Active console gamers at 60/40 gender split, usage data & genre preferences revealed

sry but i always wonder where they get their numbers. this could maybe apply to smartphones and tablets but mobile and stationary stuff? no way in hell.

its not the fact that i want to deny that girls are actually playing videogames, its the fact, that too many guys are playing videogames and pretend to be cool. and i seriously rarely meet any female gamers. thats why i wonder where they find all those female gamers....


am i living in the wrong world?
 
Sakujou said:
sry but i always wonder where they get their numbers. this could maybe apply to smartphones and tablets but mobile and stationary stuff? no way in hell.

its not the fact that i want to deny that girls are actually playing videogames, its the fact, that too many guys are playing videogames and pretend to be cool. and i seriously rarely meet any female gamers. thats why i wonder where they find all those female gamers....


am i living in the wrong world?
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By my cursory count, there's at least 7 women posting in this very thread, myself included. You probably weren't aware of that, so imagine all of the other female gamers you aren't aware of.
 
Anecdotally, I only really know one or two women that play video games (and a lot more guys than that), in real life. I'm sure I'd know more if I was an actually sociable person, but I'm not, so it's nice to have my personal perception of the situation proven wrong this way.

It's seriously awesome that the gender gap in players is this small. I had no idea! I hope we close it even more.
 
IchigoSharingan said:
great data......but it's depressing.

Wish women weren't so fucking harassed that by and large they remain cloaked away from being active in voice chats in games.

What can be done about this beyond personal accountability?

Set up a Neogaf gated community of gaming for men/women wherein if you harass a fellow gaffer, your gaf account is banned?
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So, just like it is right now?
 
Sakujou said:
sry but i always wonder where they get their numbers. this could maybe apply to smartphones and tablets but mobile and stationary stuff? no way in hell.

its not the fact that i want to deny that girls are actually playing videogames, its the fact, that too many guys are playing videogames and pretend to be cool. and i seriously rarely meet any female gamers. thats why i wonder where they find all those female gamers....


am i living in the wrong world?
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I would say: "Not every female gamer is wearing a Halo T-shirt and DOTA2 jacket, lining up for the latest CoD, blasting Mario dubstep on her phone".

Except do you know how many women I've seen with Zelda tattoos out and about? So actually, there are plenty of women "advertising" their gamerness now that I reflect on it. Maybe you are living in the wrong world!
 
CadetMahoney said:
Interesting. What's the gender split at video game tournaments?
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Overwhelmingly male, regardless of genre. There's economic work looking into this- this study found males had a emotional response to competitive games (relative to cooperative ones) that female gamers lacked, suggesting the men preferred them while women were indifferent to them (relative to other options.) http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0100318 Anecdotally- the most I've ever interacted with female gamers online was raiding in WoW - every guild I was in had them, and they were in there (time-wise) just as much as the guys were. Also, while male/female sports participation is relatively equal as kids, during puberty the girls drop out of sports at a much faster rate than the boys do.

Wii being lumped in with PS360 definitely explains the numbers being different from what we've seen in previous studies that had those segregated on their own, but it's definitely a rising # in general as its become more and more normalized among younger generations. However, the segregated genre camps may always be there to some extent as a perception speedbump.
 
The whole RPG talk on the first page wasn't remotely like that for me. Obviously anecdotal evidence/social circles are just that, but I've always known far more women who've played rpgs than men (not counting stuff like pokemon). I didn't really see many guys in my social groups dip into the genre until stuff like Mass Effect and fallout was releasing. Pretty much the opposite of what northeastmonk saw.
 
This is cool.

I'd ve interested in know what is defined as light and heavy. Is it money spent? Time spent? Personal definition?

I wouldn't call myself a heavy gamer but spend a fair amount and probably play 10-15 hours / week.
 
jim-jam bongs said:
orthodoxy going in hard for Most Hostile Poster of 2014
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I'm a student in a psychology program. I have quite literally been trained to question, criticize and demand answers regarding data, methodology and the studies they come from. Basic Research Methods 101 teaches you that.

Maybe my inquiry to EEDAR will yield some info. Doubtful, but hopefully. The reason I asked if anyone knew the actual methodology was because GAF frequently has insiders, and I was hoping one of them might have access to the full report and perhaps shed some light on the pretty numbers in the infographics.
Bold One said:
There is absolutely nothing hostile about his post. Any student past the undergraduate is taught to challenge the data presented to them.
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Precisely. We never accept data at face value. This is pretty basic stuff for anyone who deals with statistics.
 
