Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.
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Seems like a simple typo or wrong dollar value.
Well, for one thing you bumped it with your post.
CosmicQueso
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It is anti-consumer. If the charging could be done by a micro USB, for example, then no problem. But this is a proprietary charging system.
Nintendo does not need to burn, but they also don't need to thrive with policies like this.
Finally, the best way for a business to make money is to delight consumers. Is the saving of a buck in cost of goods worth inconveniencing the consumer?
Apparently Nintendo thinks so. Nintendo thinks that a dollar to them is more important than any inconvenience to a particular customer. That's what they think of us with this decision.
Go ahead, support them if you want.
They'll need all the help they can get.
The problem is, no one can actually say they were never going to charge $210 for the console with charger included, simply because Nintendo have never indicated they wouldn't. No one actually knows the internal talks at Nintendo. You can choose not to believe Nintendo's reason for the change if you like, but no one can say with any kind of certainty that anything other than what happened could have happened. This speculation is utterly pointless and a waste of energy.
The best way you all can fight the price of the console and adaptor is to just not buy the thing until the entire package costs $200. Or just not buy it at all. It's up to you.
Either way, I was fine with the price of the 3DS and charger here in Japan so I bought one, and man am I enjoying it.
finalflame
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I agree with almost everything you said: anti-consumer, bullshit, nickel-and-diming, stupid decision.
But then you lost me at that last line. This miniature GAF/enthusiast revolt won't actually affect Nintendo in any major way. They've already been doing this in JP and PAL territories for years. They'll be just fine.
CosmicQueso
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It's not a revolt, no one is calling for a boycott.
However, do you really think Nintendo is doing just fine? Particularly the dedicated handheld market?? Sales have been in sharp decline for years now.
Mobile is killing this market faster than anything like a charger inclusion.
finalflame
Banned
Not particularly well, no. I agree that 3DS hardware sales have had a sharp decline over 2013. I guess all I can do is hope that the dedicated handheld does not get killed off by mobile gaming, because I absolutely detest the idea of that happening.
I truly do hope Nintendo steps up its game and the value proposition for the 3DS' successor with consumer friendly moves such as a proper online account system, better hardware specs, and a region-free console. Then again, Vita has all of these things and is doing abysmally.
hahawow so witty hurhurhur
anyways, it's a reasonable move to decouple the two when the charger is common between many models dating back to the DSi and that it's primarily people who already would be in the possession of the charger... doesn't it just lend itself to less wasted product out there? And no I don't think resell value or whatnot should even matter in this discussion, Nintendo isn't here to make sure u get more value when u resell ur console...
Contracting and killing are different things. The charger, stupid as this whole affair is and excluding it being a stupid move, means very little in the whole scheme of things. In fact that contracting market is likely why they are trying to maximize profit on the N3DS... there's just not much of a market out for it anymore. Its old, its dated, and this is a stop-gap.
The moves regarding this, the N3DS, show that they have little to no confidence in the device selling to anyone but enthusiasts. NoA, or NCL with regards to NA, currently has very little enthusiasm about the market here with regards to the 3DS.
Also, to top it all off, the contracts around the proprietary hardware and making the 3DS have to use some obscure powering source, costs them money to produce, package, and deal with when they could just use micro-usb, not have to worry about contracts, and not have to worry about packaging anything more than a tiny usb cable if at all.
Hardware wise, Nintendo is being paramountly stupid.
Software wise, Nintendo is giving us not-100$+ Prime, cross-buy, and cross-promotions... finally.
I swear the company is Jeckel and Hyde.
I can't believe people are boiling it down to "Don't blame Nintendo for wanting to make extra Cash" and "People are pissed they have to spend a extra $10" No its a company not shipping a bloody proprietary charger WHICH IS REQUIRED in order to charge your system. I swear if Sony/Microsoft did this the fourms would be in outcry calling for blood. But because Nintendo is "Down on their luck" they shouldn't be blamed for trying to make a few extra bucks. Poor Nintendo we should all dump our pockets on their feet for even gracing us with the choice to buy their system.
