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[freethought]

Well, I guess the suspension of disbelief would be that Snake never knew what Big Boss looked like in his 50s. After all, he's in his 70s in MG1. However, how he appears in MGS4 suggests that it shouldn't be a stretch to see the likeness in Solidus and Big Boss. Another excuse could be Snake was out in the middle of Alaska raising sled dogs.

See I considered the 'cut-off in Alaska' argument, but am I wrong in thinking that Snake shows pretty up-to-date knowledge of recent political developments both in the briefings and the many, many codec calls.

Really, it was a fun little sting on the end of MGS1 and he spun it into Solidus in MGS2, who was fantastic so who gives a shit if it makes no sense. Half of 4 and all of Peace Walker make no sense. The decision to keep giving Otacon horrible plot lines makes no sense. The fact that Snake still hasn't replaced his stealth camo by MGS4 makes no sense. I mean, really I'm not exactly busy but I'm afraid if I keep going I'll never stop.

Like, what the hell are the beauties actually doing when they get out of their suits? Why does a military cargo ship have a fully stocked lounge and bar? How come all the characters know Snake is being controlled by someone but never ask him about it? Why hasn't Kojima ever made games based on other John Carpenter films? We couldn't get a They Live game?

 

[The Silver]

Solidus looking like BB would be on the level of "celebrity totally looks like this other celebrity" we see on the internet.

Solid didn't know about clones, and patriots, and all that crazy shit, what do you expect him to do if he notices clean cut, two eyes in his head younger looking Solidus looks a lot like BB who I burned to death? He'd shrug and move on.

 

[John Kowalski]

I'm in the "Snake doesn't read the news" camp.

 

[Alienous]

Big Boss' physical appearance and existence was classified. His story was only declassified in the lead up to MGS4. So outside of Solid Snake, Miller, Liquid and Ocelot (or people that had actually met Big Boss) it wouldn't be public knowledge that Solidus bears any resemble to anyone else.

A) Snake was "Holed up in Alaska, drinking too much" for the entirety of his presidency

B) His look is identical to an older Big Boss, but he has no eye patch and a differently styled beard. You would be amazed how much a simple cosmetic change can affect the way a person is perceived, Solid and Liquid being a good example with their differing hair colors and styles. Solidus was also cosmetically altered to look older in order to have him be an acceptable candidate for the presidency (alternative explanation is that he aged faster, his older appearance is never explained. But seeing as how he is actually younger than Solid or Liquid, who are too young to legally become president themselves, it makes sense that they'd make Solidus look older). But yeah, different hair/beard/wrinkles make him look different enough from Solid or even BB.

C) If someone who looked a kind of or even a lot like you became president, would you really care? You might bat an eye and say "hey, that's kind of weird/cool" but I doubt you'd make a huge deal about it.

 

[freethought]

Big Boss' physical appearance was mostly classified. His story was only declassified in the lead up to MGS4.

Where'd he get the booze?

edit: VVVV Including a few newspapers.

 

[Lethe82]

Probably treking miles with his sled dogs to the nearest piss-ant of a town that got supplies air transported in every 3 months.

 

[Bugs Bunny]

Snake doesn't know about the clones until MGS1. If he noticed some resemblance he, just like anyone, would probably brush it off as a minor coincidence.

It's not like he was wearing an eye patch & had a full beard either. Is that really so hard to believe in a game with Cyborg Ninjas?

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Yes, this is exactly what I think.



I would assume that they don't look exactly the same, just very similar, like father and son. But when Solid's accelerated aging kicks in, the differences start becoming more noticeable.

Yeah, even in msg 4 when you put on the "Young Snake" camo mask thing, I remembe thinking they made him look kinda different than BB. BB's face is a little thinner and leaner and kind of "hollow" looking. Solid's is just a bit rounder. Very similar but not quite the same. It's a little tough to judge since its a different console generation but I even thought that a little between MGS2 and 3. Solid in 2 and Naked in 3 have a different face model for sure.

As for the difference between President Sears and BB, I do assume that BB looked a hell of a lot worse at the time Solid knew him than Solidus ever looked in his life. He'd had shrapnel in his face, a body that had been built up, atrophied, and was built up again, a missing eye, prosthetic limbs, plenty of scars and I bet his skin was like old leather. They may have been genetically identical, but I bet they looked pretty different.