Bold One said:
There is absolutely nothing hostile about his post. Any student past the undergraduate is taught to challenge the data presented to them.
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His tone is becoming increasingly hostile and condescending actually, and I say that as someone who doesn't disagree with his point that it's a good idea to look at how research has been collected when determining its value.

ThoseDeafMutes said:
Nah I think Amirox has it locked in.
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He does set the bar.
 
jim-jam bongs said:
orthodoxy going in hard for Most Hostile Poster of 2014
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Aka actually being smart and not taking stuff at face value is considered mean? What a backwards world I live in, where people are taught to believe everything. Methodology is important in any case, that's basic common sense 101.
Edit: Anyway I hope orthodoxy does get confirmation on what methods used. This is great info that could passed onto pubs.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
I'm a student in a psychology program. I have quite literally been trained to question, criticize and demand answers regarding data, methodology and the studies they come from. Basic Research Methods 101 teaches you that.

Maybe my inquiry to EEDAR will yield some info. Doubtful, but hopefully. The reason I asked if anyone knew the actual methodology was because GAF frequently has insiders, and I was hoping one of them might have access to the full report and perhaps shed some light on the pretty numbers in the infographics.

Precisely. We never accept data at face value. This is pretty basic stuff for anyone who deals with statistics.
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You came in starting with scare quotes around the word "study," and then didn't share any prior research you had done into trying to find the methodology or efforts you had made to request such information.

You also didn't weigh in with any thoughts on the data itself, or make it clear that you were hoping other people had the report and would actually be able to present you with the methodology used. Given that you knew it wasn't publicly available information, this would be important to share and would lend significant weight to why you were concerned about it.

I agree that it makes sense to ask about the methodology of a study, because it doesn't always make sense to take something at face value. Statistics can easily be used to paint whatever picture you want, and without knowing the true intentions and inner workings of the research, you can't judge if it is accurate or impartial.

However, if we agree on this much, why would you expect people to take your post at face value without you illuminating your reasonings and steps taken at the start, especially when your post is a counter to the validity of having the thread in the first place?

If your position was nigh indistinguishable from concern trolling without seeing this underlying information, then by the same token by which you question the study and if it has a hidden agenda - and asking for methodology is a correct form of questioning - you should be able to step back and see the value of why you might want to apply this same concept to a post you're making.
 
None of this is particularly out of line with previous research except for the console demographic splits. It could certainly be true, but I would like to see their methodology or what qualifies as a console (yes, I am aware that this is not available).
 
freddy said:
If you're trying to make someone look bad why let the truth get in the way?
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Hey all of his "people who want to discuss the data before knowing the methodology are ignorant and lack intellectual curiosity" did that before I even said anything, but I love to kick em when they're down.
 
On Demand said:
So the term girl gamer can finally go away? Good.

And maby female characters will have more of a presence now?


Eh. Who am i kidding.
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I think this is where the methodology questions come into play, to put some context into the numbers and give them some additional meaning. How was the sample identified, what percentage responded, what questions were asked, what were the answers given, and so on.

As this is their business, they aren't going to give those kind of details out to non customers, but it would be crucial for those people in decision making positions for their clients if they are going to be choosing what investments to make. If I have a game in development how much more will it cost in dev time and what return on that can I expect? How much risk am I (or my organization) willing to take on?

Interesting. Worthy of discussion. Not very actionable without more details from the full report. But then, if they gave it out for free what would people pay for?
 
Tinfoilhatsron said:
Aka actually being smart and not taking stuff at face value is considered mean? What a backwards world I live in, where people are taught to believe everything. Methodology is important in any case, that's basic common sense 101.
Edit: Anyway I hope orthodoxy does get confirmation on what methods used. This is great info that could passed onto pubs.
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Publishers who subscribe to EEDAR are already getting that information :lol
 
Remember when the term "Grrl Gamer" was a thing? Remember the "Frag Dolls"?

hahaha.
 
I'll say it again, anyone have any idea what happened to the sports genre?

That's a rather large missing genre of games, and one that's primarily male dominated.
 
