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I’m totally not surprised that the initial watch kit stuff is so limited.

It was silly hypothesizing that the watch OS would somehow be way more robust than the other smart watch OSes out there. especially for a launch OS.

By the time watch kit expands to allow devs to do more, the other OSes will also be keeping pace. there won’t be some leapfrogging in ability, suggested by some online pundits.

As for the Rolex inspiration, did Ive or anyone else at Apple say that explicitly or is that assumed? I had thought they decided that a square face was best for the information they wished to show and then built a body around that.
 
http://david-smith.org/blog/2014/11/18/initial-impressions-for-watchkit/
So, while the watch itself won't be doing much in the way of actual computation developers can still produce rich experiences. I'm actually fine with offloading most everything to my phone. As long as its seamless I don't see any reason to be disappointed by this.

If we can at least use basic health/ fitness functions when it's not connected to a phone I'd be perfectly fine with this. This of course assumes that offloading everything to the phone means that the Apple Watch will have great battery life.
 
If we can at least use basic health/ fitness functions when it's not connected to a phone I'd be perfectly fine with this. This of course assumes that offloading everything to the phone means that the Apple Watch will have great battery life.
I don't think theres much reason to worry about first party app restrictions.. they should be full featured.
 
http://david-smith.org/blog/2014/11/18/initial-impressions-for-watchkit/
So, while the watch itself won't be doing much in the way of actual computation developers can still produce rich experiences. I'm actually fine with offloading most everything to my phone. As long as its seamless I don't see any reason to be disappointed by this.
Well here's somebody who should be disappointed:
Last week, in my prelude to the event, I wrote:

I’ll be very disappointed if this is just a device that shows a fake analog watch face, displays notifications from a tethered iPhone, and tracks your footsteps and heart rate.​

After the event, a lot of people pointed to that line and asked how I could not be disappointed. But I don’t think that description aptly describes Apple Watch. For one thing, it definitely does a bit more than that. It has internal storage and Bluetooth, so you’ll be able to use it for music playback without taking your iPhone with you. With just your Apple Watch and Bluetooth earbuds you’ll be able to listen to music (and make Apple Pay purchases). I’d probably pay $349 just for that, using the Sport edition as a modern day iPod. Even better, though, I strongly suspect that WatchKit will allow for something like a native version of Overcast — syncing while within Bluetooth range of your iPhone, but working entirely independently as a podcast player, using the watch’s internal storage, when you’re out of range. A version of Vesper where you can dictate new notes on the fly? Now you’ve got something I’d pay at least $349 for in a heartbeat.

Do I know that those things will be possible? No. But Apple Watch’s third-party integration is clearly deeper than just showing notifications from apps on your iPhone. And though it depends upon a tethered connection with your phone for Internet access, it’s far more functional while out of range of your phone than any smartwatch I’ve seen to date. It’s a full iOS computer. If it actually doesn’t do much more, or allow much more, than what they demonstrated on stage last week, I am indeed going to be deeply disappointed, and I’ll be concerned about the entire direction of the company as a whole...

but he's probably dialed down his expectations again.

If we can at least use basic health/ fitness functions when it's not connected to a phone I'd be perfectly fine with this. This of course assumes that offloading everything to the phone means that the Apple Watch will have great battery life.

Define 'great battery life'
 
So the real question is, assuming the os and sdk are limited at launch, are the original watches going to remain compatible as the os and sdk mature? A watch is something people are going to keep for many years, not something they'll replace every 2-3 years.

I definitely have a wait-and-see attitude about this.
 
If we can at least use basic health/ fitness functions when it's not connected to a phone I'd be perfectly fine with this. This of course assumes that offloading everything to the phone means that the Apple Watch will have great battery life.

They've already implied that the battery life was going to be about a day. I wouldn't expect more than 2 at best.
 
I'm not sure I see what you're referring to greyface. Some of the functionality he outlines in that post won't be there day one.. but common sense dictates it will happen soon enough. Like later next year.