 

[Makai]

Solid snake is the kind of guy who doesn't give a fuck about politics.

Yeah he does. He cites UN resolutions and shit.

 

[SargerusBR]

He wore glasses

Agreed. It works for Superman, why not for Solidus?

 

[Imm0rt4l]

It's an oversight plain and simple.

Wow the president of tge united states looks exactly like the guy eho claimed to be my father.

*is briefed on having a twin who is a terrorist, never inquires about george sears looking like big boss.

And all the times that colonel mentions the president he never mentions the uncanny likeness.



If they ever remake mgs1 they might as well address this in some dialogue between snake and the colonel on some "wtf is going on?" Shit.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Solid snake is the kind of guy who doesn't give a fuck about politics.

The head of Philantrophy doesn't care about politics

It's not like he was wearing an eye patch & had a full beard either. Is that really so hard to believe in a game with Cyborg Ninjas?

It's much simpler to see it as an obvious error on the creators part.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

Yeah, even in msg 4 when you put on the "Young Snake" camo mask thing, I remembe thinking they made him look kinda different than BB. BB's face is a little thinner and leaner and kind of "hollow" looking. Solid's is just a bit rounder. Very similar but not quite the same. It's a little tough to judge since its a different console generation but I even thought that a little between MGS2 and 3. Solid in 2 and Naked in 3 have a different face model for sure.

As for the difference between President Sears and BB, I do assume that BB looked a hell of a lot worse at the time Solid knew him than Solidus ever looked in his life. He'd had shrapnel in his face, a body that had been built up, atrophied, and was built up again, a missing eye, prosthetic limbs, plenty of scars and I bet his skin was like old leather. They may have been genetically identical, but I bet they looked pretty different.

Solid and Liquid have slightly higher cheekbones and Solid has a different eye color from Big Boss. Big Boss has blue eyes and Solid has green. Liquid may have blue or green eyes, I'm not sure (blue would work well with him receiving recessive traits, though). But yeah, their facial structure is a tiny bit different.

Solidus' face is 100% identical on a genetic level, but all the other things you mentioned probably make it different enough when all is said and done. Not to mention that their mannerisms are pretty different - Solidus' charisma is a bit more reserved than BB's.

 

[BBboy20]

As for the difference between President Sears and BB, I do assume that BB looked a hell of a lot worse at the time Solid knew him than Solidus ever looked in his life. He'd had shrapnel in his face, a body that had been built up, atrophied, and was built up again, a missing eye, prosthetic limbs, plenty of scars and I bet his skin was like old leather. They may have been genetically identical, but I bet they looked pretty different.

This has been the depiction of him that has been used in the last 16 years. Maybe he really has been augmented that badly before Zanzibar Land but what has been used since MGS1, he looks similar to Sears. Not that it matters in the end because going by the Mt. Snake in 4, they all looked different.

 

[Pinko Marx]

It's an oversight plain and simple.

Wow the president of tge united states looks exactly like the guy eho claimed to be my father.

*is briefed on having a twin who is a terrorist, never inquires about george sears looking like big boss.

And all the times that colonel mentions the president he never mentions the uncanny likeness.



If they ever remake mgs1 they might as well address this in some dialogue between snake and the colonel on some "wtf is going on?" Shit.

He didn't learn Liquid was his twin until sometime during the Shadow Moses incident. In the briefing they do bring up the fact that they look alike, but the twin connection isn't made until later.

And after Shadow Moses Snake is probably too busy traveling the world taking down Metal Gears to care about the now former president.

 

[Raonak]

I guess and he's never seen big boss clean shaven.

 

[silvermember]

The head of Philantrophy doesn't care about politics

It's much simpler to see it as an obvious error on the creators part.

I hope you realize the philantrophy came after mgs1. George Sears was not the president for long after mgs1. The philantrophy would certainly explain why snake knew about solidus in mgs2.

 

[rekameohs]

Not only Snake, but why didn't anyone notice that President Sears looked just like Big Boss, you know, the terrorist who had supposedly just been killed?

 

[Pinko Marx]

Not only Snake, but why didn't anyone notice that President Sears looked just like Big Boss, you know, the terrorist who had supposedly just been killed?

