World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor | Launch Thread

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So World of Warcraft is going to be on BBC Watchdog next week. Whoever created the thread on the WoW forums, congrats you have succeeded.

The new talent system is basically useless. It removes any real steady progress reward for leveling and as mentioned, are very situational. Often times, you could forget to fully spec your talent tree and not notice or really be impacted by it. It might as well not exist and be replaced with subclasses.

The old talent system was trash as a steady progress reward for leveling. It treated us like morons at best and created unnecessary pitfalls for new players that stratified the player base between 'bads' and everyone else. There was no choice, barely any need to shift for a specific situation, and artificially locked away key aspects of your spec that were clearly main mechanics all so it could pretend to be deeper on the reward scale than it was. That resulted in your class sometimes playing like a weak and boring version of the archetype it was attempting to create until you reached a specific tier. I think that's far more damaging to the leveling experience than missing out on receiving a point every other level to put into a the same exact spot everyone else did while avoiding built in pitfalls that had no intrinsic value. Nothing about the old system was worth keeping while there's a significant amount of benefit from a system that provides meaningful albeit situational choices that cater to your style or the encounter.

I mean, are we honestly so mindless that we would trade a handful of meaningful choices for a boatload of meaningless ones just to feel like we're being rewarded for progression? I think we can all see through that, especially when there are countless other methods to provide that feeling of reward and increased power.
 
You ask this, when whining players got a superior loot system booted for an archaic one because the new one 'felt' bad, so yes, people are in fact that mindless
 
Just received my CE edition but have a question. I haven't played since vanilla WoW. I really enjoyed playing as a Dwarf Hunter. Is that still a good character for PvE?
 
Sanity prevails!

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15355105387?page=127#2531

Short version: Personal loot returns as default for LFD, guaranteed drop from last boss, 3 drops from last boss instead of 2 if you're using NBG

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Lol, it didn't even last, what, 2 days?
 
Why didn't anyone tell me Prot Warrior is fun now? I mean i have been avoiding it for a longtime i did a level 90 boost with my paladin it is also fun but bought another level boost and damn prot warrior is sweet!

Sanity prevails!

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15355105387?page=127#2531

Short version: Personal loot returns as default for LFD, guaranteed drop from last boss, 3 drops from last boss instead of 2 if you're using NBG

Good. Wise decision there blizz.
 
Why didn't anyone tell me Prot Warrior is fun now? I mean i have been avoiding it for a longtime i did a level 90 boost with my paladin it is also fun but bought another level boost and damn prot warrior is sweet!

It gets better

Gladiator Stance is legit awesome dps

It's so good it's going to get nerfed into the ground, so enjoy it while you can

(also you'll make LFD groups really confused and mad at you for dpsing in prot)
 
It gets better

Gladiator Stance is legit awesome dps

It's so good it's going to get nerfed into the ground, so enjoy it while you can

(also you'll make LFD groups really confused and mad at you for dpsing in prot)

Well let's hope they don't nerf it to hard because leveling as prot is awesome but they will think different lol.
 
So at 8am I have the bright idea to finally jump in on the expansion, 10 minutes before 2 hour maintenance. I then finally got on at 10am, and just now coming up for air at 5:18pm... I haven't 7 hour marathoned a game in years... This expansion is just soooo gooood.
 
It gets better

Gladiator Stance is legit awesome dps

It's so good it's going to get nerfed into the ground, so enjoy it while you can

(also you'll make LFD groups really confused and mad at you for dpsing in prot)

Speaking of which. We did a 4/5 guild run yesterday where our warrior queued as tank instead of DPS because our DK hadn't completed the proving grounds for tanking yet. We mention this at the beginning to our pug healer to bring him up to speed, or so we thought.
At some point between the first boss and the 2nd boss (in SM Burial Grounds), we ask him why isn't he healing our DK. He says "I'll heal him when he stops overaggroing". The poor guy must've been fuming because of our DK tanking and our "tank" warrior DPSing in gladiator stance :D
 
Anyone know if blizzard have said anything about the idea of making challenge mode rewards boa? I get frustrated at the very thought that I would have to get gold on like 5 different characters if I want them all to be able to wield one of those badass looking weapons.
 
