EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I appreciate all the congratulaters but the haters usually ruin it for everyone.
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Super Bowl XLIX |OT| The Butler Did It
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What the hell was Brady going to do with a Chevy anyways?
Lol yeah the last few years the cars were Chevy's but at least they were high dollar cars.
Corvette, corvette, Camaro (iirc a very loaded Camaro), corvette, no car (lolBrees), and I think corvette. Before that were mostly all Escalades as Cadillac had the contract.
In other words, very few people will talk about Manning on the same level as Brady.
I know, right? One of the douchiest responses I've seen on these forums in a long time.
Me: "Brady is #1A or #1B of all-time. Tied with Montana as the best ever."
Him: "You are jealous of Lord Brady."
Class act!
Douchier than this one?:
Also, Montana was never confronted with accusation of being a cheater, to which he responded, "I don't believe so." That Brady conviction. #spygate #deflategate #liarliarpantsonfire
Basileus777
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Montana was 4-0 in the SB.
Brady is 4-2.
If only Brady had lost in the AFCC game in 07 and 11 his resume would be so much better!
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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LOL! I can't believe ppl think like that and use it as fuel for a argument.If only Brady had lost in the AFCC game in 07 and 11 his resume would be so much better!
If only Brady had lost in the AFCC game in 07 and 11 his resume would be so much better!
Who knew that Brady was only building upon his amazing legacy last year when he lost to the Broncos in the AFC Championship game? The more you know.
Zen_Arcade
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There are only so many haters because of the way the fan base acts. That and all of the cheating allegations.I appreciate all the congratulaters but the haters usually ruin it for everyone.
The only reason that post was "Ruined" is because derpyduck was more concerned about throwing around another patented "Jealous Brady" zinger then to actually read the words in front of him.
I did, you focused on one line while the rest of the post is pretty much putting Brady toe to toe with Montana, who is considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest of all time. I think you just need to stop selectively reading shit and pay attention.It's funny how you singled me out, yet the guy I responded to said Goober beat Tom Brady. Not the Giants beat the Patriots. Goober beat Brady. My my my aren't you predictable.
That's cute. Now go back and read his entire post.
LOL! I can't believe ppl think like that and use it as fuel for a argument.
Agreed. It is idiotic.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I know right, he needs to get some more AFC Championship loses and one and dones to be recognized as the goat. Step your elimination loss game up prior to the SB bro!Who knew that Brady was only building upon his amazing legacy last year when he lost to the Broncos in the AFC Championship game? The more you know.
There are only so many haters because of the way the fan base acts. That and all of the cheating allegations.
The only reason that post was "Ruined" is because derpyduck was more concerned about throwing around another patented "Jealous Brady" zinger then to actually read the words in front of him.
It's hilarious that people like you selectively read what you want and then use it to justify a childish bias you already had. My "jealousy" comment clearly was aimed at this salty nugget. But somehow you magically missed that portion of his post, huh?
Also, Montana was never confronted with accusation of being a cheater, to which he responded, "I don't believe so." That Brady conviction. #spygate #deflategate #liarliarpantsonfire
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I appreciated his post and agree with 99% of it. The judging by eras makes more sense to me.There are only so many haters because of the way the fan base acts. That and all of the cheating allegations.
The only reason that post was "Ruined" is because derpyduck was more concerned about throwing around another patented "Jealous Brady" zinger then to actually read the words in front of him.
I did, you focused on one line while the rest of the post is pretty much putting Brady toe to toe with Montana, who is considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest of all time. I think you just need to stop selectively reading shit and pay attention.
Tragicomedy
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Douchier than this one?:
What is wrong with that post, again? Brady has been accused as associated with a team that has been disciplined in the past for cheating, and might be again in the very near future. Nobody made those claims against Montana. And Brady showed a complete lack of conviction in how he answered his accusers, which is more fuel for the fire.
You might not like that stain that non-Patriots fan recognizes as being harmful to his legacy, but I do. It has to be discussed.
If only Brady had lost in the AFCC game in 07 and 11 his resume would be so much better!
LOL! I can't believe ppl think like that and use it as fuel for a argument.
No, those are very fair points. I was listing both their Super Bowl records for consideration, and I certainly didn't mean that as a mark against Brady. It's not Brady's fault that his team has been more dominant overall than Montana's was in his era, and reached two more championship games.
My post was stating that the game has changed significantly in this era, and is much more friendly to the passing game. Hence, single season yardage and TD records are dominated by modern players. But Brady shouldn't be punished in the greatest of all-time conversation by playing in the modern era. His stats speak for themselves. It's difficult to almost impossible to realy account for era differences, so you just have to compare them head to head. Brady compares very favorably to Montana.
I'm sorry that in recognizing Brady as one of the two greatest QBs of all time, I've somehow upset very sensible and level-headed Patriots fans who are the voice of reason.
