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[bidguy]

60$?

hope its 30

 

[Windom Earle]

Despite all the hate DS2 got, it's still one of the best games of the year and worth it just for the PvP and working online in general. Had tons of fun with it.

 

[kpaadet]

Another remaster.....great.......and its the worst soul game as well.

 

[Laconic]

DS2 would basically have to be rebuilt from the ground up to address all of the issues I have with it. A fancier coat of paint isn't going to hide its glaring problems. That said, I'll try to reserve judgment until I hear how these gameplay tweaks manifest themselves, but I'm not terribly hopeful.

The timing of its release is also really strange; who's going to go from Bloodborne back to something as recent as DS2? I honestly think a port of DS1 would fare better.

It almost makes you consider the possibility that Bloodborne is going to wind up being another DS2: PS3 Edition.

 

[L.O.R.D]

i should wait for the new enhanced edition that will support Direct X 12
i am sure it will be separated edition too

 

[aeolist]

I think that's a mistake. There's a lot of drummed up negativity, with people being far more critical of it than they allow themselves to be with Demon's and Dark Souls 1.

Its still a good game.

it's a good game but calling the fan response "drummed up negativity" and trying to make it sound disingenuous isn't right

yeah there's tons of stuff wrong with DS1 and tons of stuff they improved in DS2 but in my opinion they nailed the really important stuff in the first game and totally whiffed with the sequel. it's an OK game but not great, and i'm glad i got it at a discount or i would have been pretty upset.

also the way they marketed the game was super shitty

 

[Begaria]

I had a feeling this was going to happen. Glad I waited to get DS2.

 

[ArynCrinn]

Season pass was more a "save five dollars for this three pack" than anything. It was 25 individually it was 30. Same thing borderlands 2 did. They aren't going to make more dlc without charging for it.

That seems more of a excuse than a actual argument... What "new content/gameplay" are you referring to to make the leap of logic that it would be in essence a 4th DLC, even if we did agree that the Season Pass only accounted for 3 things, we don't. It never stated that, nor did anybody ever even imply it on any level, Bio Inf included all kinds of new DLC in the Season Pass, more than three.

And don't get me started on Borderlands/Payday 2/Capcom/etc DLC nonsense.

 

[The Lamp]

I need this to have the graphics we were supposed to have in 2014. Like the improved lighting and that is room with the staircase and dragon. Pretty please, From?

 

[LordBaztion]

I'm double dipping this.
60fps please. Thanks.

 

[afternoon delight]

I beat Dark Souls this year for the first time so I'm super excited to start and play this the first time through. I'll even buy it on it release day!

 

[ElFly]

There's so many of these generic posts that say "Sure, it was flawed, but it was still great" without addressing any of the criticisms.

- Abysmal hitboxes
- Ridiculous enemy rotation/tracking
- Enemies have unlimited stamina
- Encounter design boils down to being spammed with 10 enemies simultaneously
- Absurd geography - somehow, the top of a windmill has an upwards elevator into an underground lava pit.
- Huge visual and mechanical downgrade at the very last stretch before release.
- Soul memory

None of the above was "actively" searched for and it's disingenuous to imply that it was.

Souls is about combat, exploration, atmosphere, all of which are bungled in Dark Souls 2. I mean, with all of these factors being so deeply flawed, what's left?

We say actively looking for things because all those points are insignificant. Never noticed the weird hitboxes -hell, I had more trouble with hitboxes in the original, always hated how the three sage demon bosses still would hit you if you ran to them too soon after their butt attack-, enemies that track you as you go around them are ok, being swamped with enemies is ok -I played DS1 with the aggression mod just so enemies would attack me all at once, so ds2 is a welcome change. Fuck kiting enemy by enemy- , etc etc.

 

[LaunchpadMcQ]

I'll rebuy on PC. I really wanted to get back into this game after giving up towards the end

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I can't take this...

on PS3. DLC and DX11 are good incentives.

 

[banjoted]

Good thing I waited.

I'm desperate to play Super Mario World but when Nintendo announces that 4DS VR HD remake I'm gonna be SO GLAD I WAITED.

 

[Ratrat]

It almost makes you consider the possibility that Bloodborne is going to wind up being another DS2: PS3 Edition.

What does this even mean?

 

[Amentallica]

What does this even mean?

Lmao I don't even know, either.

 

[Marvel]

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Interesting, thank you for the info. I'm still excited to try it out and give it a chance.

 

[BigDug13]

Never mind. Old page reply.

