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[Astral Dog]

This obssesion with Metacritic is disturbing, i really wish Nintendo didn't take them so seriously.

Its not like it matters much, the games are for a different demographic, the people that are interested will be happy with them, the ones that don't care, won't change their opinion of the system/games because they got good reviews.

 

[Aaron Strife]

But it's not like I expect NoA to not talk up their product.

That seems to be what separates you from half of the posters in this thread

 

[Melchiah]

Where are you getting this from?

The criteria they used is specific and tailored to show nintendo in the best light possible, but where are they disqualifying multiplatforms? Those simply don't reach the threshold given by the ad

Based on the Metacritic scores.

Wii U - 8
PS4 - 13
XB1 - 12

Without counting smaller digital releases of course. It's no wonder Nintendo left them out, I guess they also think they aren't real games. You can count remasters though, as Bayonetta is included, and the same goes for Rayman Legends. The user scores screw up the results even more.

 

[Mpl90]

Based on the Metacritic scores.

Wii U - 8
PS4 - 13
XB1 - 12

Without counting smaller digital releases of course. It's no wonder Nintendo left them out, I guess they also think they aren't real games. You can count remasters though, as Bayonetta is included, and the same goes for Rayman Legends. The user scores screw up the results even more.

Ok, considering it's basically said right in the graphic the reason digital games aren't counted, I must conclude you just ignored it.

 

[Melchiah]

Ok, considering it's basically said right in the graphic the reason digital games aren't counted, I must conclude you just ignored it.

All the PS4/XB1 games I counted have retail releases available. Where exactly in the OP's image is the reason for the exclusion of digital games mentioned? Unless you mean that they can't be gift-wrapped, which is a pretty dubious reason to claim they have more +85% games in total available.

 

[Mpl90]

All the PS4/XB1 games I counted have retail releases available. Where exactly in the OP's image is the reason for the exclusion of digital games mentioned? Unless you mean that they can't be gift-wrapped, which is a pretty dubious reason to claim they have more +85% games in total available.

It's not a dubious reason, it's the purpose of the ad: it's Holidays season, and they want to show that they have lots of games that can be great Christmas gifts. Unfortunately, digital exclusives don't respect this criteria, thus they're excluded.

 

[deltatheta]

So what are the numbers if you remove the user score stipulation, since that one is the most dodgy?

 

[victreeb3l]

Well, they arent wrong.

 

[Mussah92]

I agree. You can have the most powerful hardware (PS4) or the biggest might behind the scenes (dedicated servers on xbox)

But it's the games we want, baby!, lol

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I'm positively shocked that the console with a 1 year head start has more games than the other 2 consoles~

 

[SteveWinwood]

Of course, in previous generations those quality games have been mostly the third-party ones, not Nintendo's offerings. Hence why the Wii U failed. Not enough hardcore Nintendo fans in the world to replace the fans of third party who would buy Nintendo consoles for those games and then give the exclusive games a chance.

This ad is co-created by and preaching to the choir, which shrinks with each console generation. It's essentially whistling past the graveyard.

wait what world are you living in

all those hot third party gamecube games i loved

 

[v0yce]

So what are the numbers if you remove the user score stipulation, since that one is the most dodgy?

Posted earlier.

System: # of games with over 90% Metacritic /# of games with over 85% Metacritic

PS4: 6/23
3DS: 7/20
WiiU: 6/21
Vita: 3/21
XBO: 2/14

 

[Melchiah]

It's not a dubious reason, it's the purpose of the ad: it's Holidays season, and they want to show that they have lots of games that can be great Christmas gifts. Unfortunately, digital exclusives don't respect this criteria, thus they're excluded.

Despite of that restriction, the competitors have more retail games available, which makes the ad even more misleading.

So what are the numbers if you remove the user score stipulation, since that one is the most dodgy?

As stated in my post above;
PS4 - 13
XB1 - 12
Wii U - 8

 

[GOGOheadray]

wait what world are you living in

all those hot third party gamecube games i loved

Gamecube did have quite a few third party games; which includes all major sports games among others. In fact the gamecube imo was the last viable main user console that nintendo has made. The Wii and the Wii U was when Nintendo seemed content to go into secondary console status which is a risky thing in the first place.

 

[Astral Dog]

I'm positively shocked that the console with a 1 year head start has more games than the other 2 consoles~

Considering this is the Wii U we are talking about...

 

[v0yce]

Based on the Metacritic scores.

