Mechanized
Member
LOL man that was his fault. You can't pull 3 groups in Iron Docks unless you are fucking legit and you know your healer is well geared. This isn't like MoP endgame, it's a new expansion. Tanks should be taking things super careful. The few times I've got into a dungeon I've seen the damage people have been taking and the whole group gets hit pretty hard sometimes, heals definitely has a tough job and an extra pack can mean the difference between survival and a wipe. Tanks are going to lose a lot of health fast on some pulls. The game has been rebalanced so tanking and healing isn't faceroll anymore(in general), you gotta work for it.
I remember at the end of Wrath on my Disc Priest. I could go through heroics casting PWS on everyone and that's literally all I had to do and that was just dungeon geared.
That's what I assumed, but damn if it isn't sobering to go from MoP, where you felt like a healing god who could basically will a group through an instance (and do damage on the side!), back to barely being able to keep up with 1 group mishap (pulling an extra group, people standing in fire, etc...). Guess I'm going to have to finally make that LFG Dungeon macro that just says "Hey guys, this isn't [insert last expansion]. Don't pull 3 packs, don't stand in stupid damaging stuff, and please give me time to drink after fights. Love, Your Friendly Neighborhood Owensboro."
I'll get used to it, it's just different. Maybe it's time to just actually install a DPS meter and let the bad DPS die instead of trying to keep EVERYONE alive. It hurts my soul to do that though! I love keeping people alive.
Schweinehund
Member
Ashran huge waste of time for melee. Try to tank commander, getk illed have to run back from base, commander dies meanwhile, no honor recieved. May as well just sit back and hit throw.
Just keep the tank up, if my damage meters are to be believed we wind up doing more DPS than the randoms you'll get anyway.
Agree, these open world zerg fests PvP zones are boring as fuck to play as a melee character
Heroics aren't too hard, not Cataclysm level at least. A stiff enough challenge to not just AoE faceroll everything out of the gate, fine with me.
The feels when you have 630/636 ilvl gear in all your slots except weapon
I usually just Death Grip someone into our zerg on cooldown and drop Defile under or apply Necrotic Plague to theirs
RandyBobandy
Banned
How are garrisons still broken? Every time I try and hs back there it just crashes my game
Alex
Member
I have very honestly never encountered a single issue at my garrison (or with the game at all, but I purchased it after the server reinforcements). Is this limited to a certain region or have I just been lucky?
This expansion tries the personal responsibility shtick from Cataclysm again, I feel it does it better though. You will very much feel a huge difference between group quality. If a tank is playing right, if your DPS is paced right, etc.
Disc is very fine, like every class right now it has some abilities that need some tweaks but you just need to be on top of things unless you're going in over-leveled. They give you more leeway in not having to get a heal off the millisecond they take damage but if you don't play triage right or if you're group is full of dummies you wont be able to keep up.
Just keep your (glyphed) shield up every time you can, take Surge of Light and hold procs for when you need them, charge Archangel during lulls and hold it for tighter periods, same for power infusion. If you can't keep your tank up without sweating bullets when using your own tools properly in leveling dungeons then:
1.) Your tank is doing a poor job
2.) Your DPS are taking too long
3.) Your group bit off more than it can chew.
Don't let people call you out for nonsense if you know it isn't your fault.
I actually had a bit of a hard time in spots too until my wife got fed up of slow groups and started tanking and doing it properly and difficulty cut in like half despite going twice as fast.
I'd also imagine it gets a little more room at 100 when you get that G.Heal esque shield.
moerser
Member
destro quite simply doesnt scale as well as other classes. i think this has been a huge issue in the beta. i think numbers will be tweaked after a few weeks after the raids open.
Thank you for your input. Some have said I should just roll another class, like a DK or a warrior for better DPS. I'm just so attached to my warlock. I really love playing as one. I don't want to abandon him. I hope you are right they get tweaked.
Lanrutcon
Member
At 100 it's pretty tragic.
If you really are attached to him then I wouldn't sweat it in the long run. I can't imagine they'll let locks languish for too long.
Blizzard is reverting dungeons to Need before Greed loot instead of the awesome personal loot system for some completely baffling reason.
Give feedback here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15355105387?page=1
Give feedback here: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/15355105387?page=1
maniac-kun
Member
I... I.. just logged off while i was in my garrison....
Fuck.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
A lot of my friends are really hating it for dungeons.
I'm sort of in the middle on it. I got 3 pieces from one dungeon and 0 from 2. I think there is more satisfaction in seeing 1 item drop for 5 people each boss as an accomplishment than only getting one chance per player.
Speaking of healing...
I tried heroic Grimrail Depot earlier today. Dungeon Finder, got in, only to find 4 guildies at the first boss.
9 wipes later, this boss is still standing. To be fair, it's a hard boss holy hell. I get kicked, as did the first healer, because obviously it's the healer's fault.
No. No it isn't. DPS finally have to pick up their slack. No longer can we afford to heal them through fire and blast zones. No longer can they go "Adds? Interrupts? LOL who needz this shit look at mah deeps". "I needed heals wtf healer you suck!" No sir. I literally cannot afford to heal you to compensate your mistake.
And I love it.
I wonder if that guild ever got around to finishing that dungeon. I wager not.
I tried heroic Grimrail Depot earlier today. Dungeon Finder, got in, only to find 4 guildies at the first boss.
9 wipes later, this boss is still standing. To be fair, it's a hard boss holy hell. I get kicked, as did the first healer, because obviously it's the healer's fault.