I guess I understand people being pissed we have to wait for native apps.. but the thing isn't even out yet. It really just doesnt matter. It's not like they're telling us webapps will suffice.. the plans for natively running apps is already in place.
 
They've already implied that the battery life was going to be about a day. I wouldn't expect more than 2 at best.
That would be a megaton though if they can get 3 day+ battery life.

http://david-smith.org/blog/2014/11/18/initial-impressions-for-watchkit/
So, while the watch itself won't be doing much in the way of actual computation developers can still produce rich experiences. I'm actually fine with offloading most everything to my phone. As long as its seamless I don't see any reason to be disappointed by this.

I'm not sure I see what you're referring to greyface. Some of the functionality he outlines in that post won't be there day one.. but common sense dictates it will happen soon enough. Like later next year.

I guess I understand people being pissed disappointed we have to wait for native apps.. but the thing isn't even out yet. It really just doesnt matter. It's not like they're telling us webapps will suffice.. the plans for natively running apps is already in place.

ftfy
 
I'm surprised how little blowback there has been to the WatchKit SDK. It's *ridiculously* gimped. You can do a list, a card or a notification. That's it. And even then your apps run on your iPhone, so when it's in a gym locker or when you are out for a run Apple Watch does fuck all app wise. All these compromises for a day or two of battery does not really compute.

But this explains one thing. As a venture capitalist, I see some 500 new tech startups each year. I have not seen a single one focused on Apple Watch. Now I understand why - it's not yet possible to do anything really cool with Apple Watch.

I just need to remind myself that this is how iPhone started.
 
Its pretty much what an average smart watch should do

Exactly. I already have device that can do everything plus the kitchen sink in my pocket. I don't need that functionality duplicated on my wrist.

At least, not until it can replace the device in my pocket in a meaningful way.
 
As a venture capitalist, I see some 500 new tech startups each year. I have not seen a single one focused on Apple Watch. Now I understand why - it's not yet possible to do anything really cool with Apple Watch.

I just need to remind myself that this is how iPhone started.

Exactly - how many iPhone-centric startups did you see 2007-8? This thing will mirror the iPhone in every conceivable way, which is why I'm staying out for a couple iterations.
 
Exactly. I already have device that can do everything plus the kitchen sink in my pocket. I don't need that functionality duplicated on my wrist.

At least, not until it can replace the device in my pocket in a meaningful way.

It doesn't need to do everything, but it should be able to operate without a phone nearby for a while, gathering data or doing basic processing, and the checking in with the main phone later in the day. Eg

I don't expect it to sync new appointments, but it should be able to store my calendar and pop up reminders even if my phone isn't with me

I don't expect to be able to plan a route to run, but I should be able to download a route to it and track my progress without a phone.
 
Exactly - how many iPhone-centric startups did you see 2007-8? This thing will mirror the iPhone in every conceivable way, which is why I'm staying out for a couple iterations.

No way. One doesn't need a watch but one needed a mobile phone. There's simply not enough ways that this device can revolutionize our day as the iPhone and even the iPad has tons degree. This may enjoy success but in terms of usability, demand, and impact there's no way it will have the reach as its iPhone and iPad brethren.
 
Unless Apple has a secret vendor for batteries I doubt it.

The Sony Smartwatch3 gets 3+ (2-5 days) but it has a 420mAh battery and that Transflective display. It's very unusual for Apple to not officially state battery life so either it's very good or very bad... or perhaps there's a wide divergence for battery life between the two iwatch sizes?

That said, the suggestions that the developer app restrictions are to help battery life (along with the comparisons to iPhone history) are pretty silly. The app restrictions on iPhone/iOS were slowly removed over many years and mainly for new models. In contrast, Apple has already pre-announced that native thirdparty apps are coming next year for this iwatch model. Unless Apple intends to offer a iWatch version 2 about six months after the 1st version (like the iPad 3 & the iPad 4), it's more likely that thirdparty native apps were always intended for this iWatch but the development/design team is running behind schedule.
 
