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[jem0208]

"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...Don't assume until you have footage tomorrow"

"If it looks like a duck, but walks like a guy in a duck suit, it's probably a guy in a duck suit"

This LOOKS like ADS, from the footage it appears to ACT like normal zoom.

Dude, we HAVE FUCKING FOOTAGE.

There is like, NO zoom.

It's ADS. I know it's hard to admit, but its CoD ads.

Seriously, I'm sorry... but it's ADS like in CoD.

EDIT:

I'm too angry to explain it well: Compare the zoom from old BRs with this one, it's barely any zoom in comparison.



See above (my edit).

Maybe this actually implies the BR's zoom is reduced?

It very clearly zooms slightly.

 

[TriStateTryHard]

Do you get de-ADSed if shot while aiming down sights? Then it's not just cosmetic people.

 

[RoKKeR]

Tourney starts.

Halo 2 Anniversary is my Halo 5 brehs

Still holding out hope for DLC maps.

 

[Xamtheking]

Do you get de-ADSed if shot while aiming down sights? Then it's not just cosmetic people.

Based on approximately all the other games on the genre, probably not

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

Dude, we HAVE FUCKING FOOTAGE.

There is like, NO zoom.

It's ADS. I know it's hard to admit, but its CoD ads.

Seriously, I'm sorry... but it's ADS like in CoD.

EDIT:

I'm too angry to explain it well: Compare the zoom from old BRs with this one, it's barely any zoom in comparison.



See above (my edit).

QFT

trust us

No denial of ADS is a confirmation. This is why the beta is so early, its basically floating ADS to see if people lose their shit. The gif is the worst couple of seconds I have ever seen. If you told me it was Destiny or CoD I would believe you.

 

[TriStateTryHard]

The only thing that slows you down in Halo is carrying an objective, not aiming your fucking weapon.

 

[CreateNowSleepLater]

Still holding out hope for DLC maps.

Forge Customs, maybe they take a few of the Forge maps and put them in the rotation. Unlikely until after the Beta though.

 

[GDJustin]

yeah, us fucking weirdos, not wanting our favorite series to literally become COD

Yeah. I'm a horrible person because I want devs of my favourite series to innovate the series, not transform it to CoD.

There's a difference between innovating what you have and just copying stuff others have. Because the latter has always worked well in the past, right?

For me, the big differentiator between Halo and COD has always been that Halo is a combat sandbox, and COD isn't. It's the millions and millions of little unintended moments of gameplay that spring up as a result. It's brilliant. And it's brilliant even with sprint or new aiming options or armor lock.

Killing someone with a cone to the head in The Pit. Killing someone with a splatter for a vehicle you weren't even in. Sniper ricochets. And on and on. Halo doesn't try to control the experience. Set the playground, set the pieces in the playground, and then take a step back and watch the fun unfold.

 

[Granadier]

isn't reach free?

This doesn't really have anything to do with it. Halo Reach had a higher pop than H4 even before going Games for Gold.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

All this goodwill they've built up. Thrown away by poor design decisions. What the fuck were they thinking.

 

[Syphon Filter]

QFT



No denial of ADS is a confirmation. This is why the beta is so early, its basically floating ADS to see if people lose their shit. The gif is the worst couple of seconds I have ever seen. If you told me it was Destiny or CoD I would believe you.

And it will stay there, it wont be removed in the final game.

 

[jem0208]

Do you get de-ADSed if shot while aiming down sights? Then it's not just cosmetic people.

Didn't 4 have this problem? Flinch instead of de-scope.


Honestly it was my biggest issue with the game.

 

[Computer]

I cant tell if the ADS kill"s the movement. The BR zoom is nerfed big time. Unless you can swap out scopes witch is probably the case. My guess would be you can put a scope on the BR that makes it old school zoom.

 

[TriStateTryHard]

All this goodwill they've built up. Thrown away by poor design decisions. What the fuck were they thinking.

Quinn "all shooters need Sprint and ADS" Delhoyo

 

[willow ve]

Didn't 4 have this problem? Flinch instead of de-scope.


Honestly it was the biggest issue with the game.

