It's not that they weren't able to, consoles are hardly cutting edge, it's that they decided not to in order to lower price and successfully target a different market.
The Wii U and its ability to produce amazing visuals.
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It's not that they weren't able to, consoles are hardly cutting edge, it's that they decided not to in order to lower price and successfully target a different market.
ninjablade
Banned
that's entirely subjective. Nintendo game are not even close to keeping up with ps4/xb1 graphically.
Both games are full of jaggies. B2 looks better mainly because the pallette is much more vibrant and colorful.
Projectjustice
Banned
I know it was there choice in design. They went with innovation instead of hardware since it didnt pay off with Gamecube.
megabytecr
Member
Yes it is subjective, but I also believe that, they are doing an amazing job at competing in terms of final looks, call it whatever you like.
Sanctuary
Member
Probably because in your first post you touched on it and then proceeded to write as though there's some other kind of magic going on that is specific to the Wii U. It's just the developer. The same images you posted could easily be replicated, if not surpassed on the Xbone and PS4.
JaseMath
Member
That's not the only reason. Yeah, the color palette helps a ton, but in general environments and enemies are more detailed & varied, textures look better, and I thought the animations were better all around. B1 seems empty and bland by comparison.
KillerMan91
Member
Actually X360 and PS3 were pretty cutting edge when they were released (especially X360) and they both lost billions during first couple of years because Sony and MS sold them so much under the productions costs. Nintendo really couldn't have afforded that as they are pure gaming company. This gen I agree though. Sony is actually making probably more money with PS4s hw than Nintendo with WiiUs (I guess the tablet controller is rather expensive to make)
BigTnaples
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I wouldn't call anything we have seen on the WiiU amazing graphically.
Some of the art styles do indeed look pleasing to the eye, and clean.
That said, the actual gameplay of ZeldaU drowned out all my hopes for it. Gameplay looked dull and graphics looked nowhere near lush and solid as the original trailer.
Some of the art styles do indeed look pleasing to the eye, and clean.
That said, the actual gameplay of ZeldaU drowned out all my hopes for it. Gameplay looked dull and graphics looked nowhere near lush and solid as the original trailer.
Not weaker, just very different. The PS3, in the right hands, can be a powerhouse of a system but there are very few developers that develop for SMP systems well. Extremely difficult to moderately well, although libraries late in the PS3 life simplified this somewhat. Compared to the XB360, in the end, they were essentially comparably performing systems.
The PS3 CELL processor was an extremely elegant, exotic architecture that was designed to be scalable in connected systems. The XB360 was a more straightforward design, not as efficient, but made up for it in software (only two tape outs before going into FCS).
As for the WiiU, it is a very straightforward design that, admittedly (and obviously), has raw performance issues vs the PS4 and XBone. However, and again, in the right hands, the WiiU can produce some amazingly beautiful games that perform wonderfully. Anyone that thinks that SMW3D does not look wonderful is just fooling themselves or arguing for the sake of arguing.
See it in motion (and, for that matter, Journey, Bayonetta 2, Drive Club, etc.) before screaming about how you think it looks like crap. You may not like the art style, you may be tired of Mario, you may have a fondness for other platforms, but to say that it is bad looking? Come on....
And there is som much happening on the screen, in HUGE set pieces, that if a lack of anti-aliasing is the primary concern, then it is truly a forest for the trees issue...
pinkurocket
Member
That's what I meant to say in the later part of the sentence, lol.
The real problem of WiiU it's not to have raw performance issues just compared to the ps4/xbone which is normal, but compared even the older ps360, that's what I simply said at the end.
JaseMath
Member
How can you say that? It was offscreen footage at a distance from an early build.
Why would anyone think that Nintendo was going to have this gigantic Zelda information blowout at the VGAs? Of course they're going to use the bigger stage at E3 to have the huge coming out party.
I'm not just talking about your spat with ProjectJustice, I'm referencing your engagement with pretty much everyone in this thread and your general behavior.
At this point you not being able (?) to acknowledge that CELL may outperform PS4's Jaguar in any respect, despite sourced info showing it objectively does, isn't my concern. That ship sailed and you'll obviously never budge.
Aeriscloud
Banned
Yeah, off screen world scale demonstrations have absolutely killed this game for me. I may never see in color again either.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I have a hard time believe that Nintendo would easily be able to put out a console similar to Ps4 and XboxOne.
I'm still baffeled by the WiiU and its lack of power because its the main reason why the WiiU is such a flop(saleswise)
Nintendo knew that the WiiU is barely more powerful than Ps3 and Xbox360 and Nintendo knew that there won't be a visible difference. So graphics won't be a reason for people to upgrade.
