The Wii U and its ability to produce amazing visuals.

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Which makes no sense. Nintendo wasn't being praised for their graphics on the original Wii.
Quite false.

No but people trying to misrepresent the OPS sentiment is quite annoying. Next time it happens I take various threads that have happened the last two years to certain mods and show a repeated behavior of some to stink up non tech topics with that or comparison talk. OP was quite clear even if he used certain terms that was off that he appreciates nintendo's ability to make the most of what they got. Topic had nothing to other platforms and their abilities to do amazing visuals as well.

If some people can't handle certain topics they have they choice not to enter them and bring certain crap in.
The title of thread it's quite misleading and not everyone read the OP after so many pages. It happens frequently stuff like this. And other people who tried to lean the discussion in the tech stuff, different times provide bizarre statement about the real graphic capability of the WiiU hardware, saying strange things. That's why it's easy to derail.
 
No the title of thread it's quite misleading and not everyone read the first post after so many pages. It happens frequently stuff like this. And other people who tried to lean the discussion in the tech stuff, different times provide false statement about the real graphic capability of the WiiU hardware, saying strange things. That's why it's easy to derail.

How is it misleading it's says amazing visuals and that has little to do with tech, that's a subjective statement. Seriously it's annoying that people read more in to some statements than is necessary or actually implied. Not reading the first post or what the topic about is on those doing that not on the op. The only reason the discussion went tech is cause people cherry picked one statement he made instead of looking at the whole.

Anyone stating they know what WiiU is capable of have a lot to backup considering we don't have much that is officially known about it. All we have even after getting photographs of the architecture of it is rough estimates anything specific requires a source and I don't see plenty putting it down providing anything real or substantial to make their point.
 
Stuff like the first Zelda WiiU tech demo also hasn't happend on WiiU so far, not even something that comes remotely close to it.

What

You're telling me that not only are these

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not comparable if not clearly better than this


but they aren't even close either....... Again what
 
and 3D World is hideous. Galaxy on Dolphin completely destroys it, but that also had great art direction, unlike 3D World which would have only made sense with the 3D effect on 3ds.

yeah, Galaxy upressed completely destroy 3D World *rolleyes* (and no you can't magically improve lightening, visual effects and texture with Dolphin)

 
Probably the premise of the whole thread it's completely unfair. You can't drop bomb like the ability of the Wii U to produce amazing graphic and expect the other stay quiet, when it's more the ability of Nintendo developers to achieve such graphic and not this opinable hardware

Well, the WiiU, once in the right hands, can produce lovely visuals. When compared to what the PS4 and both XboxOne are capable off, Nintendo, especially Nintendo EAD, has achieved quite remarkable graphics, considering the WiiU specs. To me it's unfair comparing the WiiU to more powerful machines. But as said before, I'm not really into specs are what consoles are capable off, I'm into great games, no matter what console.
 
How is it misleading it's says amazing visuals and that has little to do with tech, that's a subjective statement. Seriously it's annoying that people read more in to some statements than is necessary or actually implied. Not reading the first post or what the topic about is on those doing that not on the op. The only reason the discussion went tech is cause people cherry picked one statement he made instead of looking at the whole.

Anyone stating they know what WiiU is capable of have a lot to backup considering we don't have much that is officially known about it. All we have even after getting photographs of the architecture of it is rough estimates anything specific requires a source and I don't see plenty putting it down providing anything real or substantial to make their point.
But it happens tons of times people just read the thread title.In any case, you can't expect everyone agree with your sentiment. Someone could use the other graphic stuff seen in more advanced console, just to prove the graphic in the WiiU it's not that special because he prefers other stuff.It's normal.
 
Well, the WiiU, once in the right hands, can produce lovely visuals. When compared to what the PS4 and both XboxOne are capable off, Nintendo, especially Nintendo EAD, has achieved quite remarkable graphics, considering the WiiU specs. To me it's unfair comparing the WiiU to more powerful machines. But as said before, I'm not really into specs are what consoles are capable off, I'm into great games, no matter what console.
This is more complicate. I don't think WiiU provide that better graphic in the right hands. Well, maybe in some particular scenario. But what Nintendo achieved it's more an impressive steady 60 fps but not any other tech stuff. It's more exceptional artistic design than real tech stuff. Most of the developers have complete different priorities so it's complicate know if it's just matters to be in the right hands.
 
you don't know what you're talking about. Game looks good whether it's raining or not. The lighting, enviroments along with the modeling of the cars is basically untouched within it's own genre let alone most others.