No. No it isn't. DPS finally have to pick up their slack. No longer can we afford to heal them through fire and blast zones. No longer can they go "Adds? Interrupts? LOL who needz this shit look at mah deeps". "I needed heals wtf healer you suck!" No sir. I literally cannot afford to heal you to compensate your mistake.
And I love it.
I wonder if that guild ever got around to finishing that dungeon. I wager not.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Thank fuck
Yeah, that first boss is a retard check.
Tank needs to correctly position boss and dps needs to correctly switch off the big guy when the goblin is stunned. Or else you'll get fucked pretty quickly when the big guy dies.
PlumCantaloupe
Member
Yeah haven't tanked since Cata, but it seems we are needed, and the dungeons definitely have us almost never at full health. Definitely appreciate the challenge but some dps still expect to steamroll it and we end up dying on adds in Skyreach.
That being said this is my first time tanking as a brewmaster so I probably still need to learn
That being said this is my first time tanking as a brewmaster so I probably still need to learn
Because feelings.
Unless that one item that drops isn't usable by anyone in the group.
Stupid change.
arhra
Member
So, the anniversary event went live in Europe. Queued into MC LFR, put up with people being complete retards on trash (pulling like it was a retro-raid transmog run), killed Luci and got ~30g for my trouble after spending most of the fight on the floor after being murdered on the first MC cast, got past the dogs (killing some of them three times because people couldn't just let them despawn before pulling the next pack), started fighting Maggy... and the instance servers shit themselves and everyone was booted.
Fun.
At least the Corgi is cute.
As a plate dps who frequently queues with one or both of a plate tank or a plate healer (and not infrequently another plate dps), I can't wait to disenchant all that cloth/leather/mail that no-one wants!
Fun.
At least the Corgi is cute.
As a plate dps who frequently queues with one or both of a plate tank or a plate healer (and not infrequently another plate dps), I can't wait to disenchant all that cloth/leather/mail that no-one wants!
Why? Crafting supplies are practically raining from the skies.
arhra
Member
I think you need to calibrate your sarcasm detector.
Oh. I bet that argument has actually been made seriously already on the official forums though.
Surprisingly, in the now stuck 26 page thread on the change, it's overwhelmingly negative towards the change. The mmo champ poll on it is like 60% in favor of personal loot as well.
Baffling change.
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
FInally level 100!
Now to collect 2000 garrison resources -.-
Now to collect 2000 garrison resources -.-
CelticKnight
Member
They pulled the plug on Molton Core, it's not supposed to go live until 10am CET (9am in the UK). It went live early for some reason.
Yes, thank you so much Blizzard.
Sorry my interrupt is like 25 second cool down.
It's a team effort. I just had to deal with shitty healers, shitty tanks, and shitty DPS. Everyone should realize they can't sandbag it anymore. Annoys me to no end how some of these people did proving grounds and they still play like they just got the game.
Nope, horrible change. Now we're back to people needing shit for their off-spec, and people from the same guild / friends needing items so they have a greater chance of getting it. Have fun having to roll against people for your loot instead of just getting it. Watch the amount of gear you get decrease.
This is really true. I have seen an increase of players queueing together. At times, I see 3 people in the same guild in my dungeons. If they all can roll need for one other person, they'll most likely get it.
I wasn't getting anything but waist drops and gold. Can't get any worse.
arhra
Member
People in trade were saying they'd been booted from lowbie dungeons as well, though.
I guess whatever they had to do to shut it all down was kinda drastic.
CelticKnight
Member
Blizzard employee: "I said pull the plug... not all of them!"
The servers will probably still die a slow, painful death tomorrow anyway when it does go live for real. This was just a portent of things to come.
Can't be worse than launch. Plus I'm glad I'm still in a low pop server. I wont have to deal with ridiculous queue times once the servers get packed.
I used to think that way too, but then I got 9 drops on my first mythic run. Now I don't know what to think.
Anyone that thinks NbG for pugs is better legitimately doesn't understand basic statistics OR the average wow pug player mentality. This has to be the most ridiculous 'we listened to feedback' change in the world - those of us that weren't completely blinded by 'HURR DURR I DUN LIKE CHANGE' didn't even know there was an outcry because we recognized the superior system almost immediately.
/rant off.
/rant off.
HarryDemeanor
Member
I don't see this backfiring at all!
I don't like that change. I will leave feedback. It's still the old way if you queue with a full party. Had that happen to me earlier in the week.
Relativ9
Member
So I haven't really played properly since wotlk, is it me or does the new talent system suck balls?
I get that they wanted to simplify and condense things, while also removing talents that we're practically obligatory. But it seems like all the new stuff is situational at best or often times down right meaningless. Entire tiers are dedicated to skills or upgrades that could only possibly be useful in pvp. Which is a giant fucking waste when you don't use that particular spec in pvp.
I get that they wanted to simplify and condense things, while also removing talents that we're practically obligatory. But it seems like all the new stuff is situational at best or often times down right meaningless. Entire tiers are dedicated to skills or upgrades that could only possibly be useful in pvp. Which is a giant fucking waste when you don't use that particular spec in pvp.
TatteredHat
Member
The loot systems seems made for Personal Loot, so far I've also gotten way more useful drops with that system than with Need/Greed, last guild group HC I did only dropped plate when we had no plate users with us.
New talent system is MILES above the old. If you're not seeing use for most of your talents, you're not considering them correctly. I changed talents more in Mists of Pandaria for legitimate interesting reasons than I have in the previous 8 years combined, I 100% guarantee that.
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