Ferguson: Police Officer Kills 18yo Michael Brown; Protests/Riots Continue
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You say this as if these not-publicly known witnesses didn't tell their version of the events to anyone prior to going into the grand jury. The police/fbi canvassing the area would just knock on the door, ask if they saw anything, yes or no only, then tell them to expect a subpoena in the mail?
Thread callouts like that are bannable, he got away with one.
Who is contradicting the evidence? We don't know what evidence or what witnesses the grand jury has seen.
TV interviews are not testimony, we can't even be sure what those people said on TV is the same as what they said under oath.
Some dude posted some silly stuff, I was being tongue in cheek that it was you. Then he posted some really stupid shit, which why I edited. Apologies.
Jmanunknown
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Fair trial is something that would never happen in this case the prosecutor wants nothing to do with this case at all that is why he dumped all the evidence on the grand jury and put the onus on them whether or not to press charges.
The only way I personally see their ever being any type of justice being handed out is in a civil trial. Like I have said before police have way too much leeway when it comes to killing citizens so much in fact that they can legitimately get away with killing innocent people who have done absolutely nothing wrong as long as they followed every rule correctly. They will mark it down as a justifiable homicide and call the victim unlucky.
A civil trial might work ironically due to all those donations. Usually a cop doesn't really make enough to be collectible, but with those hundreds of thousands he received for his "legal defense fund"- he should be collectable, as in, the family could receive damages.
Also maybe the city could be sued as well.
Also maybe the city could be sued as well.
How can you prove someone had a fair trial? I would think that that is impossible to prove.
Yeah, going through the motions of doing justice doesn't mean that justice was done.
Uhh it's not like that's an unsolvable problem. We have hundreds of years of experience establishing rules for mistrials and appeals and stuff.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Then it was not a fair trial.
Show trials are not fair trials either.
milquetoast
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ry-and-ferguson-officer-darren-wilson-report/
Grain of salt time, anonymous was wrong about the officers identity in the beginning of all this. Double grain of salt time, it's the blaze.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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That's pretty much what everyone's expecting though, so even if it were verified it would be no great surprise or scoop
Antiochus
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A more authoritative source than the Blaze:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...189d80-6055-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html
It is shocking to see just how silent this thread has fallen compared to 2 months ago, when one would expect the opposite, namely that more would have been discussed as time goes by and more details are released that are more pertinent to the final result
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...189d80-6055-11e4-8b9e-2ccdac31a031_story.html
It is shocking to see just how silent this thread has fallen compared to 2 months ago, when one would expect the opposite, namely that more would have been discussed as time goes by and more details are released that are more pertinent to the final result
A trial would've seen a lot more interest but seeing how the evidence is all being shown behind closed doors there's not much to discuss really. We're only getting tidbits of info compared to what trial would've bought to light. We can't see for ourselves if the witnesses seem believable or stack up the evidence in any meaningful way.
The key term there is "civil rights charges", which isn't the same as criminal charges. For them to file civil rights charges, they'd have to know they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that WIlson was acting in a discriminatory way. I could see that being pretty difficult to do. It's one thing to guess if someone is probably a racist, but it's entirely another thing to prove he definitely is one in court.
Jmanunknown
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Why is it shocking how silent the thread is? Not a lot of people actually believe Darren Wilson would be charged with anything. It is unbelievably hard to actually charge a on duty cop with anything let alone convict one. It is especially hard when the prosecutor does not believe in the case or really want to try it. This was a uphill battle from the get go. The only justice Mike Brown's family will ever see is in a civil lawsuit. Someone is gonna pay sadly it'll probably be the tax paying citizens of St.Louis and not the officer who executed someone he'll get to go back and live the rest of his life knowing he can kill people and get away with it.
I was really fucking hoping, though and I hope they react accordingly if he isn't.
Can you define react accordingly? Because if you mean act like fucking idiots, even Fergusons own citizens would probably applaud the national Guard for cracking down on that. The whole metro area is tired of the bullshit that people are doing and hiding behind a dead kids name.
Do you mean the white ones, that would probably be upset about anything related to the brown incident? Or the black ones that are most likely to be protesting?
