Saint Gregory
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So the state senator sued the NCAA and the state university and part of the settlement is to restore the defendant's vacated wins?
I hope I get sued more often :/
NCAA restores Paterno's vacated wins
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So the state senator sued the NCAA and the state university and part of the settlement is to restore the defendant's vacated wins?
I hope I get sued more often :/
Orbis Tabula
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So, if you're a college football program, you can't pay your students to play football for you...with money. But what if they started rewarding the good players with young, nubile, naive children? Would that be cool with the NCAA?
Hasphat'sAnts
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If you take away my vidya for a year. I will shank you.
perfectchaos007
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If the University went public about the child rape when it happened, that would have hurt recruiting. By sweeping this under the rug, prospective recruits had no idea what was going on
Out of the 120+ fanbases, only one fanbase is okay with this.
Though on the other hand, if you look at Penn State's recruiting since this happened, it's actually been pretty much the same, if not better, then during the later Paterno years. To be frank, it seems like 16/17 year old high school football players just don't care.
Saint Gregory
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Well the idea is that he gave his school a competitive advantage during those years by protecting the child molester and the program from punishment. They were winning with scholarships and student athletes that they most likely would have lost during the scandal, just like what happened when the story finally broke.
I'd bet that they were protected by their high school coaching staffs from child rapists and therefore don't understand the impact.
Well, clearly Penn State fans don't care.
Let it be known to would-be future rape cover-uppers: the cover-up is worse than the--er, wait. I mean, don't bother covering it up, because no one cares anyway.
Don't think for one second that if this were to have happened at any other school that you wouldn't have seen similar results.
Reminder:
USC is not allowed to acknowledge Reggie Bush's existence at all.
They literally had to recon him out of existence as part of their punishment because he got some extra money to go to the NFL faster. Penn State is still allowed to acknowledge wins that came about as a result of a cover up of child rape.
Nobody is at the cult-level of Penn State. Even Tom Osborne couldn't get elected as governor in Nebraska.
USC is not allowed to acknowledge Reggie Bush's existence at all.
They literally had to recon him out of existence as part of their punishment because he got some extra money to go to the NFL faster. Penn State is still allowed to acknowledge wins that came about as a result of a cover up of child rape.
Nobody is at the cult-level of Penn State. Even Tom Osborne couldn't get elected as governor in Nebraska.
I'm not sure hearing that a former assistant coach was in trouble for raping children would matter much to prospects. The sad thing is that accusations like these are hard to investigate even while done properly.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/09/24/in-plain-view
Even the state of PA had no idea and was placing children in this guys home.
TarpitCarnivore
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No other program in the the United States has the cult following Penn State has with Paterno.
Kind of hard to not place kids in the guys home when they don't know about his actions
Future PhaZe
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i mean
i cant even put into words how deeply disappointed in this I am
I LOVE watching college athletics, but I simply CANNOT abide by this
I'm so fucking sad.
i cant even put into words how deeply disappointed in this I am
I LOVE watching college athletics, but I simply CANNOT abide by this
I'm so fucking sad.
Saint Gregory
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I'm sure that things would have been different had Paterno been the one visiting prospective Penn State athlete's homes and explaining to their parents why he let a child molester sit on his staff for all those years. That never happened so we'll never know if it would have had an impact but it's easy to see the benefit to Paterno for keeping his mouth shut.
No, that was actually the subject of the lawsuit. A state senator sued to have them be used only in Pennsylvania, and as part of this settlement that's what will happen.
Ah ok, thanks for the clarification.
timetokill
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Fixed for you.
Makes that piece of shit Paterno the winningest college football coach again.
timetokill
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Reggie Bush summed it up pretty well:
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
NCAA is the worst. THE WORST.
Scanning the ESPN comment section, delusional alums have the dumbest excuses. Some of my favs:
**"But Sandusky wasn't on Paterno's staff at the time!" This seems to be the most popular response. He actually was on the staff.
**"Paterno found out and reported it!" IIRC, he reported it to his superior at the college, and he knew full well it would be covered up.
**"Paterno never admitted he knew about it!" Yeah, he actually said he wished he had done MORE when he found out.
**"Paterno never had anything to do with it! He shouldn't be penalized!" It happened under his watch. He should absolutely be penalized.
The Penn State alumnus group is the absolute most delusional, insane group of college grads I've ever seen. It's disgusting.
Scanning the ESPN comment section, delusional alums have the dumbest excuses. Some of my favs:
**"But Sandusky wasn't on Paterno's staff at the time!" This seems to be the most popular response. He actually was on the staff.
**"Paterno found out and reported it!" IIRC, he reported it to his superior at the college, and he knew full well it would be covered up.
**"Paterno never admitted he knew about it!" Yeah, he actually said he wished he had done MORE when he found out.
**"Paterno never had anything to do with it! He shouldn't be penalized!" It happened under his watch. He should absolutely be penalized.
The Penn State alumnus group is the absolute most delusional, insane group of college grads I've ever seen. It's disgusting.
I'd sure like to see how that helps the marketing:
"Penn State: Home of the NCAA's Winningest Enabler of Child Molestation"
Seriously, why fight for wins? Let it go and move past that era.
perfectchaos007
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I hate people. I really fucking do.