Am I going to far? I really don't know I'm alittle amazed that people are ok with this. This isn't DLC or content on the Disk being held back for a expansion which almost 95% of people are disgusted by. This is aproprietary charger not being shipped with a system! And there are people who are ok with this or have the attitude have "Well I have heaps of chargers so who cares!"
Excuse me for going off I think this the last time I reply to this thread.
Am I going to far? I really don't know I'm alittle amazed that people are ok with this. This isn't DLC or content on the Disk being held back for a expansion which almost 95% of people are disgusted by. This is aproprietary charger not being shipped with a system! And there are people who are ok with this or have the attitude have "Well I have heaps of chargers so who cares!"
Excuse me for going off I think this the last time I reply to this thread.
The VITA.
But I wasn't around to tell you if it was the same response to it shipping without a memory card, proprietary... being effectively worthless.
Or the X360 and its proprietary video cables not being included.
Or the PS3 and not including an HDMI cable. (Fortunately this one isn't proprietary.)
All of the companies have been pulling bullshit at some point or another. This doesn't excuse it, mind.
Stealthcobra
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Mobile killing the handheld market... That may be true but for those people i think its stupid. I hate mobile gaming they are all money grabs that are shallow in content... Plus touch screen controls, i just hate them.. There arent any mobile games that are satisfying like a 3ds or vita game
None of those are equivalent because you don't require them for your several hundred dollar electronic device to actually function.
The closest is the Vita, and I don't need to tell you how well that worked out for Sony.
Yes, you do. They all had backlash and they all changed later... well sort of, they still don't ship the Vita with a memory card but at least it has *some* built in space.
Not sure how you plan on using a several hundred electronic device when either it can't: save anything or output video. The whole point of what I typed out was to show the poster I quoted that these things did happen from said companies and that, indeed, there was backlash. I just wasn't around the community back then to say how or what the scale of the reaction was...
I'm not trying to excuse Nintendo's stupidity.
In fact... doesn't this look oddly familiar: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/08/27/microsoft-dropping-hdmi-cable-gives-xbox-360-consumers-flexibi/ Same exact bullshit. I have to wonder, judging by some of the reactions in this thread, if people didn't at that time sell off all of their X360 hardware, software, and scorn buying anything ever again from the company. Somehow... I doubt it though.
Complex Shadow
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Yeah. I know. I was just having a little fun. =P
CosmicQueso
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HDMI cables are universal. If the new 3DS took micro USB or some other non proprietary input then this probably wouldn't be anywhere near as big a deal.
Did it still come with a power cord? Pretty sure it had a power cord included. Better comparison i reckon.
The Slim 360 was
Oh wait, their AV was proprietary, durp. My mistake. The AV audio output was proprietary and blocked the HDMI.
So... actually, yes, it was whole sale stupid bullshit same as here.
329? You sure you're not looking at an import from Japan?
That 360 model still came with a RCA connector, right?
If so, it's still not really comparable. One is an incomplete device (Already pretty bad), the other is an incomplete device that you literally can't use.
Sure seems like you are.
Complex Shadow
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It's a typo.
faceless007
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It needs to be repeated: the rationale that "most people would already be in possession of a charger" is quite simply an unreasonable assumption to make, for the simple reason that most people in possession of an older DS/3DS system are very likely to sell or trade it in order to subsidize the purchase of the n3DS and will usually have to include the old charger to do so. So the only ways a customer would not have to buy another charger are if they 1) plan on keeping 2 different Nintendo handhelds around simultaneously, one of which plays all the games of the other anyway, or 2) have previously purchased an additional charger for some reason and therefore has a spare that they don't mind getting rid of.