While being totally an useless information given the type of product it is and what it does i would really like to know how powerful is the Apple Watch, i really like comparing modern devices to old ones for example the new iPhones being more powerful than the first MacBook Air, it intrigues me to know that the watch on my wrist is as powerful as the iPhone 3gs or stuff like that.
 
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“Apple Watch is amazingly capable. In fact, It’s 4X more powerful than the original iPhone. But more than that, Apple Watch taps into the most powerful element of all - the human heart”
 
it's more likely that thirdparty native apps were always intended for this iWatch but the development/design team is running behind schedule.

The press release for the Apple Watch from announcement day mentioned that devs would be able to do notifications and glances at first with full native apps coming later. So at least it wasn't intended from the unveiling day.
 

Those fashion-forward shoppers are the types who only know style and how to be fashion-forward when someone tells them. If Apple got Lagerfeld to even DEIGN to wear an Apple Watch, I think they're not going to sing that tune of theirs for long.

No way. One doesn't need a watch but one needed a mobile phone. There's simply not enough ways that this device can revolutionize our day as the iPhone and even the iPad has tons degree. This may enjoy success but in terms of usability, demand, and impact there's no way it will have the reach as its iPhone and iPad brethren.

And now we're seeing a replay of a different kind.

You can say people needed a mobile phone, and you're right. But they didn't need an iPhone.

Much has been said of the people who outright wrote off the iPhone and iPad and the repeats of that, but you're repeating the often forgotten "moderate" stance that was common of the time of these product launches: that iPhone/iPad would be incredibly successful as a niche/limited scope product but not completely change or influence the market that was current at the time; the "feature phone" was not going anywhere, especially in regions like Asia.
In the case of the iPhone, there were those who knew people saw value to it, but not to the point where smartphones became more common than the standard cell phone with added features. Same was said about netbooks in comparison to iPad (remember those quaint little things?)

And yet here we are, where 75% of all mobile subscribers are using smartphones in Canada and 63% in the US (with Apple alone taking a huge piece of that pie for itself), and the keitai market in Japan (seen as an "impenetrable" market up until as recently as 2010) is suffering some significant hits now that iPhones are the must-own device. That doesn't even factor into what happened when Apple essentially created a tablet market.

I'm certain there are challenges, one being that the market is limited to owners of compatible iPhones (but that's something even Apple themselves are assuredly aware of). But the iPhone user base is no niche, so there's lots of room there.

And yes, no one needs a watch, just like no one needed a tablet. You see a lack of demand.
Meanwhile, Apple sees a lot of bare wrists and sees a barely-tapped marketshare for people.

Whether they're people who want their phone out of their hands more often (people in office environments with "no cellphone" policies, people who work in conditions they don't want to take their phone out of their pocket in, the "phone-zombie" conscious who are worried about looking at their phones compulsively, etc.), people who don't own a watch merely because it doesn't integrate with their digital lifestyle (which is evidenced by consumers' push to integrate CarPlay and Android Auto into cars and how hastily the top 10 auto makers did so, among other examples), or simply the people would see it as a fashion accessory first and enjoy the features after.

There is a significant market within the iPhone user base that would buy it, the only discussion left to have is how well Apple can capitalize on it. Given their history, however, I think it's better to air on the side of optimism in that regard. Apple does its homework on these things. And as history shows (even recently with Apple Pay), when Apple enters a market and scores big, the stakes are raised and so is user interest, which will impact smartwatches in general.
 
One thing to keep in mind about iphone popularity vs potential watch popularity is pricing. the original iPhone sold well for a smartphone in 2007 but sales jumped a lot when the pricing model changes from an upfront cost of $600 to typical subsidized pricing. (and let’s not forget apple cut the original iphone cost by $200 to help move units before the 3G was announced)

people generally pay 200 bucks for a new phone in the states. For the watch, it’s $350 upfront for the cheap aluminum model and will probably be $500 and up (educated guess, I admit) for the nicer stainless steel/sapphire model.

