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TikTok has shut down in the US (UP: TikTok is in the process of restoring service in the US)

Thaimasker

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ChuckeRearmed said:
They had the opportunity to repeal Obamacare but McCain - after years of campaigning against it - just blocked the repeal. Now it is close to impossible to fix it due to it being a politically suicidal topic ("he is taking away the health care!"). Obamacare created a huge regulatory barrier but there is no way out for a time being. But the chance to repeal it was 8 years. Not anymore.
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If they had a replacement plan to actually make it more accessible, then no it wouldn't be suicidal.
Trump has said that countries with universal Healthcare have much better Healthcare than us... If he was to propose that, no one would think he is trying to just take something away.
In reality, Trump has concepts of a plan since 2016.. Which means no plan other than repel.
To say the time was 8 years ago is false but even if it were true, it shows how fucked we are legislatively. Can't get basic Healthcare rights.

Sell Americans on a plan to replace it first. Some politicians have shown something.
 
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ChuckeRearmed

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Thaimasker said:
If they had a replacement plan to actually make it more accessible, then no it wouldn't be suicidal.
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It would be because regardless of replacement people enmasse would treat it as if "he is trying to take away our health care". Repealing Obamacare is not even a topic in a political discourse. So it is over. It is generating tons of debt, but it is what it is.

Thaimasker said:
Sell Americans on a plan to replace it first. Some politicians have shown something.
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Fundamental issue with centralized healthcare system is that it never works long term. We see it across the board with european countries, commonwealth etc. It requires a perpetual money printer and a relatively small population. Otherwise it leads to queues, decline in quality, debt and so on.
 
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Cyberpunkd said:
Huawei got banned because it’s not a good idea your IT infrastructure is built and maintained by a company with links to the Chinese Army, just how naive can you be?
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Huawei phones and Network equipment are still available and used around the world. I guess other governments just don't care about getting spied on?
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ChuckeRearmed said:
Varies by country. In a lot of cases countries do not even have the alternative due to price and availability.
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So countries are going to pass on national security because it's expensive to switch network gear. Got it. India is sending unmanned rockets to the moon while millions (billions?) live in squalor. Your excuse isn't flying.
 
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Thaimasker

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ChuckeRearmed said:
It would be because regardless of replacement people enmasse would treat it as if "he is trying to take away our health care". Repealing Obamacare is not even a topic in a political discourse. So it is over. It is generating tons of debt, but it is what it is.


Fundamental issue with centralized healthcare system is that it never works long term. We see it across the board with european countries, commonwealth etc. It requires a perpetual money printer and a relatively small population. Otherwise it leads to queues, decline in quality, debt and so on.
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Trump mentioned replacing it last year, as did the speaker of the house. And many dems aswell. In fact, isn't it in the supreme court right now? What are you even talking about??

Japan's system is working 1000% better than ours in the long term. They have over 100 million people. The quality hasn't decreased.
And they've had it since the 1960's.

You're just making excuses.

If it weren't for lobbyists bribing our politicians , we could have it right now.
 
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My take as someone who has never used tiktok is that the "tiktok is evil/spying/corrupting" is just the 3rd red scare. You all sound like people in the past claiming rock n roll was devil music.
People want to fixate on this to not think about all the stuff the American government and American companies do to us.
 
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8bitpill

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I'm sure this was posted and talked about already in here, but Trump was the one to sign off of the TikTok ban back in 2020.

Trump Signs Executive Order That Will Effectively Ban Use Of TikTok In the U.S.

He is just playing the long game. His PR team are making an effort to win over the younger generation.

Take their toys away, but be the person that gives them back.

Welcome to the Clown show kids,

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DownLikeBCPowder

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8bitpill said:
I'm sure this was posted and talked about already in here, but Trump was the one to sign off of the TikTok ban back in 2020.

Trump Signs Executive Order That Will Effectively Ban Use Of TikTok In the U.S.

He is just playing the long game. His PR team are making an effort to win over the younger generation.

Take their toys away, but be the person that gives them back.

Welcome to the Clown show kids,

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Again, if you would do even an iota of research (including reading the thread you are posting in) you would find that the goal of that executive order was to require Tiktok's parent company to house data on US customers within the US. This was complied with and Oracle houses the data after that point.

This ban was shuffled into a foreign aid bill to the tune of about 80 billion dollars, 60 billion of which went to Ukraine, so it was mostly a Ukraine aid bill. This bill was signed into effect by Joe Biden during his administration. This is the legislation that Trump is extending, not to be confused with the earlier efforts which were mostly resolved (in terms of housing the data).

And again, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could see this coming. Biden could have stolen this alleged thunder any time. But, please, by all means, continue on. The gif is certainly appropriate, though, I'll give you that.
 
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ReBurn

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Kadve said:
He made a three month stay of execution. After that TikTok will be banned again unless the law is revoked or Bytedance sells to an US company.
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Or unless the government agencies that are responsible for enforcing the law are directed not to enforce it by the head of the executive branch. Then they have up to 4 more years.
 