Does anyone really think these two groups forms more than a marginal fraction of the people likely to purchase a n3DS? I'll readily admit, I'm still keeping my DSi XL so I'm in the first group and this doesn't affect me. But I also know that I'm a collector and most people don't see a need to keep two dedicated gaming handhelds around, especially not in the age of smartphones.
Does anyone really think these two groups forms more than a marginal fraction of the people likely to purchase a n3DS? I'll readily admit, I'm still keeping my DSi XL so I'm in the first group and this doesn't affect me. But I also know that I'm a collector and most people don't see a need to keep two dedicated gaming handhelds around, especially not in the age of smartphones.
Are you talking about the 360E? 'Cause I'm definitely getting audio via HDMI with my 360S.
Mhmm, it came with RCA... just as the 3DS comes with a charged battery. Its certainly there and its certainly useless.
But none of these things are excusable or less bad than the other aside from making arbitrary distinctions. The 3DS is as useful to me without a charger as the ESlim was without HD output unless I went out and bought a new TV/adaptor as I don't live in the pre-1990s.
Nope. I simply don't go into extremes of scorching the earth over stupidity of companies, selling off all my hardware, and then scorning them.
I'm not sure how this is a good comparison when a RCA cord lasts for more than an hour.
Why do you give a shit when other people decide to do these things? You're not their mother. If they want to sell their Nintendo hardware and Mario body pillows, that's their choice. It's not like people are required to buy or own Nintendo products.
Yes to both. All chargers output the same 5v, so as long as you use a charger designed for local voltage (US charger in US), or a USB charger anywhere, you'll be fine.
Nintendo should have shipped with a USB charging cable. Much cheaper for them, and more people these days will have a charger with a USB slot - either for their phones, or a computer or even their TV. Plus it is more practical for travel use as their normal charger isn't worldwide voltage (seriously, how cheap are they? Portable device, can't charge it if you go abroad on holiday )
Look at the rest of what I said, the RCA was entirely useless as I had nothing to connect it to.
I'm not protecting anyone from anything. I am pointing out what I find to be ironic.
Pancakes R Us
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Although I'm not for the adaptor being removed, I'm a little surprised at the reaction. I don't remember anything like this level of uproar in Europe when it happened a few years ago.
There was an uproar in Europe. It's just that it's now forgotten as the thing has been accepted.
What are you talking about? On the Slim 360 you use HDMI for video/audio or HDMI for Video and Optical for audio. All of which is based on industry standards. On the E model, they dumped the optical output and replaced it with a proprietary connection, but also included that cable.
My package came with RCA plug that blocked HDMI when used. The only way to hook up my audio system to the thing was to break the plastic on their RCA plug, voiding its warranty obviously, and remove the block. Otherwise I had to buy their "audio adapter". And obviously HDMI didn't come in the box but that's standard, even though I still had to go and buy one for it.
Christopher
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Ok who cares about your audio system? I'm plugging my 3ds In the wall.
Your Xbox packages came with the essentials to make it run on a television.
Indeed it did, in name only though as I wasn't about to run a 200$ HD console on composite. (Technically not, since my system does not have composite video inputs but whatever.)
But I'll concede the point, I was a bit hasty in it all and it does still have an HDMI out, even if it wasn't usable to its fullest (or, really at all) for my given configuration without physical intervention against the blockade that Microsoft had created to make you buy a proprietary adapter.
Christopher
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If you don't want to include the micro sd card fine save me money!
But the plug that activates the damn thing....
But the plug that activates the damn thing....
I don't get why people keep complaining about this.
Seriously, just buy a travel adaptor if you want to charge your N3DS XL.
At least they aren't using a new charger, they're using the same cord.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004TTNTYW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
$6.35 k bye.
Seriously, just buy a travel adaptor if you want to charge your N3DS XL.
At least they aren't using a new charger, they're using the same cord.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004TTNTYW/?tag=neogaf0e-20
$6.35 k bye.
