LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

interesting, the attacks monitored on ip viking are showing much more stratification in the attack locations. it actually looks like the attacks are much stronger and consistent than earlier today.. a bit alarming.
 
danowat said:
Maybe because I wanted to play something online on my PS4?
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Is it worth being miserable for the entire day? I've come back to games for decades. If something doesn't work and it's something out of their control then it takes time. It's one of the more valuable things I've learned being a gamer. It can suck, but it's not something I'll base a judgement call on. I'm not going to be mad unless it's continuous.

I've had broken consoles before. I've literally sat there crying. I just got over it. If I have to wait till Monday to play then that's fine. I just want it working at some point in time. Otherwise it turns out to be fast food. You cram it in and then it's gone. It becomes something very cheap. I could play 4 to 5 games in the span of 10 minutes. Exiting and starting each game. It gets real cheap after a while, so Sony can take their time to fix it.
 
Hoodbury said:
Sorry, I'm really out of the loop with all of this and way behind on things (been a busy holiday week) but I thought another hacker group outed these Lizard guys a couple weeks ago? Did that turn out not to be true or did it not really do anything to stop them from still doing this kind of stuff?

I thought after that happened the police would have gotten involved or something.
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Yeah that was bullshit. Finestsquad = Lizardsquad.
 
Stupid question here... my Asus Router has an option for "Enable DoS protection" which goes on to say that it can protect against a DoS attack at the cost of an increased router workload. So, is this just a basic protection that cannot truly stop an attack or can it really prevent it? If so, how does PSN not have this ability?

I don't mean to imply anything with this question, just curiosity to how this works.

p.s. should I enable this option?
 
Bumhead said:
I love the non-satire "Christmas ruined" comments doing the rounds and in the media.

Please, remind me again what you THINK Christmas is about..?
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I don't know what you're on about exactly here, but I'm sure there are a lot of kids-teens out there who have had a pretty disappointing holiday because of this.
 
shpankey said:
Stupid question here... my Asus Router has an option for "Enable DoS protection" which goes on to say that it can protect against a DoS attack at the cost of an increased router workload. So, is this just a basic protection that cannot truly stop an attack or can it really prevent it? If so, how does PSN not have this ability?

I don't mean to imply anything with this question, just curiosity to how this works.

p.s. should I enable this option?
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You should look up the difference between DoS and DDoS. They're not the same.
 
MastorofPuppetz said:
I''ve seen many suggesting the x1 build quality being superior to ps4...There is no reason PSN security wise cannot be on par or further ahead then live....MS didnt invent security.
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I dont even know what to say to his comment, just that, Does it matter if they didnt?, but in perspective you are trying to compare the software technology, experience and resources of a company like MS, against one that doesnt have that. but If you believe a troll group over what you have seen so far on a service that has more than 10 years and no publicly known Hack, then go right ahead. I will drop this topic now.
 
Don't people read this thread before posting? There are a lot of explanations on how ddos works on this thread and yet people insist on talking shit about it.
 
Northeastmonk said:
Is it worth being miserable for the entire day? I've come back to games for decades. If something doesn't work and it's something out of their control then it takes time. It's one of the more valuable things I've learned being a gamer. It can suck, but it's not something I'll base a judgement call on. I'm not going to be mad unless it's continuous.

I've had broken consoles before. I've literally sat there crying. I just got over it. If I have to wait till Monday to play then that's fine. I just want it working at some point in time. Otherwise it turns out to be fast food. You cram it in and then it's gone. It becomes something very cheap. I could play 4 to 5 games in the span of 10 minutes. Exiting and starting each game. It gets real cheap after a while, so Sony can take their time to fix it.
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I'm not bothered to that extent, just genuinely interested in the differences in infrastructure of two similarly priced products is all
 
shpankey said:
Stupid question here... my Asus Router has an option for "Enable DoS protection" which goes on to say that it can protect against a DoS attack at the cost of an increased router workload. So, is this just a basic protection that cannot truly stop an attack or can it really prevent it? If so, how does PSN not have this ability?