So the potential apple watch market is not just people who have an iphone but people who have an iphone and would be willing to spend double - or more - on a watch (with questionable looks and which requires the phone to be useful) than they did on their phone. The convenience accessory costs significantly more than the main attraction.

I’m sure there are a decent number of people who would do so but I have very strong doubts that it’s a truly large number of iphone users. The watch is an added convenience for those who own the phone. Is it really going to be worth around double the subsidized phone cost to the majority of iphone users? eeeehhhhhhh.

Not saying it’ll flop but I do think sales will take some serious time to ramp up. I think it will take longer for the watch to make a case for itself as something people really need to get compared to a smartphone back in 2007
 
You are right, LCfiner, but only to an extent. The other factor regarding iPhone wasn't just the upfront pricing, but limited regional availability. So saying its popularity explosion was JUST due to subsidy is a bit untrue. It certainly helped, but even at full price, it outsold expectations in its first year by a good country mile in the 2 or 3 regions it was sold in.

The fairer comparison is iPad, which can't fall back on the subsidy argument.

It will be a slower burn compared to both, but not by as much as people expect, I think.
 
So the potential apple watch market is not just people who have an iphone but people who have an iphone and would be willing to spend double - or more - on a watch (with questionable looks and which requires the phone to be useful) than they did on their phone. The convenience accessory costs significantly more than the main attraction.

I’m sure there are a decent number of people who would do so but I have very strong doubts that it’s a truly large number of iphone users. The watch is an added convenience for those who own the phone. Is it really going to be worth around double the subsidized phone cost to the majority of iphone users? eeeehhhhhhh.

Not saying it’ll flop but I do think sales will take some serious time to ramp up. I think it will take longer for the watch to make a case for itself as something people really need to get compared to a smartphone back in 2007

The difference now, I think, is that the iPhone is less a "phone" in 2014 as it is a mobile computer. Yes it makes phone calls but the % I use it as a phone versus anything else is very small. This is probably true for others too. And as that's grown my iPhone is out of my pocket more and more and sitting on a desk or on the couch or a table which wasn't the case with my old flip phone.

The attraction of having a watch that acts as a second-screen to the phone is appealing because it may cut down on having to pull out your phone for tasks that could be dealt with more simply. A text, a transit alert, walking directions, flight update, package tracking, photo sharing, quick weather check, etc. - having a second screen on your wrist that vibrates to alert you and let you simply respond to things is going to be valuable for some use cases. I agree it may be a slower road, but for me just the idea I could leave my phone in my pocket most of the day is a benefit.
 
One thing to keep in mind about iphone popularity vs potential watch popularity is pricing. the original iPhone sold well for a smartphone in 2007 but sales jumped a lot when the pricing model changes from an upfront cost of $600 to typical subsidized pricing. (and let’s not forget apple cut the original iphone cost by $200 to help move units before the 3G was announced)

people generally pay 200 bucks for a new phone in the states. For the watch, it’s $350 upfront for the cheap aluminum model and will probably be $500 and up (educated guess, I admit) for the nicer stainless steel/sapphire model.

So the potential apple watch market is not just people who have an iphone but people who have an iphone and would be willing to spend double - or more - on a watch (with questionable looks and which requires the phone to be useful) than they did on their phone. The convenience accessory costs significantly more than the main attraction.

I’m sure there are a decent number of people who would do so but I have very strong doubts that it’s a truly large number of iphone users. The watch is an added convenience for those who own the phone. Is it really going to be worth around double the subsidized phone cost to the majority of iphone users? eeeehhhhhhh.

Not saying it’ll flop but I do think sales will take some serious time to ramp up. I think it will take longer for the watch to make a case for itself as something people really need to get compared to a smartphone back in 2007

People are going to buy it cause it's a new Apple product not because of what it does. The customer doesn't care about technology so each feature will be brand new and amazing. Boat loads of upper middle class and rich teens and college kids will be all over this to appear cool and trendy.
 