Are you from St. Louis? Blacks and whites don't want any bullshit. Everyone is tired of the unease. If you were from the area, you'd know of the bullshit that's been caused by outside sources such as the Vice Lords and anarchists who have ulterior motives.
This sounds eerily similar to what racist whites down south would have said around the time the Freedom riders got down there.
Chie Satonaka
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There's nothing to be done.
Jmunknown is right. This was beyond an uphill battle. We had video of a man being murdered in walmart without him doing anything. In the past four months, we've had this incident, the Walmart shooting, and Eric Garner being murdered in the middle of the street. Nothing happened to any of those killers either.
Same shit, different day. Nobody fucking cares, nothing will ever change. I just wish they'd go ahead and end this fucking farce, because that's all it is.
That sounds eerily similar to what someone who only knows that the msm tells you. Come to fucking Ferguson and ask the black business owners who haven't had a single customer in weeks how they are doing.
So blacks have stopped shopping since the Ferguson protests?
Everyone has stopped shopping in Ferguson. So yes, blacks have stopped shopping in Ferguson.
I doubt that, but if it is true that would be amazing. Protesting stopping the flow of capital is the quickest way to produce results. Hit them all where it hurts
I doubt that, but if it is true that would be amazing. Protesting stopping the flow of capital is the quickest way to produce results. Hit them all where it hurts
Except in this case, if you are a Ferguson resident, it hurts you as well.
I doubt that, but if it is true that would be amazing. Protesting stopping the flow of capital is the quickest way to produce results. Hit them all where it hurts
So hit the black citizens where it hurts? That's brilliant.
I doubt that, but if it is true that would be amazing. Protesting stopping the flow of capital is the quickest way to produce results. Hit them all where it hurts
Hit who? I'm not sure why you think stores closing and people moving out as fast is possible is going to help anything. City is going to be bankrupt and be absorbed by the county. You know the ones with the tanks?
So does living in a police state.
It is brilliant. Too many people content with living lives as second class citizens just because they have a full belly and some paper in their pocket. When you start changing the outlook of money is when people will start demanding change.
I think we are at the point where we can see where this goes. I don't personally think everyone will move out., the state will clamp down again before that happens.
What can happen though is the state is forced to change its institutional policies of murdering members of disenfranchised groups. This pressure, if it keeps building, will force this.
No what's going to happen is everything good in Ferguson will leave and you'll have another East St. Louis. No one wants that. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Or, you know, the state can be forced into changing its policies that allow police to harass and kill kids, and then walk free without any kind of punishment.
And if it doesnt then we should let the town burn and say fuck all of its citizens?
Of course not. I don't think anybody wants the city to burn, but people have to be realistic about what its going to take to force a group of people hellbent on oppressing you to change. The Ferguson which existed before this event will never return, but the people there can work towards making a new better one. Nobody wants to return to the status quo.
This some real half-baked revolutionary ideas you got, Mesousa.
Except, you know, all the men with the guns and the tanks. And all the people who pay them. And everyone wearing an I Am Darren Wilson shirt...
Except, you know, all the men with the guns and the tanks. And all the people who pay them. And everyone wearing an I Am Darren Wilson shirt...
Can anyone give me a non-snarky response as to why most of the elected officials in Ferguson are white? A couple of the responses here have led me to look again at demographics and it shows roughly 70% black population. Are there no black candidates standing, just a case of the elected officials being generally overall better candidates or a low voter turnout/apathy?
NYCmetsfan
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most likely. elections are probably in like march too
No one runs against them in the elections and the blacks in Ferguson don't vote.
Voter suppression.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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you sure it's not "the blacks"
Missouri has tried numerous voter suppression tactics but at the same time eligible black voters in Ferguson don't turn out anyway. Why should you turn out when there's only one guy to vote for?
Syphon Filter
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so when do we get an update?next year?
Ok, I found this graphic which shows black people will turn up if they feel like they have something to vote for. Which it seems they haven't when it comes to municipal elections.
Chart is sourced from this story.
Ok, I found this graphic which shows black people will turn up if they feel like they have something to vote for. Which it seems they haven't when it comes to municipal elections.
Link to the source, please.
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