Dreamwriter
Member
In other sports, saying that would be considered unsportsmanlike conduct. In the NFL, for example, excessive profanity or other unsportsmanlike conduct triggers a minimum fine of $10,500.
Starcraft 2 player disqualified from tournament because of rape tweet
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ReturnOfTheRAT
Member
Let's all stay away from "rape this" or "rape that" rhetoric moving forward.
pinkurocket
Member
Wow the comments here of those banned accounts. I'm glad I only saw them in the aftermath, what damn ignorance.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
Member
yes he said "I will fuck you until you love me faggot" Mike Tyson is the wrong person to use while trying to prove a point about ignorance.
Yes, please. If there's any chance of esports gaining more mainstream recognition, we need to continue to send the message that this kind of behavior isn't okay.
BrassMonkey1010
Member
He's a free agent. Why would anyone want to face that PR nightmare picking up a washed up RB? That doesn't change the fact that he actually beat his girlfriend and ONLY got a 2 game suspension. Do you actually think he would get a longer suspension if he said, "we are going to rape Tom Brady and the Patriots" in a tweet?
Nowadays? Yes. I don't know why you think I'm somehow saying anything about one thing being worse than another. The NFL mishandled Ray Rice like crazy and still suspended him, even if it was for a ludicrously small amount of time.
I honestly don't know what you think I'm saying here.
Let's be realistic. It wouldn't get a person fired or denied from every job in his future. We've seen disgraced public figures pick up their lives after the biggest fuckups ever. If pro gaming is this guy's career, that's what people here are suggesting -- that he forever be denied work by any potential employer. It's a crazy suggestion for someone who isn't an outright criminal.
Dreamwriter
Member
Also, the tweet was made during a game. In the NFL, tweeting or posting on social networks from around 90 minutes before the game until the game is finished gives you a fine. For e-sports to keep growing their reputation as legitimate sports, they need to be very strict.
This whole exchange had me in stitches.
"HUR DURR PEOPLE GET SO OFFENDED BY MINOR THINGS LIKE CALLING PEOPLE NAMES, WHINERS!! HURR DURR"
*ShockingAlberto points out a pattern in his posting*
STOP ATTACKING ME!!!! HURR DURR
...
Jesus, LOL
BrassMonkey1010
Member
I just can't believe that you think the NFL would step in and ban someone for a long time over a tweet when they are so incompetent handling actual physical abuse cases.
While sure, barring him from playing in every event from here on out would be excessive as a single punishment, but I would not judge any organizer running an event that chooses to not allow him to enter. The tweet in question is beyond out of line and directed at a competitor. So anyone organizer that would rather not have someone like him there, more power to them and he brought that on himself.
Curious_George
Neo Member
Absolutely. Dude is still young and stupid. We've all made stupid mistakes at that point in our lives. No sense in malicious punishment like lifetime bans for a single mess up (some of you are basically proposing a one strike and your out style punishment). Missing out on a big tournament is still punishment. Most young professional gamers probably only manage a few years in major competition before they either fall off due to age or have to move on with their life anyway.
aygomyownroad
Member
They did the right thing. Hopefully he will learn from this and grow up.
Ray Rice should have been suspended indefinitely.
The Starcraft 2 player in question should have been suspended as well, but maybe not indefinitely.
Does this make sense to you? I feel like you're arguing with yourself.
Kas is an idiot for tweeting that and his competition ban is well deserved.
Now with that out of the way, Maddelisk would've kicked his ass if he tried anything funny. He really couldn't have picked a worse target for that poorly worded piece of trash talk.
Now with that out of the way, Maddelisk would've kicked his ass if he tried anything funny. He really couldn't have picked a worse target for that poorly worded piece of trash talk.
(that's her with her gym buddies)
Hopefully this is something that everyone can agree on.
Not trying to defend anyone here, but it was originally used as a way to describe how badly you, yourself or your team was defeated or being defeated anyway. So while being much less important of a reason to stay away from this rhetoric than it being offensive and threating when used this way, there's also the case of "You're doing it wrong"
BrassMonkey1010
Member
That makes sense to me. What didn't make sense to me was your comment, "Pretty sure if a real professional athlete said he was going to rape another player in public, he'd be suspended for a long while."