Cyan said:
No, I think the part interpreted as hostile was the bit where he said "Just because you lack the intellectual curiosity as a consumer of research to question and challenge data doesn't mean others should be like that."
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Can you explain the hostile part here? Saying someone lacks intellectual curiosity on a certain aspect of a subject isn't hostile.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
I did that basic Googling and found that out as well pal. Which is precisely why I find relying on this data to be silly, even though I think the conclusions are right. Any study you can't read the methodology of is troublesome. That's why I challenged the data, because data that you can't examine and can only rely on summaries of isn't all too useful. I would stand by my claim that just accepting data at its face value is indeed lacking in intellectual curiosity.
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Ok, if you already knew that, why did you come on here acting like you didn't know the info you wanted was not easily found? Even if you were hoping maybe some one knew, why not post, "I tried to look it up but I can't find the info, does anyone here know the methodology?".

I dunno, your whole tone comes off as hostile from the start, not as some one who is curious or wants to make sure the data is correct. You hide from us that you already knew it was hard to find, act innocent in your first post as if you didn't know that it was hidden. Not even posting that, "I find it a little worrying that they hide their methodology/their methodology is not posted for people to see". At least that would be more forthright than this innocent act of not knowing the data wasn't posted pubicly that until some one called you out on it you kept up acting like.

You want people to believe you are not concern trolling, be more upfront rather than skirting around the issue like you did.
 
Kazerei said:
Publishers who subscribe to EEDAR are already getting that information :lol
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Yeah, saw all the pubs in that pic. But there could/should be more pubs and devs who should get the memo. You'd be suprised how much new info doesn't get into the corporste sphere. Suppose a campaign started to send them info? Should we KS it?
Cyan said:
Ditto. It's important to question data, and I'm not a big fan of researchers who refuse to show any of their work. But...



No, I think the part interpreted as hostile was the bit where he said "Just because you lack the intellectual curiosity as a consumer of research to question and challenge data doesn't mean others should be like that."
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Yeah, I did read that part. I concede he was being a cheeky smartarse, but I just thought he was miffed at being accused of concern trolling, whether it be true or not.
 
Tigress said:
Ok, if you already knew that, why did you come on here acting like you didn't know the info you wanted was not easily found? Even if you were hoping maybe some one knew, why not post, "I tried to look it up but I can't find the info, does anyone here know the methodology?".

I dunno, your whole tone comes off as hostile from the start, not as some one who is curious or wants to make sure the data is correct. You hide from us that you already knew it was hard to find, act innocent in your first post as if you didn't know that it was hidden. Not even posting that, "I find it a little worrying that they hide their methodology/their methodology is not posted for people to see". At least that would be more forthright than this innocent act of not knowing the data wasn't posted pubicly that until some one called you out on it you kept up acting like.

You want people to believe you are not concern trolling, be more upfront rather than skirting around the issue like you did.
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"Serious question here: how was the data acquired?" That was a question directed at fellow GAF posters, due to the fact that the summary itself included no info on methodology and the website itself includes no reports. I read the OP, I read the article the OP linked to and didn't find what I was looking for. Hence a question was asked.

But please, by all means, continue over-analyzing my actions and questions. You're right, I am suspicious of relying on reports where I can't read the methodology and data. That's simply being a smart consumer of research though.
Tinfoilhatsron said:
Yeah, saw all the pubs in that pic. But there could/should be more pubs and devs who should get the memo. You'd be suprised how much new info doesn't get into the corporste sphere. Suppose a campaign started to send them info? Should we KS it?

Yeah, I did read that part. I concede he was being a cheeky smartarse, but I just thought he was miffed at being accused of concern trolling, whether it be true or not.
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You're damn right I was miffed. My entire professional training is based on asking the questions I asked. The general populace is indeed lacking in the intellectual curiosity to go deeper with studies. Again, this is pretty much basic Research Methods 101.
 
Fehyd said:
I'll say it again, anyone have any idea what happened to the sports genre?

That's a rather large missing genre of games, and one that's primarily male dominated.
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Yeah, the lack of sports on consoles is very odd. It's been one of the most consistently popular genres throughout every generation of console. You see at least two sports games in the top 10 best selling games in the US every year.
 