8bitpill

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DownLikeBCPowder said:
Again, if you would do even an iota of research (including reading the thread you are posting in) you would find that the goal of that executive order was to require Tiktok's parent company to house data on US customers within the US. This was complied with and Oracle houses the data after that point.

This ban was shuffled into a foreign aid bill to the tune of about 80 billion dollars, 60 billion of which went to Ukraine, so it was mostly a Ukraine aid bill. This bill was signed into effect by Joe Biden during his administration. This is the legislation that Trump is extending, not to be confused with the earlier efforts which were mostly resolved (in terms of housing the data).

And again, anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together could see this coming. Biden could have stolen this alleged thunder any time. But, please, by all means, continue on. The gif is certainly appropriate, though, I'll give you that.
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Initially this was brought forward within his first term, and towards the end of it.

Do you have any articles where this was said to be resolved before Biden moving forward last year to sign off on the official ban?

The joke here is how the app was ban and within twenty four hours was brought back, by the new senior citizen that is currently residing within the White House.

So we're clear here, I could care less about a social media app, or what current puppet is in the white house. But the modern day propaganda isn't subtle, but in that statement neither was a majority of propaganda in the past.

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DownLikeBCPowder

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8bitpill said:
Initially this was brought forward within his first term, and at the towards the end of it.

Do you have any articles where this was said to be resolved before Biden moving forward last year to sign off on the official ban?
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This was not resolved last year at all. You are the one that said they were related - not me. I'm really not sure what you mean - you can easily Google when Oracle began housing the data of US customers, but to answer your question it was in 2022 (the resolution). The executive order in question was signed on August 6th of 2020 by then President Trump.

The more recent legislation, the one that is separate and signed by Joe Biden, was signed in 2024. Last year. This is the current and active legislation, the deadline of which is being delayed. This legislation requires at least 50% divestiture of Tiktok to an American company.


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The joke here is how the app was ban and within twenty four hours was brought back, by the new senior citizen that is currently residing within the White House.
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There's no joke. Biden could have done the exact same (extend the ban). Instead he "left it to the incoming administration to handle" explicitly.. so here is the result. It was handled by the incoming administration.

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So we're clear here, I could care less about a social media app, or what current puppet is in the white house. But the modern day propaganda isn't subtle, but in that statement neither was a majority of propaganda in the past.
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Sure isn't!
 
TonberrysKnife

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od-chan said:
I really mean no offense by this, but I'm amazed by some of the stuff I read on here. For some reason I assumed this was the kind of thing I would read on reddit or twitter and somehow surely gaf would be better, right? Really tells you more about me than about the people posting that.
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We can agree to disagree. Which is fine.
 
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Fenix34

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DeafTourette said:
What propaganda? Be specific... Because I saw nothing about China or communism and each account I followed were people teaching ASL, Spanish, American history, music, showing different talents .... Etc.
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Tik tok are using china for propaganda.For example looking Romania elections where win prorussian candidate with help of tik tok
www.theguardian.com

Romania regulator calls for TikTok suspension amid vote interference fears

Far-right, pro-Moscow candidate Călin Georgescu came from 5% in polls to win presidential election’s first round
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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Hoddi

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Interesting article that popped up in my timeline. Translation here.

www.zeit.de

Studie: Junge Menschen und TikTok-Nutzer besonders anfällig für Desinformation

Verschwörungserzählungen und ausländische Propaganda sind besonders unter der jungen Bevölkerung verbreitet. Das zeigt eine Studie der Friedrich-Naumann-Stiftung.
www.zeit.de www.zeit.de

Conspiracy theories and foreign propaganda are particularly widespread among young people and TikTok users in the German population. This is shown by a new survey conducted by the Allensbach Institute on behalf of the Friedrich Naumann Foundation. 2,000 people of all ages were surveyed on the topics of Russia, China, vaccinations, climate change and the coronavirus pandemic.

According to the study, 42 percent of those under 29 and 50 percent of TikTok users doubt that Russia is deliberately spreading false information. In the general population, the figure is only 30 percent. In the case of China, 53 percent of those under 29 doubt the spread of false information, while among TikTok users the figure is 59 percent. In the general population, the figure is 42 percent.

Only 78 percent of respondents fully or somewhat agree that Russia is waging a war of aggression against Ukraine that violates international law. Among young people, the figure is 69.7 percent and among TikTok users, 66 percent. In addition, more than a third of all TikTok users in the study believe that Russia has a greater interest in peace in Ukraine than the West. In the general population, 18 percent believe this, and among young people, the figure is 23 percent.