Flinch was the biggest issue with the game? Seriously?

 

[VisceralBowl]

Asked around, things can change but, assault rifle got dat ADS too, "pretty much" all the weapons. They're going for that e-sports scene very hard.

Welp.

.

 

[Euron]

All you hardcore Halo fans are a weird bunch. I don't envy the position 343 is in, or Bungie was in at the end.

Make even the smallest changes, and your biggest "fans" scream and howl.

Don't make changes, and you're stuck with a stale, old-feeling product.

The rule seems to be "older is always better." The old maps were better than the new. No armor abilities > armor abilities. Old weapons better than the new weapons. I'm not the world's biggest Halo fan, with "only" a 2000-3000 multiplayer games played, but I actually liked the DMR more than the BR. Does that make me a heretic? Am I entitled to that opinion?

343 is boxed into a corner by their fans that all have different opinions on what "Halo" is and will throw tantrums if the studio deviates from that in the slightest.

But it's not a small change at all. In fact, it changes the entire gunplay of Halo. Halo is a fast-paced run and gun shooter. As stated in the other thread, ADS turns it into a run OR gun shooter. Instead of moving around to get kills, players will be forced to stand in one spot to accurately shoot an enemy and get a kill, just like pretty much every other shooter these days.

And sprint? Sprint by default stretches out maps. We will never get something like Guardian ever again because the maps will need to be bigger because of default sprint. And if the movement speed was increased already, what would be the point of sprint?

You're comparing apples to oranges. We're talking about the very core of Halo's gameplay being altered to be identical to pretty much every other shooter on the market and you compare this to the BR vs DMR debate, something as simple as a weapon.

But of course, IGN will fully support everything like you always do. You'll give Halo 5 a 9.5-10, say how it's the best in the series, and include it in the top 5 in one of the hundred Top 25 Xbox games lists you'll inevitably have. You'll make it seem like a very small minority of extremist fans are complaining about something nonexistent yet at the same time, the community will drop even harder than it did with Halo 4.

 

[VinFTW]

Asked around, things can change but, assault rifle got dat ADS too, "pretty much" all the weapons. They're going for that e-sports scene very hard.

Welp.

I'm fucking done.

gonna go cry now

 

[TriStateTryHard]

Flinch was the biggest issue with the game? Seriously?

Biggest CORE issues were flinch and sprint. Things like perks or ordnance drops were not core mechanics and could be disabled.

 

[Ramirez]

Anyone who trusted this studio to deliver the Halo they wanted after 4 is a fool anyways, they admitted to hiring people who hated Halo, and by the looks of it, still are, lol.

FAIR STARTS, 4V4 ARENA GAMEPLAY

No different than the ole bait and switch they pulled with 4 when they unveiled Chief with just a BR, and then that gif came out. Just a bunch of misleading horse shit.

 

[Masterz117]

Plot twist: it's leaked CoD gameplay, not Halo

 

[Fracas]

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fuckin lol

 

[Insaniac]

this is highly disappointing, its a shame they didn't learn from their mistakes

 

[Onikaan]

.

 

[IHaveIce]

AR also has ADS according to shinobi

 

[Syphon Filter]

.

game over

 

[jem0208]

Flinch was the biggest issue with the game? Seriously?

I should have said my biggest issue.



It affected the core gameplay during a simple BR duel. That annoyed me.

 

[GreyWind]

I honestly don't see Beta feedback changing a core mechanic of the game, maybe tweaked but not removed completely.

 

[Ein Bear]

Asked around, things can change but, assault rifle got dat ADS too, "pretty much" all the weapons. They're going for that e-sports scene very hard.

Welp.

Well, that's that then.

God fucking damnit, I loved Halo so much.

 

[willow ve]

Going for that esports scene... with ADS and Sprint. Does anyone at 343 remember that Halo 3 OWNED the esports scene?

 

[The Flash]

Hey, at least there's MCC.

 

[jem0208]

.

Welp, shit.

 

[tootsi666]

For me, the big differentiator between Halo and COD has always been that Halo is a combat sandbox, and COD isn't. It's the millions and millions of little unintended moments of gameplay that spring up as a result. It's brilliant. And it's brilliant even with sprint or new aiming options or armor lock.