 

[TonberrysKnife]

Time to triple dip.

 

[Ramza]

I'd much rather have a Demon's Souls remaster.

 

[lordxar]

Sweet! Double dip dip. Only put a few hours into this before trading it because it wasnt current gen so will be awesome to actually play it. Worst or not its a Souls game.

 

[Laconic]

What does this even mean?

It means that the mad suspect timing of the release might be meant to coincide with the disappointed reception that they already anticipate from Bloodborne.

Sales Tactics Ogre.

Conjecture? Yes.

Possible? Given DS2... highly.

 

[Juke Joint Jezebel]

I'd much rather have a Demon's Souls remaster.

Problem is they'd have a much more limited userbase to resell the game to due to Sony owning the rights to Demon Souls compared to a game that's available on every major platform under the sun. I can kind of understand why they did this.

 

[ANDS]

We say actively looking for things because all those points are insignificant. Never noticed the weird hitboxes -hell, I had more trouble with hitboxes in the original, always hated how the three demons still would hit you if you ran to them too soon after their butt attack-, enemies that track you as you go around them are ok, being swamped with enemies is ok -I played DS1 with the aggression mod just so enemies would attack me all at once- , etc etc.

Hooboy. Seriously? They are complaints that a majority of the community has outside of GAF (which forever is taken to be the gaming community at large for some reason).

I grabbed DS2 on PS3 and PC. No interest in this updated version, especially not at full price. The PC version works just fine and (because it didn't seem all too clear) hopefully will get these "adjustments".

 

[Cruxist]

Can't wait to buy this again. Spent a ton of hours in the base game, got my one and only platinum trophy, and played each of the DLC missions.

I just hope the crowns are integrated better into the main game. That and just technical improvements are really all I can ask for.

 

[Ramza]

Problem is they'd have a much more limited userbase to resell the game to due to Sony owning the rights to Demon Souls compared to a game that's available on every major platform under the sun. I can kind of understand why they did this.

Well then why not Dark Souls 1? I'd buy an HD remaster of that hands down. Blighttown in 60fps? gimme gimme gimme.

 

[Misterinenja]

Played DkS2 to death after release and couldn't even bother to try out the DLC.

I might pick this up after I'm done with the real Miyazaki game next spring. Additions sound good enough.

Now only if they could create new content for the original Dark Souls...

 

[E92 M3]

Got all of the achievements in the last one and looking forward to getting this on sale. Didn't play the DLC either.

 

[chicagocubsfan]

It means that the mad suspect timing of the release might be meant to coincide with the disappointed reception that they already anticipate from Bloodborne.

Sales Tactics Ogre.

Conjecture? Yes.

Possible? Given DS2... highly.

But Sony is the publisher of Bloodbourne. That really wouldn't make much sense.

 

[ElFly]

Hooboy. Seriously? They are complaints that a majority of the community has outside of GAF (which forever is taken to be the gaming community at large for some reason).

I grabbed DS2 on PS3 and PC. No interest in this updated version, especially not at full price. The PC version works just fine and (because it didn't seem all too clear) hopefully will get these "adjustments".

Vocal minority unless proven otherwise.

Don't doubt the complaints don't touch some valid points, but in the grand scheme, they are tiny details.

 

[Ratrat]

It means that the mad suspect timing of the release might be meant to coincide with the disappointed reception that they already anticipate from Bloodborne.

Sales Tactics Ogre.

Conjecture? Yes.

Possible? Given DS2... highly.

Its not suspect when Dark Souls 1 and Dragons Dogma also had enhanced releases about a 1 later. Weren't fans going gaga over the idea that they are not even the same teams making the games? What a stupid thing to assume.
If anything they are calling back to Demons Souls with the Scej x From ads, and the impressions so far support this.

 

[KarmaCow]

Having a whole new SKU with different saves for the PC is terrible. There should at least be some significant discount for current owners.

 

[ArynCrinn]

They addressed MY issues with the base game.
the DLC were pretty great (minus a couple of the bosses being shit reskins).

Also, lol.. Artorias was not "free" on PC, it was included in the GOTY edition of sort which was the only one available because it came out later.
By your logic, these DLC are also free on PC, PS4 and XBone, to anyone buying the GOTY edition of sort, coming out later (i.e.: this one).

Artorias of the Abyss on PC then = FREE. If it wasn't please point me in the direction of a PC version which you had to pay for it. Argue that however you want, but it was. It cost money on consoles sure, but I never implied differently.