I personally don't think they would face much of a consequence (sadly), which is why I brought up the Ray Rice situation and the Tyson quotes, which show instances where athletes did and said horrible things with little to no consequences.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
I know this guy got banned, but holy shit at him responding to me asking for examples of something he dropped as "not an opinion, just the facts!" by saying "When did I ever claim that women should use their gender as a shield to make rape jokes?"
There was less than 50 posts between his original post, my post, and his retort, and he played the fool. There's no way he read that wrong.
Lunareste
Member
Keep in mind English is not his first language. He probably hears the term "rape" in competitions pretty often so he meant to "beat" her.
He called her "some girl" because she's just that. She's a no-name, low masters trash tier pro who overall does little to nothing for the scene. There'd be ZERO outrage if he said "going to rape some guy" because that's something we all hear all the time, but heaven forbid he treats a girl equally and says something he would say to any other pro in the scene.
The irony is staggering. Literally ZERO outrage when PartinG tells Avilo he's going to rape him in the same week.
Just throwing it out there that this isn't as simple as it seems.
He called her "some girl" because she's just that. She's a no-name, low masters trash tier pro who overall does little to nothing for the scene. There'd be ZERO outrage if he said "going to rape some guy" because that's something we all hear all the time, but heaven forbid he treats a girl equally and says something he would say to any other pro in the scene.
The irony is staggering. Literally ZERO outrage when PartinG tells Avilo he's going to rape him in the same week.
Just throwing it out there that this isn't as simple as it seems.
lmao here's another one.
It's a really simple situation: Don't go saying you're going to rape an opponent, especially when you're a professional player.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Seems he had a bit of a brain fade there. Happens to the best of us (brain fades, not think rape is ok). Id like to believe he isn't for raping women.
Anton Sugar
Member
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Just because there's no outrage when someone else does it doesn't mean the phrase is okay.
Say you're jaywalking with a bunch of other people and a cop only tickets you. Should you get off scot free because all those other people jaywalked with no consequences?
How wonderful it is that this is the SCII thread that gets traction on the main page.
Destiny isn't a bad guy, he has worked to improve himself tremendously from where he was years ago, maybe he'll learn from this.
Everyone just listen to Incontrols talk on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-2UeibQllU
Destiny isn't a bad guy, he has worked to improve himself tremendously from where he was years ago, maybe he'll learn from this.
Everyone just listen to Incontrols talk on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-2UeibQllU
Lunareste
Member
No, absolutely not, and I don't think "rape" was the right word to use. Just saying you don't have to crucify the guy because he may not have understood the implications of what he said.
Sorry to everyone, sometime i really doing stupid tweets, hate myself for thatsorry
https://twitter.com/cScKas/status/535853027866198017
This was an amazing exchange.
While it is true, did you heard of the specific story he said where one player, Parting, said the same thing to an other player? Or any of the countless occasion on lots of games were such things are said between two guys? While I agree this should not be said to anyone, usually nobody gives a shit at all to these "jokes", the reason why it is such a big subject and why there is an 11 pages thread here is because it was said to a woman.
But obviously, I agree, it is normal there is more fuss in this case since this word carry more weight when it is said it to a woman as it is perceived as way more agressive, but let's not pretend there would have been this thread here if Kas tweeted it to a man.
On a positive note about the starcraft community, I would like to point out that among the best players of the game there is a transgender called scarlett, she is an amazing player and has lots of fans and from what I know, she did not suffer from discrimination, was invited (and still is) to tournament and is praised by all other players. While it is a little bit off topic, I still wanted to said that there are also good stories in starcraft 2. ^^
And_Gignac
Member
Aaw, now I feel bad for him. Hopefully this will teach him to be more careful and inteligent with his word´s choices.
There's no need. He brought all the criticism on himself. Whether he's a bad guy or not is besides the point. He said something he shouldn't and whatever backlash he gets from it is deserved.