Wii U - 8
PS4 - 13
XB1 - 12

Without counting smaller digital releases of course. It's no wonder Nintendo left them out, I guess they also think they aren't real games. You can count remasters though, as Bayonetta is included, and the same goes for Rayman Legends. The user scores screw up the results even more.

I don't think you count very well.

 

[Melchiah]

I don't think you count very well.

Feel free to point where I was wrong.

 

[Komo]

Still can't justify 400 something dollars for a Wii U down here in Australia. I'm only interested in Mario Kart 8, so I'll wait until next year.

 

[Salih]

oh wow, ppl jumping on this train and doing their own list wars. so pathetic.

 

[v0yce]

Feel free to point where I was wrong.

Well it's right there on the links you posted.

Last of Us and Guilty Gear are the only games on the PS4 that qualify, so... that's 2 not 13.

And there are no XB1 games that qualify... so that's 0 not 12.

 

[GOGOheadray]

Something people are missing is that just because the wii U games are highly rated doesn't mean they will move systems. Nintendo franchises while recoganizable to people who don't even game don't have the same buying power that they once did. I don't really see how this ad helps Nintendo at all; people know what games nintendo are offering since for the most part they are the same franchises nintendo has been offering for quite some time now ( smash, MK8,etc.).

 

[Melchiah]

Well it's right there on the links you posted.

Last of Us and Guilty Gear are the only games on the PS4 that qualify, so... that's 2 not 13.

And there are no XB1 games that qualify... so that's 0 not 12.

If you count user scores that is correct, but that distorts the value of the games to favor only Nintendo, which is exactly why they included the criteria. They wouldn't have come on the top otherwise.

 

[Beelzebufo]

If you count user scores that is correct, but that distorts the value of the games to favor only Nintendo, which is exactly why they included the criteria. They wouldn't have come on the top otherwise.

So the advertisement is correct.

 

[v0yce]

If you count user scores that is correct, but that distorts the value of the games to favor only Nintendo, which is exactly why they included the criteria. They wouldn't have come on the top otherwise.

This is obvious to everyone. So what?

 

[Melchiah]

So the advertisement is correct.

And a lie.

 

[v0yce]

And a lie.

That's quite a claim. Please point out the lie.

 

[Beelzebufo]

And a lie.

No it's not haha, we just agreed it's correct. It's a lie if you say it's saying it's something it's not.

 

[M1ch04c4n0]

So the advertisement is correct.

And a lie.

So now the advertisement entered in the same state as Schrödinger's Cat?

I would say this may be funny, but it's just sad (that so much effort was poured into point how "wrong" is an ad, a video games ad).

 

[Azuran]

And a lie.

In marketing, we call that "bending the truth" which is still not a lie.

 

[Melchiah]

That's quite a claim. Please point out the lie.

Remember how the XB1 was the fastest selling console in US in November 2013? It was true, but also a lie.

 

[Haunted]

In any case, it seems like Nintendo has managed to - as the kids say - "rustle some jimmies" with this ad.

So kudos for that.

 

[v0yce]

Remember how the XB1 was the fastest selling console in US in November 2013? It was true, but also a lie.

No when things are true they aren't lies. Those are, you know, opposites.

This is an example of a lie.

And apparently multiplatforms, that aren't available on Nintendo's system, are disqualified as well in order to artificially diminish the number of games the competitors have.

This is a false statement. Multiplatform games not on Nintendo's system were not disqualified. The person who said this lied.

 

[ArtHands]

And apparently multiplatforms, that aren't available on Nintendo's system, are disqualified as well in order to artificially diminish the number of games the competitors have.

Its an ad for current gen console games which Nintendo is suggesting as gift for gift wrapping for this Christmas. Were you expecting Nintendo to tell its customers to buy some Nes or some SNES games from retail stores as Christmas gift this year?

 

[Beelzebufo]

You know, if you really think about it, metacritic isn't an accurate way of measuring how many physical game discs and cartridges are resting on consoles at any given moment. There's no way they can say there are more great games on Nintendo's consoles, really.

 

[Melchiah]

No when things are true they aren't lies. Those are, you know, opposites.

This is an example of a lie.



This is a false statement. Multiplatform games not on Nintendo's system were not disqualified. The person who said this lied.

Or bending the truth for their own gain. It's also interesting how they came up with 8 games for the competing platforms, as there's only 2 if you count by the user scores, but I guess that low amount would have been even more unbeliavable to put in the ad. If you add Vita into the mix, there would be 9 more games that meet the criteria, but the numbers don't still add up.

 

[-Horizon-]

What is a lie? What is truly truthful? Its like I'm in a philosophy class.