If you're not impressed show me what impresses you and explain how it technically beats DC when very few games can touch the two biggest elements of it's graphical achievements. This isn't a gameplay discussion either it's graphics save that spin for another post.
Sorry but I agree with the other poster. The environments do not wow me as I thought they would and have often seen instances of pop in. You couod go on about how technically superior it is as you want but actually sitting in front of my TV, playing the game, I am not impressed. Not to mention the brain dead ai which consistently crash into you.
 
I don' really get this kind of thread... I mean tha part where the op says why would you need a better hardware, they are doing so good with this one..

If anything, that generation is about Nintendo becoming super good and creative with modern 3D techs, and the hate for Mario 3D world is ridiculous. I'm playing it right now and teh texture/light/shader work + 60fps makes me literally want to lick every surface in it. They look .. real to me. I've rarely felt that in a videogame.

The art direction lacks coherency in some parts, but it's so well refined in the details that it's still magical.

Now i would have an other conclusion.. The experience and skills Nintendo acquired in 3D this gen.. just screams for a better hardware. Just wait.. Current Nintendo artists with PS4 power will melt everyone's face. And what they're trying to do with something like Zelda Wiiu is clearly a big stretch for the machine they're using and it will show a lot.
 
Would love to see proof. Nintendo games last gen were praised for gameplay but graphic threads like these didn't exist.



Wow completely convinced me there!
The only way to convince you it's say something of enthusiast about the WiiU hardware. But it's the first time which I heard Nintendo ability in the graphic wasn't prized in the Wii era. You missed a bunch of DF article and post in this forum.
 
But it happens tons of times people just read the thread title.In any case, you can't expect everyone agree with your sentiment. Someone could use the other graphic stuff seen in more advanced console, just to prove the graphic in the WiiU it's not that special because he prefers other stuff.It's normal.

There are options people have when it happens and should be taken, but I hate getting near backseat modding so I will leave my sentiments on the first line at that.

I never said or implied that everyone should agree with my sentiment but if they can't take some truth and let people have their own opinions instead of some of the crap I'm seeing they don't belong on the site.

People can make comparisons all they want but when that isn't the intention they should expect the inevitable backlash or pushback we are seeing. The graphics are special nintendo games haven't looked any better in previous and I'm enjoying the few odds and ends that we get from indies or big developers.

Sorry but I agree with the other poster. The environments do not wow me as I thought they would and have often seen instances of pop in. You couod go on about how technically superior it is as you want but actually sitting in front of my TV, playing the game, I am not impressed. Not to mention the brain dead ai which consistently crash into you.

So what you can not be wowed all you like but when you conflate several ideas like you did expect the heat you're getting. Racings ais in plenty of games do it, nfs rivals, the crew, and drive club all have the same behavior of ais crashing in to you for a whole host of dumb reasons, not mention it has nothing to do with graphics. I get it that adds to why you don't enjoy the game or aren't impressed by it but in topic of graphics it's doesn't add much to the main point.
 
There are options people have when it happens and should be taken, but I hate getting near backseat modding so I will leave my sentiments on the first line at that.

I never said or implied that everyone should agree with my sentiment but if they can't take some truth and let people have their own opinions instead of some of the crap I'm seeing they don't belong on the site.

People can make comparisons all they want but when that isn't the intention they should expect the inevitable backlash or pushback we are seeing. The graphics are special nintendo games haven't looked any better in previous and I'm enjoying the few odds and ends that we get from indies or big developers.
I don't think people tries to change the others opinion when disagree and tries to provide their points of view. If you want to avoid such stuff, the only way it's to stay in a forum with limited access only for Nintendo users, I guess. I'm serious.
 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=766031&page=2

best looking 60 fps games from lastgen, many posters saying mario galaxy looks best or in there list.

That doesnt backup aything you have stated.

The only way to convince you it's say something of enthusiast about the WiiU hardware. But it's the first time which I heard Nintendo ability in the graphic wasn't prized in the Wii era. You missed a bunch of DF article and post in this forum.

What does DF have anything to do with this thread? You have been reaching in this thread for 2 days now. Its pretty pathetic.
 
I don't think people tries to change the others opinion when disagree and tries to provide their points of view. If you want to avoid such stuff, the only way it's to stay in a forum with limited access only for Nintendo users, I guess. I'm serious.

Again I never said I wanted to avoid discussion and if you check my history I don't.