 

[gai_shain]

That seems more of a excuse than a actual argument... What "new content/gameplay" are you referring to to make the leap of logic that it would be in essence a 4th DLC, even if we did agree that the Season Pass only accounted for 3 things, we don't. It never stated that, nor did anybody ever even imply it on any level, Bio Inf included all kinds of new DLC in the Season Pass, more than three.

And don't get me started on Borderlands/Payday 2/Capcom/etc DLC nonsense.

From the season pass steampage

Spoiler

Delve into the Lost Crowns Trilogy with the DARK SOULS™ II Season Pass.

By purchasing this Season Pass, you will get at discounted price the three additional chapters from the Lost Crowns Trilogy and start a journey through underground caverns spanned with stepped pyramids, a massive tower engulfed by black mist or an ancient temple wrung with freezing storms, towering walls and a hollow emptiness.

This quest will lead you through:
-Crown of the Sunken King
-Crown of the Old Iron King
-Crown of the Ivory King

Those 3 chapters will lead you to confront new fearsome bosses and hosts of new enemies through entirely original areas and will respectively be released on July 22nd, August 26th, and September 30th.

Each DLC will be added to your Steam account as they become available.
The season pass requires "DARK SOULS™ II" to function.

So in your opinion every game with a season pass that has been remade should have been free for season pass owners?

 

[Mengy]

I've been holding off buying Dark Souls II waiting for the inevitable Prepare to Die II Edition, so this is great news to me! I loved the hell out of Dark Souls I: P2D, bought it cheap for $5 at a Steam sale and it was BY FAR the best $5 I'd ever spent. DS1 is now one of my favorite games of all time, I put it right up there with Minecraft, Civ series, and PSO1 for the DC.

April can't come soon enough! I don't even care if it's not as good as DS1, if it is anywhere even close to the level of excellence that DS1 was then I'll be as happy as a pig in mud during a rainy day.

 

[Laconic]

Its not suspect when Dark Souls 1 and Dragons Dogma also had enhanced releases about a 1 later. Weren't fans going gags over the idea that they are not even the same teams making the games? What as stupid thing to assume.
If anything they are calling back to Demons Souls with the Scej x From ads and the impressions so far support this.

The stupid thing to assume is anything, actually.

But do keep on assuming.

 

[Alo81]

Damn, this ended up being a real kick in the teeth to PC players

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Huh, I think I ended up predicting this exact thing would happen.

Like, down to the release month.

 

[Ratrat]

The stupid thing to assume is anything, actually.

But do keep on assuming.

My assumption is supported unlike yours. But whatever, enjoy being a downer.

 

[Ferr986]

There's so many of these generic posts that say "Sure, it was flawed, but it was still great" without addressing any of the criticisms.

- Abysmal hitboxes
- Ridiculous enemy rotation/tracking
- Enemies have unlimited stamina
- Encounter design boils down to being spammed with 10 enemies simultaneously
- Absurd geography - somehow, the top of a windmill has an upwards elevator into an underground lava pit.
- Huge visual and mechanical downgrade at the very last stretch before release.
- Soul memory

Some of the issues exists but are really blown out of proportion.
People talk like this game has a standard hitboxes problems but only happens in strict situations like grab attacks, generally hitboxes are fine.
Same as tracking and unlimited stamina. The only enemy with infinite stamina was that giant bastard in the Dragon temple. Again, the rest of enemies are fine. Same as the enemies spam.


DS2 also had good things like functional online, better evasion thanks to 8 way rolling, more weapon variety...

Soul memory sucks though, same as ADP stats. Thats the worst part of DS2 IMO.

 

[Skii]

what section is this?
is it

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dragon shrine

? 'cuz man... yeah. it's not all of the enemies there, but that one enemy type is really the standout for annoying and boring enemies to fight. everything else i feel is fair and manageable but those dudes...

Yup. It was so painful trying to fight it in heavy armour as you needed a quicker roll to get out of the way to get hits in. If you are fat-rolling (which I always do with my first character in any Souls game), you were struggling and hoping the RNG was kind to you.

And then obviously the boss of the area forced me to entirely change ny equipment and weapon to have a semi-reasonable chance at beating it. That's never happened to me in a Souls game before.

I agree.
There is a reason why Miyazaki' Souls are memorable and DS2 is not.
And that reason is Miyazaki.
Dark Souls 2 is a good game, one of my favourites, but lacks Miyazaki's imagination.
It is so obvious to me. I can feel (or cannot feel, in this case) it.
The "soul" is not there.