It's baffling how many people in here think women don't play video games. Why wouldn't they? Are video games supposed to be the "good ole boys club" and now we are all standing around with forced smiles as we accept gender integration? Seriously, this thread turned into something from 1434 A.D.

OT: Hopefully Ubisoft pulls their head out of their butt and realizes it just might finally be the time to spend all those millions of dollars on making female avatars. I know they might need to reach out to MIT and NASA to learn the programming for how to make them walk but still....

numbers don't lie.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
"Serious question here: how was the data acquired?" That was a question directed at fellow GAF posters, due to the fact that the summary itself included no info on methodology and the website itself includes no reports. I read the OP, I read the article the OP linked to and didn't find what I was looking for. Hence a question was asked.

But please, by all means, continue over-analyzing my actions and questions.
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But overanalyzing is fun!
Tigress said:
Ok, if you already knew that, why did you come on here acting like you didn't know the info you wanted was not easily found? Even if you were hoping maybe some one knew, why not post, "I tried to look it up but I can't find the info, does anyone here know the methodology?".

I dunno, your whole tone comes off as hostile from the start, not as some one who is curious or wants to make sure the data is correct. You hide from us that you already knew it was hard to find, act innocent in your first post as if you didn't know that it was hidden. Not even posting that, "I find it a little worrying that they hide their methodology/their methodology is not posted for people to see". At least that would be more forthright than this innocent act of not knowing the data wasn't posted pubicly that until some one called you out on it you kept up acting like.

You want people to believe you are not concern trolling, be more upfront rather than skirting around the issue like you did.
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Ah the conspiracy starts!
The Technomancer said:
Excellent. Can we please use this to shut up once and for all the idea that "girls aren't playing real games"?
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While methodology is unclear, the data seems to be correct. I think the original comments were 'mobile? Lol not hardcore enuff!!' I believe mobile gamers play games and therefore, are gamers. So to answer your question. Yes.
 
jim-jam bongs said:
orthodoxy going in hard for Most Hostile Poster of 2014
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What on earth? Come on, this is silly. Like with every other set of data he's simply skeptical and has a right to be, especially since it contradicts other sources. Throwing passive aggressive comments his way for simply being skeptical of something just because it confirms your own thesis is a kind of shitty thing to do.

On that note, like orthodoxy, this does appear to be most in line with my own personal experiences but I too would like to know exactly how to gather data. As Pachter has shown us, just because they're hired to do work in the industry doesn't mean they're accurate.
 
Aces&Eights said:
It's baffling how many people in here think women don't play video games. Why wouldn't they? Are video games supposed to be the "good ole boys club" and now we are all standing around with forced smiles as we accept gender integration? Seriously, this thread turned into something from 1434 A.D.
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She's clearly not a real gamer and she's just trying to get attention from men:

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Interesting results. The thing that is the most surprising about it though is... fighting games in the top 5 (console) genres? Like, higher than sports even? That... can't be right.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
I did that basic Googling and found that out as well pal. Which is precisely why I find relying on this data to be silly, even though I think the conclusions are right. Any study you can't read the methodology of is troublesome. That's why I challenged the data, because data that you can't examine and can only rely on summaries of isn't all too useful. I would stand by my claim that just accepting data at its face value is indeed lacking in intellectual curiosity.
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That's all fine and good. But reasonable people that didn't even knew this company previously, or its partners, after a very simple and cursory search and using some heuristics will tend to rely on this data. It would be great to have access to the methodology of the research, but unfortunately that's behind a paywall. Which honestly even gives this data more credence. If companies will pay for this data then this research is accountable if there is some methodology errors. So an individual has three options: pay for the data and access its methodology, be reasonable and heuristically trust that this research findings are valid, or completely disregard this data. Companies that pay for this kind of research won't disregard it though. And that's ultimately what matters.
 
The Technomancer said:
Excellent. Can we please use this to shut up once and for all the idea that "girls aren't playing real games"?
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That idea was silly to begin with and should have never been used.

It's on the same level as "Heavy Rain/Beyond: Two Souls aren't games" and "Angry Birds isn't a game either" (effectively "I don't like game %s, so %s is not a game").
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
Precisely. We never accept data at face value. This is pretty basic stuff for anyone who deals with statistics.
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Sure, but just a heads up.
You're acting like a butt.
Not doing so is pretty basic stuff for anyone who deals with people.
 
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