I don't mean to imply anything with this question, just curiosity to how this works.

p.s. should I enable this option?
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Most routers have basic DoS protection, in that they can be told to not allow more than a certain amount of specific TCP requests, or take longer to check each one to make sure they're not "fake" requests meant to crash your router. You should only need to turn it on, if you're experiencing a lot of strange outages. It can mitigate it somewhat, but not outright prevent a massive DDoS (nobody can withstand a DDoS beyond a certain scale).

If you want to see how corporate-level DDoS protection works, this video explains it best: www.dailymotion.com/video/x14r6yg_prolexic-in-action-mitigating-a-160-gbps-ddos-attack_news

PSN does have DDoS mitigation, but only up to a certain point. This explains it best:

HaRyu said:
Imagine you live in a house and you only let in people whom you designate as friends. Unfortunately, the only way to tell if someone is your friend is they have to ring a doorbell, and you have to go up to the door, open it and physically check if they are your friend or not before you let them in.

Now, if it was normal internet traffic, you can handle this simple task fairly well.

Now if a DDOS was going on, imagine millions of people (who have no business being there) rushing to your door, and each one constantly ringing the doorbell, and you having to keep getting back up, open the damn door, and check each one.

I mean, by your example, a system is already in place like that: authetication/security certificates. But like I said, you still have to actually check each connection to even verify. A DDOS is just the massive traffic spike while the server is going crazy trying to figure out who the hell is trying to come in.
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st1nk nuts said:
why not just have your friends do a special door bell ring sequence? that way you know when its a friend or some random asshole.
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HaRyu said:
Aha, you forget the part about the million assholes at your front door all trying to ring the doorbell.

Your legitimate friends might actually be in that million, and they're trying to get to the door... but they can't, because there's a million assholes trying to ring the damn doorbell.

By some miracle, one of your friends actually makes it to the doorbell, THEN you let them in. This is why during a DDOS attack, you might get amazingly lucky and actually be able to log in. By pure dumb luck, you managed to initiate a handshake and the server went "oh thank fucking god, someone who isnt an asshole" and lets you in.

But then you do the stupid thing, and realize that you forgot something in your car, so you have to go back outside. And goddamit, the only way back in is through those million assholes. This is also why if you're already logged in, you're could be perfectly fine, but as soon as you do the stupid thing and log out, you're screwed.
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So both are still down? How long can this realistically continue, if it's really Lizard Squad DDoSing and not just a regular spike in activity around Christmas?
 
fwj said:
Xmas is ruined, i demand 1 billion dollars from Sony.
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as far as i am concerned you deserve every last penny

Famassu said:
So both are still down? How long can this realistically continue, if it's really Lizard Squad DDoSing and not just a regular spike in activity around Christmas?
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Live is back up and has been for 12 hours or so. thread title is a bit behind.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
I got 9 right now. Guess Im lucky. I am able to sign in and out no problem.
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Must have to do with how the traffic is routed from your location back to the main PSN core. I'm guessing everyone hits different local severs in their region.

Would explain why I never have problems with PSN or download speeds but others seem to.
 
danowat said:
I'm not bothered to that extent, just genuinely interested in the differences in infrastructure of two similarly priced products is all
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Sony uses a FreeBSD based OS
MS uses a Windows based OS

They could have similar employees, but their infrastructures are totally different.

Who knows what services they both use. They'd probably sue each other if things collided too much. They can't be buddy-buddy considering they're each other's competition. You have to think MS would call in their PC engineering side if things got technical. Sony might have the same thing, but I believe Sony just cut their PC division. Knowing MS they've dealt with something similar. They probably have a networking department for this sort of problem. You're talking about the company whose ex-employees include the creator of Valve.
 
Famassu said:
So both are still down? How long can this realistically continue, if it's really Lizard Squad DDoSing and not just a regular spike in activity around Christmas?
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Lizard Squad claims to have stopped DDoSing both XBL and PSN yesterday already. Claims, anyway. XBL is apparently working again, mostly, while PS4's PSN is struggling for whatever reason: leftover damage from the attack, maintenance to try and mitigate future attacks, who knows. Until Sony makes an official statement, it's all just guesswork as to why the PS4 PSN is still having trouble for some, while PS3 and Vita are now fine. It could be Sony is keeping some of the PS4 PSN structures offline to double-check them for any actual intrusion attempts that were made during the DDoS.