I don't know if it is entirely down to Miyazaki. I feel his whole team probably deserves a lot of credit as well. That's why I'm very excited about Bloodborne as him and his team are the ones making it.

But it is as clear as day that Dark Souls 2 is massively lacking any sort of real creativity in its approach as a game and suffers hugely when compared to the previous two games.

Interesting, thank you for the info. I'm still excited to try it out and give it a chance.

Yeah, definitely give it a chance. As you can tell by this thread, a lot of people have enjoyed it and most importantly, it is still a lot better than most games. Just don't expect it to have the same feel as Demon's or Dark Souls.

 

[lucablight]

Wooo. I held off on buyin my the PS3 version because I was convinced this was coming with the whole lighting fiasco. Didn't think they'd release it so close to bloodborne though.

 

[StuBurns]

Timing is probably much more about XBO owners being on heat for a Souls game given the impending Bloodborne circle-jerk.

 

[ArynCrinn]

Kinda funny Bloodborne will make this seem totally irrelevant AND the timing of this announcement...hmmmm....how about dat Dark Souls 1 Steam transfer that was supposed to happen in Nov??? Coincidence, or intentionally shifting attention away from that?

I am real confused on the hard split between DX9 and DX11, though. What's preventing those from being compatible?

Pretty much, absolutely 100% nothing.

From the season pass steampage

Spoiler

Delve into the Lost Crowns Trilogy with the DARK SOULS™ II Season Pass.

By purchasing this Season Pass, you will get at discounted price the three additional chapters from the Lost Crowns Trilogy and start a journey through underground caverns spanned with stepped pyramids, a massive tower engulfed by black mist or an ancient temple wrung with freezing storms, towering walls and a hollow emptiness.

This quest will lead you through:
-Crown of the Sunken King
-Crown of the Old Iron King
-Crown of the Ivory King

Those 3 chapters will lead you to confront new fearsome bosses and hosts of new enemies through entirely original areas and will respectively be released on July 22nd, August 26th, and September 30th.

Each DLC will be added to your Steam account as they become available.
The season pass requires "DARK SOULS™ II" to function.

So in your opinion every game with a season pass that has been remade should have been free for season pass owners?

Yes?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I am real confused on the hard split between DX9 and DX11, though. What's preventing those from being compatible?

 

[banjoted]

Yep. I've been critical of DS2 in the past, but a lot of the criticism in this thread reads like some are looking at past Souls games through rose-colored glasses, and then choosing to look at DS2 through the lens of GIFs showing messed up hitboxes and screenshots showing flat trees. Just incredibly hyperbolic stuff, considering the gameplay and aesthetics generally hold up just fine a great majority of the time (on PC, at least).

Anyway, unfortunate that this will split the PC userbase, but hopefully there's a strong discount option that mitigates this. With a small enough barrier to making the upgrade, I would expect this new version to revitalize the community, not make it feel smaller. It's interesting, though, that they'll be using new servers for the PC version, as well. Pretty curious how different the remaster will be from the original, especially in terms of matchmaking.

Also, I feel the people connecting this remaster to the downgrade are completely off-base. I don't really see this as an opportunity to reintroduce the original lighting, because that was connected to a gameplay system that doesn't seem to exist anymore. I wouldn't expect it, and based on the screenshots, it doesn't seem to be there.

All kinds of truth in this post.

 

[Marvel]

Yeah, definitely give it a chance. As you can tell by this thread, a lot of people have enjoyed it and most importantly, it is still a lot better than most games. Just don't expect it to have the same feel as Demon's or Dark Souls.

Alrighty then

 

[FalsettoVibe]

These remakes/remasters are getting ridiculous. Doesn't help that gamers are buying them up like they are brand new. Seems like a waste of time. Companies need to put their resources into new games.

 

[Durante]

Vocal minority unless proven otherwise.

Don't doubt the complaints don't touch some valid points, but in the grand scheme, they are tiny details.

I wouldn't just call it "vocal", I'd call it "screaming".

Yeah, definitely give it a chance. As you can tell by this thread, a lot of people have enjoyed it and most importantly, it is still a lot better than most games. Just don't expect it to have the same feel as Demon's or Dark Souls.

Thank good it doesn't have the same feel as Demon's Souls. That

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beta

feel.

 

[Laconic]

My assumption is supported unlike yours. But whatever, enjoy being a downer.

Lol. Wherein is your assumption supported by anything other than belief?