Jesus Christ, and people (game media) speculated that it may well be so. It's only in hindsight that we can say it couldn't reach that level.