So, did they ever implement the system they talked about where your gear changes stats when you switch specs? I read a blue statement about that a while back and really hope it was added in for this xpac.
 
I've gotta say, giving prot warriors a DPS "spec" ,if you will, with gladiator stance was one of the best things they've ever done for the class. I've always wanted to be a sword and board dps and now we finally can.
 
So, did they ever implement the system they talked about where your gear changes stats when you switch specs? I read a blue statement about that a while back and really hope it was added in for this xpac.

It's been in for a while.

There's only a couple of pieces of gear that it doesn't apply to, but it it's there.

Anyone know if blizzard have said anything about the idea of making challenge mode rewards boa? I get frustrated at the very thought that I would have to get gold on like 5 different characters if I want them all to be able to wield one of those badass looking weapons.

Unlikely. They'll prolly be like the armor sets in that you're only getting them to use on whatever character earned them.
 
Holy shit this xpac is good, way beyond anything ive seen so far in wow.

Full story campaign is really cool and something I wanted since wow came out.

Garrison also seems like a fun side game :)

Only downer is that I still think there are too many skills and talents.
 
Holy shit this xpac is good, way beyond anything ive seen so far in wow.

Full story campaign is really cool and something I wanted since it came out.

Garrison also seems like a fun side game :)

Yeah, IMO, this is by far the best wow xpac yet.
 
So in theory, could I have two DPS specs and a tank spec as a Warrior? Arms/Prot and just switch my Prot talents when I want to go Glad?

Nine crates away from unlocking the level 3 Salvage Yard :D
 
NAGRAND

IS SO

FUCKING

BORING

So much this. What a disappointment, such a great potential wasted as you end up passing 90% of your time on your mount circling around mountains, 5% climbing and 5% actually doing something. Quest lines also feel really bland compared to the rest of WoD.
On the bright side, we'll never see Garrosh again, good riddance.
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So much this. What a disappointment, such a great potential wasted as you end up passing 90% of your time on your mount circling around mountains, 5% climbing and 5% actually doing something. Quest lines also feel really bland compared to the rest of WoD.
On the bright side, we'll never see Garrosh again, good riddance.
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Yeah I thought Nagrand sucked hard.
 
So in theory, could I have two DPS specs and a tank spec as a Warrior? Arms/Prot and just switch my Prot talents when I want to go Glad?

Nine crates away from unlocking the level 3 Salvage Yard :D

Yes if you have prot and arms/fury you have 2dps and 1 tank spec. I just wish they made gladiator a fury spec so you could have 2h and board but whatever, I'll take it. lol
 
Gladspec makes me hope that in the next xpac, instead of bringing out another class, blizz will just give some classes (or all of them) a new fourth specialization. Feels like we see inklings of this in some of the 100 talents - CoP for spriests, the lone hunter talent, Gladspec, etc - and I hope they take it further. Warlock tanks, shaman tanks (shield spec!!!), rogue bandage healers, dual wandslinger priests, etc.

Gonna be a nightmare to balance but that's not my job~
 
Gladspec makes me hope that in the next xpac, instead of bringing out another class, blizz will just give some classes (or all of them) a new fourth specialization. Feels like we see inklings of this in some of the 100 talents - CoP for spriests, the lone hunter talent, Gladspec, etc - and I hope they take it further. Warlock tanks, shaman tanks (shield spec!!!), rogue bandage healers, dual wandslinger priests, etc.

Gonna be a nightmare to balance but that's not my job~

That's my hope too because a 4th spec is exactly what Glad is. In case anyone is wondering, Gladspec is amazing. Hope Blizz doesn't nerf it. Most fun I've had dpsing as my War.
 