Killing someone with a cone to the head in The Pit. Killing someone with a splatter for a vehicle you weren't even in. Sniper ricochets. And on and on. Halo doesn't try to control the experience. Set the playground, set the pieces in the playground, and then take a step back and watch the fun unfold.

The big difference always was that Halo is run 'n gun, CoD is run or gun. Run or gun isn't always worse than run 'n gun, but it isn't Halo.

 

[GDJustin]

But of course, IGN will fully support everything like you always do. You'll give Halo 5 a 9.5-10, say how it's the best in the series, and include it in the top 5 in one of the hundred Top 25 Xbox games lists you'll inevitably have. You'll make it seem like a very small minority of extremist fans are complaining about something nonexistent yet at the same time, the community will drop even harder than it did with Halo 4.

I'm just a dude on a message board, man. I was a member of Halo GAF years and years before my current job.

 

[Onikaan]

I honestly don't see Beta feedback changing a core mechanic of the game, maybe tweaked but not removed completely.

We're a year out. It may be possible?

Dunno.

 

[EdibleExplosives]

We finally know who the Halo killer is, Halo itself. Cheers 343, thanks for making the game into every other shooter out there.

 

[Madness]

No point...

 

[klodeckel]

Welp, shit.

Okay, now I am also worried. However, I will wait until tomorrow.

 

[Raide]

Halo Tourney is like amazing time-travel. Great to see and hopefully it widens the Halo community but I also hope Halo 5 makes some interesting changes to freshen things up a bit.

 

[TriStateTryHard]

The big difference always was that Halo is run 'n gun, CoD is run or gun. Run or gun isn't always worse than run 'n gun, but it isn't Halo.

CoD is not "Run and Gun". CoD is the opposite of Run and Gun. If you want to fire at full accuracy you have to stop moving, go prone, and aim down sights. In Halo, you keep full accuracy no matter how fast you are moving. That is Run and Gun.

 

[RoKKeR]

.

Audibly laughed.

 

[Akai__]

Asked around, things can change but, assault rifle got dat ADS too, "pretty much" all the weapons. They're going for that e-sports scene very hard.

Welp.

RIP

I think the only way it might work is if they make hip-fire viable as in Destiny. Otherwise...eh..

What made more more sad is that, while MC is still playable, Locke really is the primary character. Goddamnit.

RIP in peace even more.

 

[ThatsMytrunks]

Cmon, don't give up now. Spin it as a positive. Maybe it's only all guns with ADS in one mode, and another mode won't have ADS in the weapons?

I'd be okay with that, but talk about a split community. :|

 

[Euron]

I'm just a dude on a message board, man. I was a member of Halo GAF years and years before my current job.

Sorry man, jumped the gun a bit. I'm just pissed that so many games are bombing right now, including some of my favorite franchises ever and many people seem like they don't see this.

 

[Ragnarok Flames]

fuck reviews and scores. people are out of touch with what Halo is.

 

[jem0208]

Okay, now I am also worried. However, I will wait until tomorrow.

Same, if confirmed then damn.

Cmon, don't give up now. Spin it as a positive. Maybe it's only all guns with ADS in one mode, and another mode won't have ADS in the weapons?

I've said multiple times that if it's actually ADS then fuck that shit. However from the footage it didn't look like ADS. I'll wait until I see the footage, however I'm less optimistic now.

 

[tootsi666]

CoD is not "Run and Gun". CoD is the opposite of Run and Gun. If you want to fire at full accuracy you have to stop moving, go prone, and aim down sights. In Halo, you keep full accuracy no matter how fast you are moving. That is Run and Gun.

Run OR gun

 

[TheXbox]

AR got ADS, huh?

Wow, 343 goofed. Like, slamming the cupboard door into your kitten's head on accident goof.

"We wanna make an esports game! Let's make it so that all the existing pros hate it!"

Lol

 

[JonCha]

I'd be fine if zooming in didn't slow movement speed, but it seems to in the video in which case I'm very disappointed.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Shinobi's posts pretty much just sealed the deal for me. The dream is dead.