You are right, LCfiner, but only to an extent. The other factor regarding iPhone wasn't just the upfront pricing, but limited regional availability. So saying its popularity explosion was JUST due to subsidy is a bit untrue. It certainly helped, but even at full price, it outsold expectations in its first year by a good country mile in the 2 or 3 regions it was sold in.

The fairer comparison is iPad, which can't fall back on the subsidy argument.

It will be a slower burn compared to both, but not by as much as people expect, I think.

I should have clarified I meant US popularity. When you look at iPhone popularity in markets that don’t depend on subsided prices, it does not do nearly as well.

But, yes, you’re right. opening up on other carriers made a difference, too.

As for iPad comparisons, I think the iPad offers far more utility than the watch. it’s a standalone computer. it’s an easier sell, I think.

regarding the last line, i think we agree. We may just have different opinions as a matter of degrees. :)

The difference now, I think, is that the iPhone is less a "phone" in 2014 as it is a mobile computer. Yes it makes phone calls but the % I use it as a phone versus anything else is very small. This is probably true for others too. And as that's grown my iPhone is out of my pocket more and more and sitting on a desk or on the couch or a table which wasn't the case with my old flip phone.

The attraction of having a watch that acts as a second-screen to the phone is appealing because it may cut down on having to pull out your phone for tasks that could be dealt with more simply. A text, a transit alert, walking directions, flight update, package tracking, photo sharing, quick weather check, etc. - having a second screen on your wrist that vibrates to alert you and let you simply respond to things is going to be valuable for some use cases. I agree it may be a slower road, but for me just the idea I could leave my phone in my pocket most of the day is a benefit.

I understand the appeal. I’m saying the appeal is limited for the price Apple is asking. (Honestly, I think it’s limited even for 200 bucks, but that’s just me.) But for ~$500 for the “nice" watch, I think it’s gonna be a hard sell for all but those with considerable disposable income or who really, really need the wrist notifications (and have not yet jumped on Android Wear for whatever reason)

Some people will jump on board at launch, of course. I think it will take Apple time to convince people why they want this (same goes for any smart watch, I should add, really)

People are going to buy it cause it's a new Apple product not because of what it does. The customer doesn't care about technology so each feature will be brand new and amazing. Boat loads of upper middle class and rich teens and college kids will be all over this to appear cool and trendy.

There’s not enough people out there who blindly buy Apple products regardless of quality or usage to be a viable market. I know some small number of people will, but it’s a tiny percentage of total Apple product users. Apple’s huge because lots and lots of people enjoy using their products. A new, random “iThing” is not enough to get the larger market to bite. The watch needs to make the case that it’s useful /fun/ interesting to everyone - not just die hard fans.

Where I am skeptical is that I don’t know that even with a year’s time, that the watch value proposition is enough to make it a success on the level of, say, the iPad.

But we’ll see. it’ll be interesting to watch unfold. I have no problem if my gut feeling is wrong in this case.
 
People are going to buy it cause it's a new Apple product not because of what it does. The customer doesn't care about technology so each feature will be brand new and amazing. Boat loads of upper middle class and rich teens and college kids will be all over this to appear cool and trendy.
Whatever helps you prep for the launch sales reports bruh.
 
I understand the appeal. I’m saying the appeal is limited for the price Apple is asking. (Honestly, I think it’s limited even for 200 bucks, but that’s just me.) But for ~$500 for the “nice" watch, I think it’s gonna be a hard sell for all but those with considerable disposable income or who really, really need the wrist notifications (and have not yet jumped on Android Wear for whatever reason)

Some people will jump on board at launch, of course. I think it will take Apple time to convince people why they want this (same goes for any smart watch, I should add, really)

You are correct. I agree that that it's going to be a hard sell. But is that any different than most other technology products especially those that come in some kind of "new" form factor?