People are welcome to their opinions what they aren't welcome to is fascist way of dismissing others viewpoints period. If some people don't like what the ops or others say they can simply stop being salty babies or learn to live with pushback like this

For the record I'm not saying you're doing this personally.
 
I've already seen the visuals. I'm not impressed. I don't know this post is supposed to do outside of trying to force me to change my mind.
It's not about changing your mind but that, from most people's experience, a sense of speed is not primarily achieved through 60fps but by creating a tunnel effect through smart track layout. Sense of speed comes from the fact that you see scenery moving past you at high speeds.

Driving a Fiat Panda Super '90 in GT6 is not going to give you the same sense of speed as driving a ferrari in PGR3 london city.
 
Again I never said I wanted to avoid discussion and if you check my history I don't.

People are welcome to their opinions what they aren't welcome to is fascist way of dismissing others viewpoints period. If some people don't like what the ops or others say they can simply stop being salty babies or learn to live with pushback like this

For the record I'm not saying you're doing this personally.
That's fine, I understood perfectly your sentiment. And I agree with you.
That doesnt backup aything you have stated.



What does DF have anything to do with this thread? You have been reaching in this thread for 2 days now. Its pretty pathetic.
I hoped you will be banned because I was annoyed to your childish behaviour and your constant attitude to troll my person without provide any of constructive just stop it, you are embarassing. You are in denial even with the facts.
 
Point being...? Does the Wii U hardware now have the magical property of greater understanding? Is there some special chip for that?

They design their hardware so they know how to use it to its maximum potential, they designed it with their own needs in mind.

This isn't really a crazy or even new concept.

Edit: wait this is a really old thread heh

Edit: wait again it's from freaky yesterday! Why does it have six pages!?
 
well i clearly showed you a few posters picking mario galaxy and smash brawl as the best 60 fps graphics from lastgen, what more do you want? and this is on hardware that couldn't even do hd. i'm done here.

A few posts and this is what you are using as proof that Nintendo Wii games were considered to be a graphical treat in the same way people are in this thread over Wii U? There are tons of actual threads on Neogaf talking about Wii U graphical abilties. This was not the case with the Wii. Yea you keep reaching there buddy.

I hoped you will be banned because I was annoyed to your childish behaviour and your constant attitude to troll my post. Just stop it.

If we were going by this thread, you would be way ahead of me. The CPU conversation a few pages ago was hilarious on your part.
 
A few posts and this is what you are using as proof that Nintendo Wii games were considered to be a graphical treat in the same way people are in this thread? There are tons of actual threads on Neogaf talking about Wii U graphical abilties. This was not the case with the Wii. Yea you keep reaching there buddy.



If we were going by this thread, you would be way ahead of me. The CPU conversation a few pages ago was hilarious on your part.
More hilarious you don't even catch a single concept of the whole matter because you are too much busy to troll. My last post to you, goodbye.
 
More hilarious you don't even catch a single concept of the whole matter because you are too much busy to troll. My last post to you, goodbye.

How am I trolling? Oh thats right, cause I dont agree with you. Might as well call everyone in this thread that doesnt agree with you a troll as well. You have been dragging this thread down since it started. We all know Wii U is the weakest of the 3 but that doesnt mean it cant produce good graphics. Not only just good graphic but a lot of games are running at 60FPS as well. Oh lets not forget Wii U games actually work the day you buy them.
 
Cpu on the ps3 overtake the ps4 cpu in the graphic task and no, you try to say ps3 cpu it's superior in some way to the ps4 cpu when it's absolutely false, just to prove how fine it's to have a weaker cpu for the wiiu, when it's not. With the edram you need a better cpu to support the whole performance in the hardware because bottleneck are everywhere, we can stop here please?

Serious question. Are you a developer?
 
A few posts and this is what you are using as proof that Nintendo Wii games were considered to be a graphical treat in the same way people are in this thread? There are tons of actual threads on Neogaf talking about Wii U graphical abilties. Yea you keep reaching there buddy.

there were also tons of threads about wii graphics capability when the mario galaxy trailers came out, talking about wii power, and how the game looks amazing, many people thought the wii had secret sauce. it's typical nintendo fans hyperbole when it comes to graphic threads about the wiiu capability, mostly subjective personal preference, then the actual tech the game is pushing.
 