danowat said:
I'm not bothered to that extent, just genuinely interested in the differences in infrastructure of two similarly priced products is all
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While from the end-user perspective, Sony and Microsoft offer "similar" products, behind the scenes the two could not be more different. MS uses it's own enterprise server solutions and cloud solutions, since it sells those (why pay for it if you make it yourself, and can use your use of it as advertising - think Amazon and AWS), while Sony likely has to outsource. I'm not sure if Sony and MS both use in-house DDoS mitigation (unlikely), but we don't know who they pay for mitigation services. Sony might use Cloudflare why MS shells out for Proxemic or Norse or Arbor, or perhaps Sony *does* use Norse and they were just caught unaware, or didn't respond to the Norse early-warning fast enough. It's very difficult to know, since we're not privy to a lot of this sensitive information.
 
Caja 117 said:
I dont even know what to say to his comment, just that, Does it matter if they didnt?, but in perspective you are trying to compare the software technology, experience and resources of a company like MS, against one that doesnt have that. but If you believe a troll group over what you have seen so far on a service that has more than 10 years and no publicly known Hack, then go right ahead. I will drop this topic now.
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Sony has resources and experiencve......every company like sony who has huge IT infrastructure is vested into security.....I don;t think you realise how IT security works, you dont even need to be an IT company to have a lot vested into it.

Not having a public hack doesnt mean anything, has macdonlads? Maybe they have better security then the government.,
 
Hero_of_the_Day said:
I don't know what you're on about exactly here, but I'm sure there are a lot of kids-teens out there who have had a pretty disappointing holiday because of this.
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It's an utterly shit thing to be happening at Christmas for sure.

"Disappointing"? That too. Obviously people want their gifts to work when they receive them.

"Christmas ruined"? Nah, not for me. Think about the sort of language used in that sort of statement and ask yourself if that's what Christmas should be about. Ruined? Child receives $350 gift and his Christmas is "ruined" because it's not working just right for 1-2 days? Demanding compensation and stuff like that?

Bollocks to that. Like I said, stuff should work and it sucks that it doesn't because of some angry virgins sat at a computer. But there's an irritating lack of perspective of some of the comments about this I've seen over the last day or so.
 
I couldn't login to psn at all yesterday until late last night when I got back home. I've been able to login today without problems so far as well.

In the US, by the way.
 
bananafactory said:
Must have to do with how the traffic is routed from your location back to the main PSN core. I'm guessing everyone hits different local severs in their region.

Would explain why I never have problems with PSN or download speeds but others seem to.
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That makes sense. I think if I'm able to get on that kind of debunks the whole Sony shut down PSN rumor though wouldn't it?
 
LookAtMeGo said:
That makes sense. I think if I'm able to get on that kind of debunks the whole Sony shut down PSN rumor though wouldn't it?
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Haha what, is that a thing? I haven't been in this thread much today. But yeah it most definitely would, they may have certain servers down but if they'd shut down the entire network no one would be on.
 
Northeastmonk said:
Sony uses a FreeBSD based OS
MS uses a Windows based OS

They could have similar employees, but their infrastructures are totally different.

Who knows what services they both use. They'd probably sue each other if things collided too much. They can't be buddy-buddy considering they're each other's competition. You have to think MS would call in their PC engineering side if things got technical. Sony might have the same thing, but I believe Sony just cut their PC division.
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Ok, cool, to the layman, they would appear to be the same 'product'.

Maybe it's time they pooled resources to try and combat this issue, it's a win win situation if they can
 
Parmenide said:
Italy here:
-PS3 is up
-PS4 still down
-Didn't try with Vita

Things now are getting a bit too ridiculous.
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Finland here:
- PS3 is up
- PS4 still down
- PSVita is up
- Mobile application is working and you can send & receive messages.
-> From app checked:
-> Got 190 people in friendslist, 13 of them are now online.
 
Caja 117 said:
I dont even know what to say to his comment, just that, Does it matter if they didnt?, but in perspective you are trying to compare the software technology, experience and resources of a company like MS, against one that doesnt have that. but If you believe a troll group over what you have seen so far on a service that has more than 10 years and no publicly known Hack, then go right ahead. I will drop this topic now.
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Don't mind him, he's very very pro Sony based off his history.
 
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