I have never paid over 100 bucks for a watch. I do not wear a watch currently and have little more than a passing interest in fitness trackers. Then again, before the iPhone I never paid over $50 for a new phone. Before the iPad I never would have considered spending a couple hundred dollars on a tablet. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

The thing that gives me the most hope for this type of device/form-factor is Samsung's "A Long Time Coming" Galaxy Gear commercial that showed various pop culture references of wrist-worn multifunction devices. What's up in the air is who will nail the interface and user experience of that first.
 
You are correct. I agree that of it's going to be a hard sell. But is that any different than most other technology products especially those that come in some kind of "new" form factor?

I have never paid over 100 bucks for a watch. I do not wear a watch currently and have little more than a passing interest in fitness trackers. Then again, before the iPhone I never paid over $50 for a new phone. Before the iPad I never would have considered spending a couple hundred dollars on a tablet. I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

The thing that gives me the most hope for this type of device/form-factor is Samsung's "A Long Time Coming" Galaxy Gear commercial that showed various pop culture references of wrist-worn multifunction devices. What's up in the air is who will nail the interface and function of that first.

Pretty much, Apple has already shown that they can make people fork out a lot more than they would have on similar products by providing a highly polished one, how many people would have honestly put down £500/600 for a phone before the iPhone compared to now? I've been hoping for wearable tech to go mainstream for a while now, and Apple seems like the only company capable of doing that, 2015 will be very exciting indeed.
 
For Black Friday/Christmas, I might get some watch straps. Do you think there will be an adapter for iwAtch to enable using a classic 22mm band? How long do you think Apple's watch straps will last i.e. if they make a slimmer watch in the future, do you think the snapin mechanism will still work?

You are right, LCfiner, but only to an extent. The other factor regarding iPhone wasn't just the upfront pricing, but limited regional availability. So saying its popularity explosion was JUST due to subsidy is a bit untrue. It certainly helped, but even at full price, it outsold expectations in its first year by a good country mile in the 2 or 3 regions it was sold in.

The fairer comparison is iPad, which can't fall back on the subsidy argument.

It will be a slower burn compared to both, but not by as much as people expect, I think.

Actually you mixed that up; the iPhone didn't meet expectations (10 million sold) until after its first price drop (3 months after launch) while the iPad was a blockbuster at release until it crashed in recent years.
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I'd rather compare to the AppleTV than to the iPhone or iPad.
 
As for iPad comparisons, I think the iPad offers far more utility than the watch. it’s a standalone computer. it’s an easier sell, I think.

iPad is an easier sell NOW, but when it was announced, it was "a gigantic iPhone without the phone" or "a less functional netbook".
Hindsight, and all that.

Actually you mixed that up; the iPhone didn't meet expectations (10 million sold) until after its first price drop (3 months after launch) while the iPad was a blockbuster at release until it crashed in recent years.

Whose expectations, though? Customer expectations were significantly lower than the number you quoted without citation.
 
I'm going to shake my head at all the early adopters of this thing....

People will be buying a watch usable for one year.

I imagine everything except for apps running on the watch itself will be useable for the foreseeable future so I don't see why you'd stop using it after a year.
 
Whose expectations, though? Customer expectations were significantly lower than the number you quoted without citation.
The 10 million after one year expectations were Steve Jobs'. Even then the first iPhone only sold 6.1 million units during its run and it was the iPhone 3G sales that helped Jobs reach expectations. First iPhone had price drop and the iPhone 3G had price structure changed. What consumer expectations are you talking about? Any citations for those?

Anyway, back to iWatch news:

Apple Watch Marketing Page Updated With 'Timekeeping', 'New Ways to Connect', 'Health and Fitness' Pages
Macworld said:
The marketing website for the Apple Watch has been updated (via 9to5Mac) with additional details about how it functions as a watch, new ways that wearers will communicate, as well as more about the watch's health and fitness features.