As was stated before, Big Boss' existence was classified info for a long while

 

[oneida]

It's much simpler to see it as an obvious error on the creators part.

and acknowledge a fault in mgs2? have you not watched the video

 

[Alienous]

Not only Snake, but why didn't anyone notice that President Sears looked just like Big Boss, you know, the wanted terrorist?

Big Boss' existence was classified until sometime between MGS2 and MGS4. So it's quite likely that his face wasn't on posters, or his photograph in newspapers.

 

[Pinko Marx]

and acknowledge a fault in mgs2? have you not watched the video

I'm ok with this being an oversight on Kojima's part. Still doesn't make me think any less of MGS2.

 

[BBboy20]

Not only Snake, but why didn't anyone notice that President Sears looked just like Big Boss, you know, the terrorist who had supposedly just been killed?

Most of the world was not aware of John's existence until the Patriots released all his files about him. Most of the world were never aware they were on the brink of extinction beyond the Cuban Missile Crisis until MGS4 and even then most of the information was most likely modified.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

He didn't learn Liquid was his twin until sometime during the Shadow Moses incident. In the briefing they do bring up the fact that they look alike, but the twin connection isn't made until later.

And after Shadow Moses Snake is probably too busy traveling the world taking down Metal Gears to care about the now former president.

I just said he was briefed during shadow moses. And the idea hat snake would simply not care about who solidus is because hes traveling the world, is just dumb. By mgs2 snake knows who solidus is.

Swung and missed.

I hope you realize the philantrophy came after mgs1. George Sears was not the president for long after mgs1. The philantrophy would certainly explain why snake knew about solidus in mgs2.

I didn't miss anything. I'm well aware of when philantrophy was formed, the fact that he formed philantrophy says something.

 

[Firedemon2370]

People keep saying the one phrase answer to Metal Gear problems is "nanomachines", when it should actually be "The Patriots".

Also the origin as to how Solidus was actually cloned is weird. Solid Snake was in his teens in the 80s, yet Solidus was Raiden's commanding officer when Raiden was a child soldier in the 80s. The only way I can think of as the method of Solidus's cloning would be similar to the cloning process in the movie The Island.

 

[oneida]

I'm ok with this being an oversight on Kojima's part. Still doesn't make me think any less of MGS2.

that is totally reasonable. I actually think it's a really good game. but I also think the cult of mgs2 is really funny.

 

[Slayer-33]

Oh my foking god.

 

[Mr.Marston]

I always put it down to Solidus being designed to age much faster.

 

[Pinko Marx]

that is totally reasonable. I actually think it's a really good game. but I also think the cult of mgs2 is really funny.

Theres no game like it. The themes Kojima touches upon are extremely relevant to this day. There are few games that blend narrative, thematic, cinematic, and gameplay elements together so well. There are a lot of layers one can dig into and the fact that the game is so short makes it easy to do so.

Thats just this man's humble opinion.

 

[Sblargh]

What I take from this thread is that alaskans don't even know what their president looks like.

 

[Pinko Marx]

What I take from this thread is that alaskans don't even know what their president looks like.

Alaskans that purposefully seclude themselves from the world*

 

[Sub_Level]

- Solidus aged faster and as such never looked like Solid or Liquid 1:1.
- Solidus was groomed to be more clean cut, unlike Snake who let his hair grow into a mullet and grow facial hair.
- He likely chalked it up to mere coincidence especially since to his knowledge there was only one other clone.

And at any rate, Solid Snake isn't even a perfect genetic clone of Liquid, much less Solidus who wasn't even from the same batch.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

- Solidus aged faster and as such never looked like Solid or Liquid 1:1.
- Solidus was groomed to be more clean cut, unlike Snake who let his hair grow into a mullet and grow facial hair.
- He likely chalked it up to mere coincidence especially since to his knowledge there was only one other clone.

And at any rate, Solid Snake isn't even a perfect genetic clone of Liquid, much less Solidus who wasn't even from the same batch.

This is true but this doesn't mean that they dont look identical as far as the eyes can see minus eye color and grooming. For all intents and purposes they are all twins.

 

[Sub_Level]

This is true but this doesn't mean that they dont look identical as far as the eyes can see minus eye color and grooming. For all intents and purposes they are all twins.