IronicSonic
Member
The simple fact that "rape" or other words are being used as a regular word to referring to something or someone in gaming culture, tell us that our subculture is based on violence and sexism ("rape some girl" referring to other player). Even more than society as a whole.
The fact that someone try to justify that tweet saying "that's the way it is" in our medium, only reproduce that violence and damages our hobby
The fact that someone try to justify that tweet saying "that's the way it is" in our medium, only reproduce that violence and damages our hobby
EdibleKnife
Member
This. He apologized and that's good. It means he's not a loss. That doesn't suddenly spare him from the fallout though.
I wouldn't say that the usage of the term rape as something that is not literal is exclusive to gaming but it is becoming less frequent in all areas.
EDIT: Found an example
The first long-term study has been completed on the link between the consumption of violent media and real-life violent acts, and has found... there is none. In fact, the only possible trend that cropped up over the last century was that an increased consumption of violent video games correlated to a decrease in youth violence.
To be fair the vast majority of studies have concluded that there is no link between violent video games and violent behavior.
Also social sciences kind of sucks at the moment, with huge publication bias and suppression of null data.
http://www.nature.com/news/social-sciences-suffer-from-severe-publication-bias-1.15787
The language used to define the act was perpetrated by individuals prior to the advent of gaming, not the other way around. Gaming created none of these things, even though it will reflect back those things that exist elsewhere at times.
"Rape" as shorthand for "dominate against their will" is picked up by young guys pretty universally because we use rob/steal/kill/murder in the same context as substitutes when referring to other things. (We also do lack a good substitute word that rolls off the tongue- "imposing his will" gets used in MMA.) But, being teenage guys, they've been hidden away from the prevalence of sexual assault in the world (like most kids) and it's disproportionate impact on the other gender, leading to them using it and not realizing the issue with the word. This isn't a "gamer" thing- this is a "kids don't understand why there's an issue with the word making people uncomfortable until later in life" issue.
IronicSonic
Member
I'm not saying that videogames are (one of) the cause of sexism o violence.
The point is that videogames as any other medium, reproduce sexism and violence but, for some people, the sexist lenguage or violent lenguage it's so naturalized ("rape" as a everyday form to referring to someone) that they cant' see (and defend!) what is violent o sexist or whatever
Anton Sugar
Member
Quite honestly, I'm not a part of any gaming circles anymore where "rape" is used casually. I get tired of it, and then of being demonized for explaining why it shouldn't be used.
There was even a GAF thread on it a couple of years ago.
I can somewhat see the double-standard you're implying, but that just speaks to the unfortunate normalization of the word.
Regardless, I think there is little point in pointing out how we react to this threat towards men vs women. It shouldn't be used, period. Bringing up that difference in reaction makes it sound like you're trivializing the whole matter.
Actually that study concluded there was (although having read it I take issues with its methodology and assumptions), I seemingly lost the one I was talking about, so I edited the post (since studies showing no link between violence are much much easier to reference).
Funny side note from that study though, while they concluded that long term exposure to sexism in games led to reinforcing sexist attitudes, men who believed that video games were sexist/caused sexism displayed the highest amount of 'benevolent sexism'.
http://psychology.okstate.edu/facul...ial_Cognition_Lab/Publications_files/PPMC.pdf
As to your post, absolutely.
IronicSonic
Member
Good finding. I'll give it a read. Thanks!
Good. Dude deserved it, and I'm glad more people are taking action about this.
Like others have said, a lifetime ban isn't really conducive to helping anything, but I don't think anyone's seriously going to lifetime ban this guy anyways. What's important is that he said this, it's awful and evidence of huge society-wide problems, and people took action, which is good.
Like others have said, a lifetime ban isn't really conducive to helping anything, but I don't think anyone's seriously going to lifetime ban this guy anyways. What's important is that he said this, it's awful and evidence of huge society-wide problems, and people took action, which is good.
Crossing Eden
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Very deserved, hopefully this is a wake up call to try acting like an adult.
Projectjustice
Banned
He should of said. About to pwn some girl and none of this would of happened. He deserved what happened to him and I hope others take this as a warning for future events.
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