Reggie Bush summed it up pretty well:
:jnc
Saint Gregory
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I'm all for the statue being re-erected just so long as the artist creates a 2nd statue of a pile of abused children to serve as the new base.
Future PhaZe
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the fact that i'm defending why I'm so upset to my peers is fucking depressing
tiggerkiddo
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NCAA is a joke and will always be a joke.
Lmao. Fucking joke.
HalfBakedProphet
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Reggie Bush summed it up pretty well:
Omg at some of the responses...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WtOPacnjxLU
It was disgusting from the get-go when Penn State didn't get the death penalty. SMU got it in 1987 for "complete lack of institutional control". Even if Paterno "didn't know", hello?!
Now - a program can get in more trouble if the power forward gets a pair of sneakers from an alumnus than if a serial child rapist is using the program and college facilities to get more victims. Heck, there were reports Sandusky wasn't alone in his actions but that got covered up too.
Now - a program can get in more trouble if the power forward gets a pair of sneakers from an alumnus than if a serial child rapist is using the program and college facilities to get more victims. Heck, there were reports Sandusky wasn't alone in his actions but that got covered up too.
enanogrande
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What would be the consequence of applying the Death Penalty to Penn State? More specifically, what would be the Academic consequence (if any) to the Death Penalty?
I’m not too well versed on the subject, but its my understanding that the Football programs of some Universities are so large and generate so much profit that they pretty much subsidize the rest of the school - if they were to disappear, so would the school.
Obviously Penn State is a respected institution on Academic merits alone (needless to say “respected” doesn't really apply to this Institution, but I digress), so It’s highly doubtful to me that the school as a whole relies on it’s Football program - but would its shuttering (even for a couple of years) negatively affect the academic side of the institution at all?
EDIT: I posted this after reading the first 6 pages of the thread. I'm going to continue reading the rest, but if what I'm asking in this post has already been answered/discussed in the pages I'm about to read... Sorry xD
I’m not too well versed on the subject, but its my understanding that the Football programs of some Universities are so large and generate so much profit that they pretty much subsidize the rest of the school - if they were to disappear, so would the school.
Obviously Penn State is a respected institution on Academic merits alone (needless to say “respected” doesn't really apply to this Institution, but I digress), so It’s highly doubtful to me that the school as a whole relies on it’s Football program - but would its shuttering (even for a couple of years) negatively affect the academic side of the institution at all?
EDIT: I posted this after reading the first 6 pages of the thread. I'm going to continue reading the rest, but if what I'm asking in this post has already been answered/discussed in the pages I'm about to read... Sorry xD
Penn State University would survive without football.
enanogrande
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Yes, I don't doubt that. I was looking for a more detailed answer (one that I understand might not be possible to get) - Would they have less funding for Research projects? Would they have to cut back on awarding certain scholarships? In essence, would the Academic side survive unscathed or would there be some consequences - and how big/small might these consequences be?
davepoobond
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Rape, too.
I think the academic side would be fine but it would hurt the other sports. Usually football and maybe basketball is profitable so they help fund the other athletic events. Without football they might have to cut other programs.
Pandora012
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It might cause some issues. Penn State does generate a lot of revenue because of it's football. Though, because of how the University is situated in the community of State College. The area around would most likely pay the price of the 'death penalty.' As a student at Penn State I'd rather not think of the consequences to the academic part of the University, because I fear how much the football program is relied on.
sports may be impacted. Research would not, those grants come from the government.
Randolph Freelander
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Right, football and (to a lesser but still significant extent) basketball revenues drive the funding for athletic budgets. Without those revenues, other sports would be in jeopardy.
Not wanting to speak in ignorance, I will not say that no school depends on athletic revenue to support the school in general, but I would certainly expect that to be the exception rather than the rule. My basic understanding is that most athletic departments are operating on razor thin margins, particularly once you get out of power 5 conferences with the large television contracts (and even some power 5 schools still do poorly).
Edit: That said, high level college football helps draw attention to the university and whatever benefits that entails. So a loss of football for any length of time could have impact on the school indirectly.
Michael F. Assbender
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Exhibit 9,562,751 on why the NCAA is a fucking joke.
perfectchaos007
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The NCAA is spearheaded by hypocritical, nonsensical, agenda driven sleazeballs that have made some of the most irrational decisions in their history. However, the handling of the Penn State case should be "Exhibit A" on why the NCAA is a joke organization.
enanogrande
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Yeah, this is the type of thing I was wondering about.
Just trying to figure out in my mind a bit the NCAAs decision making process with regards to punishments like this (Or, more precisely, the decision making process a fictional Collegiate Athletic ruling body - one that was truly interested in something apart from profits and ratings - would partake in).
Maybe, with the way NCAA Football has evolved over the years (specifically with the rise in both popularity and Revenue) the Death Penalty might have become too strong a punishment to apply if it somehow also implicates the "Death" of other aspects of the University. Obviously a perfect situation would be one where the Death Penalty wouldnt negatively affect anything else, so that there would be no reason to think twice about using it - although, an argument could also be made that a bit of colateral damage to other aspects of the University are an intended effect of the Death Penalty, so as to make the punishment as painful and severe as possible.
Anyways, just theorizing a bit here. Its a bit Off-Topic, but its something that came to mind reading through the thread. To comment a bit more on the actual topic at hand, this is an absurd decision that basically leaves the organization unpunished.
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