Sure. As posted above they use same basic character model and for Japanese MGS2 I believe they used same voice actor for Solid Snake and Solidus.

 

[bigace33]

because mgs2 is stupid

lol

 

[Emperor Bohe]

Boom

 

[Screaming Meat]

How is it Solid Snake never noticed the President of the United States looked exactly like him?

Who says he didn't?

Plus, I think he had more pressing issues when he was dealing with Liquid.

 

[Klyka]

Clones...!?

 

[Salaadin]

There are so many factors that go into the way a person looks that it's entirely possible for them to not look exactly alike and never really realize that they're brothers

 

[Magnus]

How about those thread title spoilers. Jesus. I'm fine, since I played the games years ago though.

 

[JayEH]

How about those thread title spoilers. Jesus. I'm fine, since I played the games years ago though.

MGS1 came out in 1998. Statute of limitations are up.

Yeah he does. He cites UN resolutions and shit.

He's well read on certain things pertaining to war. Doesn't mean he pays attention to stuff like presidential races.

Also what does he cite because I can't remember lol.

 

[Brakke]

How about those thread title spoilers. Jesus. I'm fine, since I played the games years ago though.

Let other people whine about spoilers" for their own damn selves. You some kinna Defender of Purity or something?

 

[gafneo]

I don't understand why Solidus is a clone, but sounds like the most over the top bad guy. He then turns out to not be evil, but then laughs about killing Raiden's parents and becomes bad for that reason alone. On top of that, Big Boss is very gentle and doesn't speak over the top at all. Meanwhile, all of his children are clones. They all are very distinctive. This is probably why Kojima wants a reboot. He has matured past his Japanese roots and only wants the insane quirks to be easter eggs and 4th wall. Phantom Pain looks to take the tone more seriously. He has been called out a lot on his mistakes and wants to fix the logic that holds the series from being perfect.

You have to understand that MGS games were very manga and very 90s, early 2000s. This is what appealed to the masses at the time. MGS was a game perfect for its time. For ghat reason it is a classic.

 

[Magnus]

MGS1 came out in 1998. Statute of limitations are up.



He's well read on certain things pertaining to war. Doesn't mean he pays attention to stuff like presidential races.

Also what does he cite because I can't remember lol.

Let other people whine about spoilers" for their own damn selves. You some kinna Defender of Purity or something?

I'm one to always disregard time limitations on spoilers, personally. Why not always err on the side of caution? It's easily avoidable by phrasing the title differently.

I dunno. There are plenty of games from the 2000s that I haven't played yet that I'd like preserved.

 

[JayEH]

I don't understand why Solidus is a clone, but sounds like the most over the top bad guy. He then turns out to not be evil, but then laughs about killing Raiden's parents and becomes bad for that reason alone. On top of that, Big Boss is very gentle and doesn't speak over the top at all. Meanwhile, all of his children are clones. They all are very distinctive. This is probably why Kojima wants a reboot. He has matured past his Japanese roots and only wants the insane quirks to be easter eggs and 4th wall. Phantom Pain looks to take the tone more seriously. He has been called out a lot on his mistakes and wants to fix the logic that holds the series from being perfect.

You have to understand that MGS games were very manga and very 90s, early 2000s. This is what appealed to the masses at the time. MGS was a game perfect for its time. For ghat reason it is a classic.

Metal Gear is still straight up anime lol.

 

[Pinko Marx]

How about those thread title spoilers. Jesus. I'm fine, since I played the games years ago though.

The moment the name "Solidus" comes into the scene, and you see the man face-to-face he says himself that he is Snake's brother. So someone going into the game blind won't even know who this thread is referring to until the twist has already been laid out.

 

[Saiyan-Rox]

TBH does anything in the MGS story make sense?

 

[Pinko Marx]

TBH does anything in the MGS story make sense?

Yes.

 

[Sub_Level]

TBH does anything in the MGS story make sense?

Yes. Is there something specifically you were wondering about?

 

[Magnus]

The moment the name "Solidus" comes into the scene, and you see the man face-to-face he says himself that he is Snake's brother. So someone going into the game blind won't even know who this thread is referring to until the twist has already been laid out.

Fair enough. It's been years. I'd forgotten.