They must have prototyped some games for the gamepad and they must have noticed that there is nothing to special you can do with it, after all no Nintendo 1st party game to this day does anything revolutionary with it, so Nintendo must have known that this Gameplad won't draw people in either.
They also must have been aware of the fact that Sony and Microsoft will release new consoles shortly after and they certainly will be well above Ps360 in terms of power.
I really think Nintendo would've built a more powerful console if the could, but they couldn't.
It was obvious that the WiiU was going to flop with those specs. It wasn't an upgraded over Ps360 visuals, its wasn't powerful enough to keep up with Ps4 and XboxOne, so it wasn't surprising that 3rd party support was very rare.
And without a feature as successful as motion control Nintendo isn't able to make up for the lack of 3rd party.
All they can offer is Nintendo 1st party, and thats not enough to appeal to the whole market. As we can see now its enough to get them to 10-15mil lifetime console sales
So either Nintendo is extremly disconnected from reality, or they said fuck it and just released a pretty weak hardware without any hope for proper 3rd party support just with the plan to release some nice 1st party games for 10-15mil fans, which would be a weird position to take for the marketshare leader of last gen.
Nintendo might think that more power won't help their own games(even though I'd disagree here) but they have to acknowledge that a console needs to be competitive from a technical standpoint to be a valid option for 3rd party publishers.
Ulysses 31
Member
People seem to forget what the Wii U is a successor of
, the Wii,
And keeping that in mind you cannot deny that it is a considerable jump forward, and it even draws a little less power.
FreedomFighter
Member
The reason these types of threads go to crap is because there is a segment of GAF that can't take it when people say that Wii U is fully capable of producing awesome visuals. So then they have to meticulously criticize every Wii U screenshot and be obtuse about everything, as if refusing to admit that Wii U games can be very pretty even on relatively (to PS4 and Bone) weak hardware. People enjoying visuals of many Wii U games is not a knock to PS4 or XBone and it's nothing to be upset about!
When all is said and done, we'll see much better visuals from the Wii U than anything the PS360 could ever do. Sure because the Wii U's infrastructure is different, PS360 ports don't perform as well (unless the dev puts in some effort like we saw with Need for Speed and Bayonetta), but that was the same issue of PS360 games when 360 was the lead platform.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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This is really silly. Even with the footage being off screen, it was obvious that the graphics hadn't been downgraded. Look at the gifs someone put on the last page.
Plus, as I'm sure others will point out there's no way you can make any big judgement about the gameplay from that video. It's still a year away and they're obviously not going to be able to, or even want to, show anything significant gameplay wise.
All the VGA footage was meant to do was to give Geoff something good and please the fans since we hadn't seen anything since E3.
Projectjustice
Banned
Its pretty ridiculous, he acts as if this has a released date of next month. Its a year away from, being released!
To everyone who tried to defend the WiiU hardware, to be more precise. And why again this stuff about the Cell? I just explained to you why for me it's not exactly correct talk of outperform because such stuff it's not cpu related, ps4 cpu it's more cpu than the cell, cell it's almost a gpu, of course can handle more graphic stuff. I'm not sure why you try to lean the discussion in this territory. But if you want to hear to me yeah cell overperform ps4 cpu in some way, that's it. I hope it's enough. Not sure what change from the perspective of the WiiU hardware.sörine;145466530 said:
Captain Europe
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GenericUser
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I think I'm missing something. Good devs produce games with good graphic. Alright ... and?
Amentallica
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I want them to remaster Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door for the Wii U and then I'll grab it, because I don't think a Metroid game is coming until the next console hits. :[
Or if the Wii U drops to below $200 in a short time.
Or if the Wii U drops to below $200 in a short time.
tkscz
Member
Off screen demo with the sole purpose being to show us how big the world is. Jumping to conclusions.
Ulysses 31
Member
I don't get people that him either, all we saw was some riding around and firing a few arrows. There's obviously so much more in Zelda games like the sword combat, dungeons, items, puzzles, boss fights, story
But somehow jokers like him already had their hopes "faded away".
Never mind that the footage was shown off screen, faw away shot at an angle.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
I think the problem here is that the appealing visuals we are talking about are appealing because of good artstyle and not because of notable technical assets of the WiiU.
Games with good artstyle that are beautiful even by todays standards can be found on any plattform, no matter how powerful.
So a fitting more title woul be: "Nintendos 1st party department and its ability to produce amazing artstyle."
Then again, some people would come in and state other studios that made games with good artstyle, too.
Ironically a similar thing would never happen if someone would open a thread praising the beauty of Dreamcast games, or PSP games.
Noboby would come in to trash those games graphics and post some Driveclub gifs.
The whole Driveclub discussion in here started because someone said that next gen(meaning Ps4/One) is very disappointing visually.
And we also had gem like the "uncanny wet road" in Driveclub.