Not sure why EVERY thread about liking the WiiU's graphics turns into "TEH TECHNICALS! TEH TECHNICALS! IT'S SO LAST GEN!" That's not what the thread was about, it was about appreciating what has been pulled off for what is under the WiiU's hood. If someone is comparing it to a PS4 or XB1 game, just pay them no mind, no one really expects the WiiU to pull off technical visuals like that, and we really don't want to have a graphics comparison thread. We just want to appreciate what we have. With that said, I like the visuals of the WiiU, regardless of tech or art, I think the games we've seen so far (mostly from Nintendo) look damn good

The thread title is literally noting the WiiU's ability to produce amazing visuals.

Not the programmers, not Nintendo, not the art teams. The WiiU.

Bit of a flawed premise.
 
How am I trolling? Oh thats right, cause I dont agree with you. Might as well call everyone in this thread that doesnt agree with you a troll as well. You have been dragging this thread down since it started. We all know Wii U is the weakest of the 3 but that doesnt mean it cant produce good graphics. Not only just good graphic but a lot of games are running at 60FPS as well. Oh lets not forget Wii U games actually work the day you buy them.

Ooook.
 
M°°nblade;145462246 said:
It's not about changing your mind but that, from most people's experience, a sense of speed is not primarily achieved through 60fps but by creating a tunnel effect through smart track layout. Sense of speed comes from the fact that you see scenery moving past you at high speeds.

I thought it was pretty obvious that I was not saying framerate alone conveys sense of speed, but that the effectiveness of it is heavily dependent on it. 30fps just isn't enough for it to produce a good effect.
 
there were also tons of threads about wii graphics capability when the mario galaxy trailers came out, talking about wii power, and how the game looks amazing, many people thought the wii had secret sauce. it's typical nintendo fans hyperbole when it comes to graphic threads about the wiiu capability, mostly subjective personal preference, then the actual tech the game is pushing.

Yet Wii was never considered a graphical console. The amount of times that this actually happened is very minimum compared to Wii U. Wii never got the same type perception that the Wii U is getting. Wii U is the reason Nintendo is able to produce beautiful games cause Nintendo designed that way. No one with any logic brought a Wii due to its graphical capabilities.

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Ooook.

Troll response if ever.
 
Serious question. Are you a developer?
Nope but I'm quite passionate of the matter. I read different talks about some developers in the beyond3d forum and the trouble in the WiiU hardware setup. They tried to understand why most of the multiplat runs worst on the WiiU hardware and the only real explanation it's cpu doesn't support enough the edram and the gpu, because it hasn't enough grunt.
Well if I'm not wrong some notorious developers too leaked various complaints about the weakness in the cpu and how it's inappropriate compared the ps360 ancient hardware.
 
Nope but I'm quite passionate of the matter. I read different talks about some developers in the beyond3d forum and the trouble in the WiiU hardware setup. They tried to understand why most of the multiplat runs worst on the WiiU hardware and the only real explanation it's cpu doesn't support enough the edram and the gpu, because it hasn't enough grunt.

And your position on PS3 SPUs/performance vs PS4 CPU? Where do you stand on this/where do you get your facts from? (No more derailing the thread, sorry folks - the WiiU, with the correct art style and in the hands of capable developers, targeting the platform with their toolchain, can produce some beautiful results)
 
Yet Wii was never considered a graphical console. The amount of times that this actually happened is very minimum compared to Wii U. Wii never got the same type perception that the Wii U is getting. Wii U is the reason Nintendo is able to produce beautiful games cause Nintendo designed that way.

well the wii was pure shit when it comes to hardware and still considered by nintedno fans to have some of the best looking games of lastgen, so what do you expect when you get hardware that can actually do HD and programmable shaders. so the reception is expected no matter how disappointing it is.
 
More hilarious you don't even catch a single concept of the whole matter because you are too much busy to troll. My last post to you, goodbye.
My there's a lot of projection coming from you. It's everyone else that's simply wrong and doesn't know what they're talking about. It's everyone else that's moving the goalposts. It's everyone else with the frustrating bias. It's not a clear pattern of derailment from a select few, it's an honest difference of opinion and sincere discourse. Everyone else is The Troll.

Oh how the world must look through your eyes.
 
well the wii was pure shit when it comes to hardware and still considered by nintedno fans to have some of the best looking games of lastgen, so what do you expect when you get hardware that can actually do HD and programmable shaders, so the reception is expected no matter how disappointing it is.

Hyerbolic statement. Theres a huge different between SD and HD. I can see Nintendo fans loving the art style of Nintendo games but to say it has the best graphics of the generation is just hyperbole.
 