Really glad I finished questing in Nagrand. I thought I had hit a wall as far as gearing for heroics went, but clearing out that zone took me from 595 iLvl to to the required 610.

Should have the 2k resources for the lvl 3 garrison today! Going to get a salvage yard and dwarven bunker to start it off.

Having played thru a good chunk of Warlords, I can now say that it is my favorite expansion. i haven't been this addicted to it since Vanilla. My schoolwork is backing up lol.
 
One thing I wish is, after all these years, please give us an interface option to put one handed items on our backs instead of waists.
 
So I played through Frostfire Ridge yesterday. That was easily the most enjoyable start to an expansion I've ever had. I never LOVED leveling through the zones in previous expansions, but I feel like they've really hit on something special with this one. It feels like an experience, I genuinely want to keep going not just for the sake of getting to cap, watch the story unfold, explore the areas, etc.

They really outdid themselves this time
 
My Altoholicism just struck I think. I got one character to 93, then another to 92, another to 92. Christ this is going to be hell. 11 characters to one level at a time.

The hell of having too much to choose from. :(
 
Treasure hunting in Gorgrond I stumbled upon Blook. Beat him and he's a follower now (procc'd as Epic quality too). So yeah, I have a giant walking around my garrison. :D
 
Gladspec makes me hope that in the next xpac, instead of bringing out another class, blizz will just give some classes (or all of them) a new fourth specialization. Feels like we see inklings of this in some of the 100 talents - CoP for spriests, the lone hunter talent, Gladspec, etc - and I hope they take it further. Warlock tanks, shaman tanks (shield spec!!!), rogue bandage healers, dual wandslinger priests, etc.

Gonna be a nightmare to balance but that's not my job~

I've been wanting this since I realized that one blue post in wotlk about pure DPS classes being designed to do slightly more damage than hybrid damage dealers was a big stinking lie. Still hanging onto the dream 6 years later. Rogue tank would be easier, but, a rogue healer would be far more fascinating/interesting to me (prefer healing over tanking).
 
Is it just me or are Holy Priests pretty easy to heal with in Heroics? I've heard of other healers struggling, but I am rocking it rather easily, and I am using the single target CHakra too boot.

Most boss fights I have 50% or more mana left and everyone alive. I mean, obviously I think I'm a pretty good player ,but this just can't be me right?

This is encouraging. As a kickass shadow priest in heroics so far, it's looked like Druids and shaman have had a bitch of a time healing. But maybe it was an undergeared tank or poorly performing players standing in fire.
 
I was wondering how long it would take for personal loot to return.

Just looking at the threads with about +400 rating for people wanting it back and other people getting blasted with like -200 for saying they're glad it's gone, lol.

I don't think I've ever seen the community agree this much that a feature should return asap.
 
Treasure hunting in Gorgrond I stumbled upon Blook. Beat him and he's a follower now (procc'd as Epic quality too). So yeah, I have a giant walking around my garrison. :D

Ooo, wtb. I'm hurting for followers. I only have 18, only one epic, three rare, and only two at 100. Between that and not having the greatest variety of abilities among them, I feel woefully Unequipped to handle many missions and counters.

Using the L2 Tavern to recruit a follower with Scavenger though - even an uncommon one at 90 - has proven invaluable. Dude TRIPLES my GR gain on missions. I must get him to 100 asap.
 
Man, I may have to try Gladiator stance. Is it more fun than fury?

I like fury's playstyle better but you pretty much fill every gcd as Glad (though I suppose you could with fury as well). Glad is also way more dps than fury.

Trying out arms now and it flows kind of oddly. Like sometimes I'll have way too much rage and sometimes too little.
 
I like fury's playstyle better but you pretty much fill every gcd as Glad (though I suppose you could with fury as well). Glad is also way more dps than fury.

Trying out arms now and it flows kind of oddly. Like sometimes I'll have way too much rage and sometimes too little.

Yeah I'd like to try Glad once I hit 100. And I agree with the arms comment, thinking of switching to Fury for leveling.
 
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