Around 81 percent of respondents agreed with the question of whether China is a dictatorship. In the group of under-29s, the figure is only 67 percent, and among TikTok users, 61.7 percent. According to the survey, almost 30 percent of Germans believe that the autocratic Chinese government system is "more efficient and successful" than Western democracies. Among TikTok users, this figure is 42 percent.
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DownLikeBCPowder

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Fenix34 said:
Because you are for trump
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I never said that once in the thread. Just another allegation you've tossed out there, presumably on some feeling you have. I did, however, refute your low information claims. You should consider your stance: you're seemingly of the mind that Tiktok is partaking in election interference in Romania - perhaps so, perhaps not. My point is that American companies are taking part in this for sure. Is Tiktok as well? Probably. But you seem pretty blind to any possibility other than the "big bad" of Tiktok.

Here's some reading on Meta, but you can easily find much more if you can see past the Russian tinted spectacles you've donned.


www.technologyreview.com

She risked everything to expose Facebook. Now she’s telling her story.

Sophie Zhang, a former data scientist at Facebook, revealed that it enables global political manipulation and has done little to stop it.
www.technologyreview.com www.technologyreview.com

It's pretty telling that in response you simply suggest someone is a Russian agent. This tells me a lot about where your mind is in terms of your opinions. We'll have to agree to disagree, because it's getting off topic and I'm not looking to get iced by EviLore.
 
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StreetsofBeige

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WASHINGTON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday signed an executive order seeking to delay by 75 days the enforcement of a ban of popular short-video app TikTok that was slated to be shuttered on Jan. 19.
The order directs the attorney general to not enforce the law "to permit my administration an opportunity to determine the appropriate course of action with respect to TikTok."

It also directs the Justice Department to issue letters to companies like Apple (AAPL.O), opens new tab, Alphabet's <GOOGL.O> Google and Oracle (ORCL.N), opens new tab that work with TikTok "stating that there has been no violation of the statute and that there is no liability for any conduct that occurred during the above-specified period."

When asked what TikTok order does, Trump said "just gave me the right to sell it or close it," adding that he needed to make a decision.
 
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StreetsofBeige said:

WASHINGTON, Jan 20 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday signed an executive order seeking to delay by 75 days the enforcement of a ban of popular short-video app TikTok that was slated to be shuttered on Jan. 19.
The order directs the attorney general to not enforce the law "to permit my administration an opportunity to determine the appropriate course of action with respect to TikTok."

It also directs the Justice Department to issue letters to companies like Apple (AAPL.O), opens new tab, Alphabet's <GOOGL.O> Google and Oracle (ORCL.N), opens new tab that work with TikTok "stating that there has been no violation of the statute and that there is no liability for any conduct that occurred during the above-specified period."

When asked what TikTok order does, Trump said "just gave me the right to sell it or close it," adding that he needed to make a decision.
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How fast Trump moved... It even seems like they scared him away and panicked him 😂
 
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It's the first foreign made app that has truly brought U.S. social media and big media in general to its knees. There's a reason why there is bipartisan support to remove it (its the money), and all of U.S. tech/big media would rejoice.

I think it should remain banned - not just because of chinese spying, but for the health of american companies we all have a stake in.
 
DownLikeBCPowder

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FullMetalx117 said:
It's the first foreign made app that has truly brought U.S. social media and big media in general to its knees. There's a reason why there is bipartisan support to remove it (its the money), and all of U.S. tech/big media would rejoice.

I think it should remain banned - not just because of chinese spying, but for the health of american companies we all have a stake in.
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Wait - we should ban them because they are.. successful and pose a competitive threat to American companies? This should be the last rationale used in the United States. What!

There may be legitimate concerns, but banning so that domestic companies can continue business as usual is an awful one, at least in my opinion.

Side note: "big media" deserves to be on their knees. They have failed to have any level of objectivity, lied, and more.
 
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DownLikeBCPowder said:
Wait - we should ban them because they are.. successful and pose a competitive threat to American companies? This should be the last rationale used in the United States. What!

There may be legitimate concerns, but banning so that domestic companies can continue business as usual is an awful one, at least in my opinion.

Side note: "big media" deserves to be on their knees. They have failed to have any level of objectivity, lied, and more.
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Ironically, it's the same rationale people use to criticize offshoring jobs or having an immigrant take their job. Offshoring/immigration is in the spirit of free markets, capitalism, and efficiency. But no one wants to have their job taken.
 
DownLikeBCPowder

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FullMetalx117 said:
Ironically, it's the same rationale people use to criticize offshoring jobs or having an immigrant take their job. Offshoring/immigration is in the spirit of free markets, capitalism, and efficiency. But no one wants to have their job taken.
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To some degree. The real question is why is offshoring of the jobs so beneficial to the companies? Some of the reasons for that are not something that we can change, but many of them are self inflicted disadvantages.
 
DragoonKain

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Does any aspect of TikTok offices operate in the US? If not, what would happen if they just ignored the law and kept it online? Usually when someone ignores a court order or law, there are legal consequences. If all the offices are abroad, then nothing could happen to them, no? All the US could do would be to impose sanctions on China or whatever or try to pressure them to pressure ByteDance in other ways to take it down, right? And obviously force the app stores to take it down.
 
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