So it goes both ways.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
They said last E3 they wanted to talk about 2D AND 3D Metroid in the near future so it's pretty likely Wii U will get one.
Not sure why EVERY thread about liking the WiiU's graphics turns into "TEH TECHNICALS! TEH TECHNICALS! IT'S SO LAST GEN!" That's not what the thread was about, it was about appreciating what has been pulled off for what is under the WiiU's hood. If someone is comparing it to a PS4 or XB1 game, just pay them no mind, no one really expects the WiiU to pull off technical visuals like that, and we really don't want to have a graphics comparison thread. We just want to appreciate what we have. With that said, I like the visuals of the WiiU, regardless of tech or art, I think the games we've seen so far (mostly from Nintendo) look damn good.
Holy fuck, somebody finally gets it. I wasn't looking for comparisons or what if scenarios I was simply trying to a appreciate what Nintendo and the Wii U have accomplished in terms of visual output in the face of all the negativity surrounding the Wii U and it's lack of muscle. The art direction only talk is bit redundant because I'm pretty sure these games looking good have more to do with than just art direction, now I'm not saying any of these games are powerhouse' in terms of GFX, but I think there's is a healthy amount of tech that helps complement these games and their overall visual presentation.
Well this is absurd. It's not like console manufacturers are insulated from all other hardware manufacturers. The PS4 is the most off the shelf console we've probably ever had. You think Nintendo couldn't have bought some fairly uncustomized CPUs and GPUs and slapped them together?
Nintendo's problem with power is their exotic hardware that doesn't have anywhere near as many people researching and developing it and their refusal to move away from this hardware in order to keep backwards compatibility.
But ps360 were the same generation.WiiU it's younger about 5 years. It's nevet happened an hardware can't handle the assets seen in the older machines.
tkscz
Member
Actually...the WiiU is, in the aggregate, more powerful than the 360 or PS3. Period.
I completely agree. Of all the systems in our house, the WiiU and the 3DS are the two platforms that get the most regular use with the family. So much joy in Nintendo games!
ninjablade
Banned
The same thing could be said for 360/ps3, which are 8 year old console's that actually have games with better graphics. so why does the wiiu hardware deserve praise again?
The same thing could
But can't handle multiplat better because it's unbalanced. It's a paradox.
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
This is pointless conflict over semantics imo. It's safe to assume most everyone on this board is aware that the Wii U can't touch the other consoles technically, so why should there be a need for this type of correction that always happens in these threads when it's completely obvious that the visuals the title is referring to are due to the artistry of Nintendo's devs?
No it's not. Developers make choices on how many resources they'll spend on porting, e.g. time, money, and research. Porting across different architectures isn't easy or cheap.
Mohonky
Member
Why are people continually coming up with this shit that Nintendo couldn't compete with MS and Sony hardware? Were you guys born in the late 90's or something?
Nintendo never had a console less powerful than the competition till the Wii, then they came in between the other consoles with a similar philosophy. After 4 generations of having the most powerful or near as close to the most powerful hardware available, do you think they just 'forgot' how to approach hardware vendors or something?
Nintendo never had a console less powerful than the competition till the Wii, then they came in between the other consoles with a similar philosophy. After 4 generations of having the most powerful or near as close to the most powerful hardware available, do you think they just 'forgot' how to approach hardware vendors or something?
A new hardware should handle multiplat better to a five older machine, without any problem of cost or know-how. It's the minimum expected from the developers. The anomaly it's Nintendo here.
But no one is saying otherwise, why so insecure?
GiantEnemyGoomba
Member
They would play exactly the same. As for what they'd look like, you'll know in less than three years.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
The fact you originally jumped into the discussion with the claims that wiiU had a weaker CPU than those in the ps360. Which, when countered by several posters that the CPUs in ps360 were truly strong in one aspect, to the point Cell exceeded even the CPUs in ps4/xbone in that aspect (namely, FLOPS), you turned around into the argument 'but not for general-purpose CPU functions'. Ironically, same can be said about Espresso and the PPEs in the ps360 - Espresso is the better general-purpose CPU, but it gets trounced in FLOPS by the CPUs in the ps360, particularly by Cell.
Now, now. Don't get your knickers in a twist. I understand being way out of your sphere of competence can be frustrating, but still maintaining a cool head in a public discussion is paramount. FYI, I'm the one you quoted a few pages ago.
I personally don't even compare the wiiu to Ps4 or x1. I compare it to ps3,360, that's a fair comparison imo.
pinkurocket
Member
Playing Wii games it sucks to not see them in HD. Games like Skyward Sword & Xenoblade would have benefited so much from a bit more power to take it into HD. The same can be said about Wii U games, just a bit more power to fix those jaggies in most games. You can always find things to improve.