Apple's marketing team has also added new animations to the site, showing how the Apple Watch will move between screens and how some of the apps will work. Much of the basic information was already located on the Apple Watch site, but lots of it has been broken out with more information and detail...

The new Timekeeping page reveals more about some of the watch faces that are included with the Apple Watch, including details about Complications -- specialized functions on a watch face like moon phases, sunrise and sunset, or, for the Apple Watch, stock quotes and weather...

The New Ways to Connect page talks about the Friends feature that makes it easy to send messages, make a call, or reach out to other Apple Watch users...

Finally, the new Health and Fitness page talks about the different ways Apple Watch measures movement, as well as additional details on the included Workout app...

I'm a bit concerned; my most valuable usecase for a smartwatch is notification triage and Apple doesn't seem to consider that very important. I want to know how the watch handles multiple missed alerts and how it implements a notification clearing center. Instead apple keeps telling me about drawing emoji
 
Anyway, back to iWatch news:

Apple Watch Marketing Page Updated With 'Timekeeping', 'New Ways to Connect', 'Health and Fitness' Pages

I'm a bit concerned; my most valuable usecase for a smartwatch is notification triage and Apple doesn't seem to consider that very important. I want to know how the watch handles multiple missed alerts and how it implements a notification clearing center. Instead apple keeps telling me about drawing emoji

Not sure it's that they don't consider it important - probably more that it's not exactly a sexy feature that can be described in an easy way that'd apply to most users. And not really a platform differentiator. They do talk a bit about incoming notifications and dismissing them. Maybe they see the watch as less for triage and more for quick interactions. I wouldn't be too concerned about it yet either way.
 
I really dig that they're calling little addons to the watch faces "complications."

Still pretty enigmatic but there's some pretty thoughtful stuff in the updated store page. Covering the watch with your hand to mute it is ace.
 
I really dig that they're calling little addons to the watch faces "complications."

Still pretty enigmatic but there's some pretty thoughtful stuff in the updated store page. Covering the watch with your hand to mute it is ace.

Yeah I like that too - and, calling other functions outside timekeeping "complications" isn't Apple's naming convention either. Though I'd never heard of those before now. :O
 
Yeah the wording on the page makes it seem like very old terminology.

It's a little surprising how much of an actual watch the thing is. I'm getting a pretty good picture of how I'll use the device and it's not very intrusive or especially impressive. Just more convenient. The fitness stuff, timers, Siri, phonecalls light texting, and you know the watch part of it.

I'm still curious about the ways you can wear the watch. I have a little collection of bright colored swatches that I wear and would love to wear the apple watch further up my wrist and faced inwards. I usually wear long sleeved shirts so I'm thinking it'd probably be covered most of the time. And then I'd use my actual watch for timekeeping. Not sure if I'll hold to that but that's im picturing I'll start out.

Also I really want to know the price on that black steel one.. I've been thinking I'd get the cheapest model but my goodness that thing is gorgeous.
 
Yeah I like that too - and, calling other functions outside timekeeping "complications" isn't Apple's naming convention either. Though I'd never heard of those before now. :O
I don't like it. Naming it that way is pandering to the watch connoisseur crowd, but it's a fake sentiment. On an mechanical watch those extra features are called complications because they are insanely complicated to create mechanically in such a small device. On this watch, any random kid could program those 'complications'.
 
I don't like it. Naming it that way is pandering to the watch connoisseur crowd, but it's a fake sentiment. On an mechanical watch those extra features are called complications because they are insanely complicated to create mechanically in such a small device. On this watch, any random kid could program those 'complications'.

I tend to agree. complications actually involve adding more physical gears and logic to mechanical watches. It’s very complex and the term has a history with actual mechanical parts. it’s not the right term for a wrist computer, imo. It only makes any sense with physical components in watches.

Apple’s using certain language to try to evoke a history of horology that’s not relevant here. The watch will use the same type of digital clock/calendar functionality we have had in computers for years. We don’t say our laptops have a day/date complication in our menu bars...
 
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