Funyarinpa
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A question to apologists and to those who "do not get it":
If you love a console so much that you just buy another iteration of it which plays 99% the same games, then wouldn't you be able to cope with having an extra charger around (for which you didn't pay much in the first place)?
If you love a console so much that you just buy another iteration of it which plays 99% the same games, then wouldn't you be able to cope with having an extra charger around (for which you didn't pay much in the first place)?
Calamari41
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I would probably lose the extra charger before too long, in that I would put it away somewhere and then forget that it even exists much less where I put it.
I went from DS lite to 3DS (DS lite has different adaptor), 3DS to 3DS XL, (sold my 3ds), and 3ds XL to nXL (selling my xl too).
So I ended up with most of the 3ds systems... yet somehow end up with -1 AC adaptor by the end.
Where the hell are people getting so many ac adaptors from?
So I ended up with most of the 3ds systems... yet somehow end up with -1 AC adaptor by the end.
Where the hell are people getting so many ac adaptors from?
Jazzy Network
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It's GAF. Most of them probably bought every revision since they are such huge Nintendo fans.
TheSlySoul
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Because shut up.
Honestly I do not get the logic. I have the original 3ds and upgraded to XL. So I only have 2 cords. If I trade in my 3DS, I am back to 1.
Japanmanx3
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Its a worldwide standard. They aren't going to reverse it.
canedaddy
Member
It's not a standard in the biggest consumer market in the world. In fact it's unheard of.
i mean, i bought most of them too... but I sold the ones I don't use.
I mean, i feel like the only scenario where one would have a bunch of a/c adaptors is if you buy a bunch of LE consoles... which is obviously the niche of the niche.
Or I guess if you are going from dsi/xl to n3ds. which seems like a pretty small sample of people. But then the 3ds can play all ds games... so I expect people would pawn off their old system, or pass it down to a sibling or cousin, who'd need the a/c adaptor.
TLDR: just seems like a flimsy excuse for obvious cost cutting.
Petrae
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Brian★;148127243 said:
It's an unlicensed third-party item that invalidates the warranty on your $200 purchase, should any power problems occur. You then have to go through HDE to try and get your $200 back, or another N3DS unit.
And again, apologists miss the fucking point about power supplies being included in handhelds for more than a decade before Nintendo's current cost-cutting/profit-taking campaign, which comes as Nintendo is coincidentally enduring its most difficult financial period in a long time. Nintendo isn't saving consumers any money here; it's saving itself money AND putting itself in a position to make more money by selling a mandatory accessory at an astronomical markup.
But again: With apologists disguised as consumers fighting these battles for video game companies, this is the video game industry we all deserve. If we not only approve of-- but actively defend-- these business decisions, then we really can't blame companies for nickel-and-diming us. They're just doing what we say is perfectly acceptable for them to do.
canedaddy
Member
Sad but true. It doesn't bode well.
Mistake
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A little late, but thanks for the info. I think I'll wait a bit longer then to make a decision.
Japanmanx3
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I mean with Nintendo and how they've handled it the past couple of years in there territories besides the US. I'm not a fan of it personally but I was not surprised nor supremely thrown off about it. I'm sure this example has been given but I compare it to the fact that PS3/4 controllers no longer come with charge/sync cables. They haven't for a while. I think that's dumb but I get why... To many of those cords in the wild to justify it on their end. Fine. It's true. I have plenty of those around. There are plenty of DSi to 3DSXL chargers out there since they are all the same since most have updated at one point or another. Would it be convenient to still have another charger offered in the box? Yes! Am I tripping because it's not? No. They are cheap and I have one already. And just like those people that find a way to charge their PS3/4 controller (with either their OG cord that came with the console, one they bout separately, or some unofficial one, or a charging station) they find a way instead of complaining. The same will happen in this scenario as well.
velvet_nitemare
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Except the Ps3/4 charging cables are not proprietary like the 3DS adaptors.