Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S2 |OT| Can Secret Warriors Prevent A Civil War? - Off Season

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NathanCX said:
It's funny and I hate to bring this into the thread but I wanted to discuss it. I was reading an old Avengers vs Dark Knight thread and how people had decided that Nolan was some kind of great visionary and Whedon had no discernible talent and I thought that I'd check what they are critically, not where they are 'people on the internet' and I felt that Metacritic would be best for a quick look (67 for Whedon, 69 for Nolan in case you wondered).

Interestingly enough this resulted in me seeing the score for Agents of Shield season 1 (74, by the way) and as we exist in an ever-present battle of Marvel vs DC I thought I'd check Arrow (73) and I realised how full of shit people are. I've seen the first season of Arrow and saw it after consistently reading how AOS was trash and this was the real-deal, I know people who watch Arrow but they hadn't seen AOS so the comparison was never drawn and all I had to go off of was the internet.

I'll be the first to admit that AOS season 1 left me wanting but realising how critical this thread has been on Gaf and the lack of criticism I saw for Arrow left me feeling as if I had been on the wrong side of the argument critically due to the amount I had been told that AOS was terrible and Arrow was great.

Just thought I'd share my thoughts as I felt like writing it down somewhere.
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First, that Avengers v TDKR thread is always a hilarious read.

Second, Yeah, I'd absolutely put Arrow S1 and AoS S1 as being relatively equal, and the critical response bears that out (as you've shown). What's interesting is the huge gap in the user's rating on Metacritic. I think it comes down to expectations. A flagship network show connected to the biggest franchise in movie history is expected to be of a certain quality. On the other hand, Arrow being on the CW and not being connected to any previous properties allows it to get away with an insane amount of cheese. When critically examined, they both came out with equal scores, but, due to these expectations, the public scales one down by 10 points, and the other up by 10 points.

kirblar said:
The CW/WB DC TV shows have a specific audience niche they appeal to and market to.
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Indeed they do...

"Wildcat"
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AMUSIX said:
Second, Yeah, I'd absolutely put Arrow S1 and AoS S1 as being relatively equal, and the critical response bears that out (as you've shown). What's interesting is the huge gap in the user's rating on Metacritic. I think it comes down to expectations. A flagship network show connected to the biggest franchise in movie history is expected to be of a certain quality. On the other hand, Arrow being on the CW and not being connected to any previous properties allows it to get away with an insane amount of cheese. When critically examined, they both came out with equal scores, but, due to these expectations, the public scales one down by 10 points, and the other up by 10 points.
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Bingo. This is why AoS got lambasted in the S1 thread for "poor writing" while Arrow's sections of poor dialogue and plot arcs are largely skipped over. But what I think really made the difference is Arrow's overall pacing and fight scenes pleasing a comic audience more than AoS'. That's been the biggest change we've seen in AoS this year and the reception has been notably more positive.
 
S1 (especially the early stuff) is a warning lesson about the dangers of writing "family friendly" material instead of "all ages" material.
 
- EW: Hayley Atwell's Peggy Carter returning to 'Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'
If last week’s tease of Agent Carter wasn’t enough to satiate fans, Marvel has more of Peggy Carter on the way before her own show begins.

Marvel announced that Hayley Atwell will reprise her role as agent Carter
in this week’s episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. The episode, titled “The Things We Bury,” will largely revolve around a S.H.I.E.L.D./Hydra showdown, while Ward kidnaps his senator brother, Christian Ward, to revisit the pair’s past.

Still, “Bury” will make time for a Carter cameo and give viewers another glimpse into what she’s been up to in a post-Captain America world. Marvel is remaining mum on just how exactly she’ll play into the episode’s events, though it’s a safe bet she’ll be as badass she was in her previous appearance this season.

The episode will also include a guest spot from a Marvel-adjacent star, as Lou Ferrigno Jr. will play Agent Hauer in “Bury.” His father, Lou Ferrigno, the first live-action Hulk, has stayed in the Marvel family, having made a brief appearance in The Incredible Hulk and lent his voice to the green goliath in The Avengers.
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This episode airs Nov 18th. Not sure why they say it's this week.
 
Cornballer said:
while Ward kidnaps his senator brother, Christian Ward, to revisit the pair’s past
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Damn, this will be an episode with
flashbacks
. I hate
flashbacks
, I hated the last one with
Ward and his dog,
I skipped most of them. So
pace-breaking
.
 
I like seeing her too, but her main problem is that she is stuck 60 years in the past and she can't really interact with the rest of the universe.
 
I think it's awesome. They can have the first seven minutes of various movies show Peggy, Howard and Dum Dum uncovering some thing that sets off the present day events, and after a while just seeing her is shorthand for "this is something important".

Actually, that reminds me... I wish The Watcher existed in MCU. Just like, without explanation, he's in the sky during the Battle of NY and as Cap's plane goes down at the end of TFA. Maybe when Ronan talks to Thanos in GotG or something. Not every MCU climax, but just here and there, when it's THE most important of all important scenes.
 
How old is Christian Ward supposed to be? He looks at least ten years older than Grant in the present day, but only a couple years older in the Well flashback
 
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How old is Christian Ward supposed to be? He looks at least ten years older than Grant in the present day, but only a couple years older in the Well flashback
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Once you hit puberty, all bets are off when it comes to siblings looking their ages. I'm the eldest of three. NO ONE thinks so when they see the three of us (that is if they even think we are related!) There is a total of 32 months difference between the eldest (me) and the youngest (brother.) He has looked older than me since about 16. My sister and I looked the same age through about when she was 12. (18 months age difference.) By the time she was 14, she could pass for 18 without trying too hard. I OTOH got mistaken for a high-schooler till my late 20s. Even today people assume I am 10-15 years younger than my actual age.

Senator Ward likely has led a pretty easy life, so he's not going to look haggard. But unlike Grant, he probably hasn't been training for decades to be in top physical condition. (Which we know Ward does, even when in prison.) Looking older is an asset to a senator, after all it conveys gravitas and seniority.
 
Just blasted through the first six episodes of the season so far. God damn this show got better. It actually feels like a show about S.H.I.E.L.D. now, and not some MCU sideshow.

Mockingbird being a regular cast member is beyond my wildest dreams for this show after Season 1.
 
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