What

You're telling me that not only are these




not comparable if not clearly better than this



but they aren't even close either....... Again what

No. Its not really a fair comparison since real Zelda U and Xenoblade both have huge world and the Zelda Tech Demo was pretty small in scale.
But it superior in every way: textures, SSR, AO, shading, particle effects, lighting etc.
 
there were also tons of threads about wii graphics capability when the mario galaxy trailers came out, talking about wii power, and how the game looks amazing, many people thought the wii had secret sauce. it's typical nintendo fans hyperbole when it comes to graphic threads about the wiiu capability, mostly subjective personal preference, then the actual tech the game is pushing.

If you're going to selectively judge the few ignorant fans that every console has, of course you're going to have such a bitter view of the Nintendo fans. Threads like this one are made to point out Nintendo has been able to create games on Wii U that can keep up with it's more powerful competitors, and it's because of art style and design choices (lighting, framerate etc). Of course it's going to be subjective. The people fighting spec wars are embarrassing and will always be shut down with a 'pc master race' reply.

That's not to say some people make informed replies about specs, but those mostly get ignored for typical fanboyism.
 
Can anyone make comparison of Bayonetta 2 on Wii U and Bayonetta 1 on PS3/Xbox 360? If I recall correctly, B1 has very few aliasing on last-gen consoles. Meanwhile, B2 has some pretty rough aliasing from what I see in screenshot thread.

I could be wrong though.
 
And your position on PS3 SPUs/performance vs PS4 CPU? Where do you stand on this/where do you get your facts from? (No more derailing the thread, sorry folks - the WiiU, with the correct art style and in the hands of capable developers, targeting the platform with their toolchain, can produce some beautiful results)
SPU on ps3 can handle graphic tasks where ps4 can't, but doesn't mean cpu on ps4 it's weaker in some way. Ps4 cpu it's notable more powerful of cell but spu are just customized to gpu tasks. That's why it's not exactly correct talk of overperforming.
 
If you're going to selectively judge the few ignorant fans that every console has, of course you're going to have such a bitter view of the Nintendo fans. Threads like this one are made to point out Nintendo has been able to create games on Wii U that can keep up with it's more powerful competitors, and it's because of art style and design choices (lighting, framerate etc). Of course it's going to be subjective. The people fighting spec wars are embarrassing and will always be shut down with a 'pc master race' reply.

This

That's not to say some people make informed replies about specs, but those mostly get ignored for typical fanboyism.

AND THIS.
 
Can anyone make comparison of Bayonetta 2 on Wii U and Bayonetta 1 on PS3/Xbox 360? If I recall correctly, B1 has very few aliasing on last-gen consoles. Meanwhile, B2 has some pretty rough aliasing from what I see in screenshot thread.

I could be wrong though.

Bayonetta 2 is a far prettier game than the first. It's hard to go back.
 
If you're going to selectively judge the few ignorant fans that every console has, of course you're going to have such a bitter view of the Nintendo fans. Threads like this one are made to point out Nintendo has been able to create games on Wii U that can keep up with it's more powerful competitors, and it's because of art style and design choices (lighting, framerate etc). Of course it's going to be subjective. The people fighting spec wars are embarrassing and will always be shut down with a 'pc master race' reply.

That's not to say some people make informed replies about specs, but those mostly get ignored for typical fanboyism.

Exactly, Nintendo wasnt able to keep up with the competition with the Wii graphically. They had to go a different route with motion controls.
 
sörine;145464517 said:
My there's a lot of projection coming from you. It's everyone else that's simply wrong and doesn't know what they're talking about. It's everyone else that's moving the goalposts. It's everyone else with the frustrating bias. It's not a clear pattern of derailment from a select few, it's an honest difference of opinion and sincere discourse. Everyone else is The Troll.

Oh how the world must look through your eyes.

Probably you have to read its post in this thread about me. I'm serious. He spent most of the time to downplay my opinion and without show a real interest of what I'm saying. At the end, I have disagred of your idea of overperform in the cpu matter and I'm tried to explain more than a time what's my though, nothing more.
But your post it's an interesting way to resume my previous discussion.
 
I don’t really find Wii-U games particularly amazing looking, but they are very appealing aesthetically. They are delivering visually what I expect from the hardware. I am more amazed at the performance a lot of the exclusive games run at. I don’t find Smash that impressive looking for example, but the fact that it’s holding 1080p/60fps with all manner shit happening is highly impressive. 3D World also runs amazingly from what I tried, and recall from the Digital Foundry article.
 
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