 

[Beelzebufo]

Or bending the truth for their own gain. It's also interesting how they came up with 8 games for the competing platforms, as there's only 2 if you count by the user scores, but I guess that low amount would have been even more unbeliavable to put in the ad. If you add Vita into the mix, there would be 9 more games that meet the criteria, but the numbers don't still add up.

There's more than 2 if you count by user scores. Everything is factually correct. It's only otherwise if you claim it's saying something else, which you are.

You might as well say "Hey, that's not true! There are lots of positively rated movies that I can watch on my PS4 that would count!"

 

[Artorias]

Or bending the truth for their own gain. It's also interesting how they came up with 8 games for the competing platforms, as there's only 2 if you count by the user scores, but I guess that low amount would have been even more unbeliavable to put in the ad. If you add Vita into the mix, there would be 9 more games that meet the criteria, but the numbers don't still add up.

Good lord you're thick. All the info is in the OP. Nearly a full page later people are still trying to explain the OP to you.

 

[Melchiah]

Good lord you're thick. All the info is in the OP. Nearly a full page later people are still trying to explain the OP to you.

So what the 8 games on the competing platforms are? I don't see it mentioned in the OP. There are too many pages to search for, if it has already been mentioned.

As for the tone;
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428781

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[Giever]

Lol, hold on I screwed up maybe.

 

[Kodaman]

Every man is a liar!

Spoiler

This thread is going places...

 

[Artorias]

So what the 8 games on the competing platforms are? I don't see it mentioned in the OP. There are too many pages to search for, if it has already been mentioned.

As for the tone;
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=428781

How about you spend a few minutes figuring out the OP rather than take another page and a few more hours of people trying to explain it to you. It's ridiculous.

 

[deltatheta]

Posted earlier.

Despite of that restriction, the competitors have more retail games available, which makes the ad even more misleading.




As stated in my post above;
PS4 - 13
XB1 - 12
Wii U - 8

The user score condition allows for the exclusion of 11 PS4 games and 12 XBOX One games that are retail releases with a Metascore of 85 or above.

In total only 2 PS4 games and 0 XBOX One games have a user score of 8.5 or above (including retail and digital), which shows how much the inclusion of user score in Nintendo's calculations slants in their favor.

I said just eliminating the user score criteria. You're ignoring the other criteria: comparing the number of retail games that are on next-gen Nintendo platforms vs next-gen retail games not on Nintendo platforms with a metascore of 85.

I did a check and the actual numbers are

Nintendo platforms: 32
Not on Nintendo platforms: 21

If you ignore handhelds, the numbers are

Wii U: 18
Not on Wii U: 15

Edit: updated numbers to include Vita. My data is here. Let me know if I've made any errors.

 

[Melchiah]

They included Vita games. The numbers are correct following their criteria.

Ah, so three out of those nine Vita games are digital then?

 

[Giever]

Ah, so three out of those nine Vita games are digital then?

Yeah, I think these are the only Vita games that fit the criteria, but I could be wrong:

Persona 4 Golden
Rayman Origins
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita
Rayman Legends
Tearaway
Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD Remaster

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Ah, so three out of those nine Vita games are digital then?

From the first page:

List of games meeting the criteria, I'm counting 9 right now:

PlayStation 4:
The Last of Us Remastered (95 / 8.7)
Guilty Gear Xrd -SIGN- (86 / 8.5)

Xbox One:
None

PlayStation Vita:
Persona 4 Golden (93 / 9.3)
Rayman Origins (88 / 8.5)
Machinarium (88 / 8.5)
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita (88 / 8.8)
Rayman Legends (87 / 8.7) (probably not counted)
Tearaway (87 / 9.1)
Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD Remaster (86 / 8.6)

I guess we can blame PS/Xbox fanboys trolling each other.

 

[lukeskymac]

It's not a dubious reason, it's the purpose of the ad: it's Holidays season, and they want to show that they have lots of games that can be great Christmas gifts. Unfortunately, digital exclusives don't respect this criteria, thus they're excluded.

Be careful not to get dizzy when trying to spin the numbers as hard as Nintendo is.

 

[Giever]

From the first page:

Machinarium didn't have a physical release on Vita, did it?

 

[Melchiah]

Yeah, I think these are the only Vita games that fit the criteria, but I could be wrong:

Persona 4 Golden
Rayman Origins
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita
Rayman Legends
Tearaway
Final Fantasy X / X-2 HD Remaster

Well, at least the numbers seem right to me now.

From the first page:

That's the second page for me.

 

[Javier]