Zen_Arcade
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I just addressed this. You're picking one joke line in a multiple paragraph post where the vast majority is praise. Like I said, stop selectively cherry picking posts to look for something to be pissy about. There was a lot more to that post then the one line you decided to say some dumb snarky shit about.It's hilarious that people like you selectively read what you want and then use it to justify a childish bias you already had. My "jealousy" comment clearly was aimed at this salty nugget. But somehow you magically missed that portion of his post, huh?
LyleLanley
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I think Tom Brady is an excellent football player.
I think Tom Brady is an excellent football player.
System QB.
George Claw M.D.
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I agree with Tragic about different eras and all that, but even taking that into account I think it's a toss-up. I'll accept either as GOAT. But it's clear it's Montana and Brady then everyone else. Peyton dropped out of the running. It's not necessarily his fault though. Who knows what he would accomplish on those Niners or Pats teams. He's certainly worked under worse coaches than both. But we can't judge on what-ifs.
Late comment about the last encroachment penalty. Brady may have had no intention of snapping the ball there. You pull a Harbaugh and take it all the way to a delay of game penalty. Half the distance to the goal is only a few inches lost and the potential payoff is huge in that situation. I'd even call that twice in a row if the first one didn't work.
Anyway, it was an amazing game even without the roller coaster ending. Exciting from start to finish without much/any ref bullshit to complain about.
Late comment about the last encroachment penalty. Brady may have had no intention of snapping the ball there. You pull a Harbaugh and take it all the way to a delay of game penalty. Half the distance to the goal is only a few inches lost and the potential payoff is huge in that situation. I'd even call that twice in a row if the first one didn't work.
Anyway, it was an amazing game even without the roller coaster ending. Exciting from start to finish without much/any ref bullshit to complain about.
LyleLanley
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Best QB ever.
I agree.
I agree.
Gud on not taking the bait, grats on the rings.
I just addressed this. You're picking one joke line in a multiple paragraph post where the vast majority is praise. Like I said, stop selectively cherry picking posts to look for something to be pissy about. There was a lot more to that post then the one line you decided to say some dumb snarky shit about.
If someone wrote a book praising a famous figure in history and then at the end tossed in, "And oh yeah, I have no proof of this, but he also loved kicking puppies." Would you call it cherry-picking when any and every sane people reading the book focused mainly on that one line?
How much conviction is required to prove that you're not guilty of what you're being accused of anyway?
greatestjediever
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In other words, very few people will talk about Manning on the same level as Brady.
Well, yeah, I guess my tone didn't come out clearly enough. I highly doubt he'll win two, and would probably be a miracle if he won one if he came back this year (and would probably most likely retire if he were able to pull it off).
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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yea and joe montana didn't benefit from Bill Walsh's west coast offense system at all.System QB.
Well, yeah, I guess my tone didn't come out clearly enough. I highly doubt he'll win two, and would probably be a miracle if he won one if he came back this year (and would probably most likely retire if he were able to pull it off).
I'd be glad if Peyton can call it a day with two, he certainly deserves it.
Do they automatically run the clock when you do that?Late comment about the last encroachment penalty. Brady may have had no intention of snapping the ball there. You pull a Harbaugh and take it all the way to a delay of game penalty. Half the distance to the goal is only a few inches lost and the potential payoff is huge in that situation. I'd even call that twice in a row if the first one didn't work.
Anyway, it was an amazing game even without the roller coaster ending. Exciting from start to finish without much/any ref bullshit to complain about.
yea and joe montana didn't benefit from Bill Walsh's west coast offense system at all.
Joe is the greatest system QB of all time. Not meant as an insult at all. He played the hell out of Walsh's system. Brady has had to adjust to multiple systems throughout his years.
Zen_Arcade
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If the line was obviously in jest after an entire book of praise? Yes, I'd have the context clues to not focus on the one line of an entire book and dwell on it like the rest of the book wasn't positive. "Every sane person" Get real.If someone wrote a book praising a famous figure in history and then at the end tossed in, "And oh yeah, I have no proof of this, but he also loved kicking puppies." Would you call it cherry-picking when any and every sane people reading the book focused mainly on that one line?
How much conviction is required to prove that you're not guilty of what you're being accused of anyway?
And if you're going to try and make a come back on an insult, try harder then "Hurr durr jealous" Because now you not only look like someone who didn't bother reading the whole post, you look like someone who can't even form a good argument against him.
greatestjediever
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If only Brady had lost in the AFCC game in 07 and 11 his resume would be so much better!
If Kobe won one more championship (lol), so that his finals record was 6-2, would you put him above Jordan (6-0)?
PS Dont answer that Bionic!
LyleLanley
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If Kobe won one more championship (lol), so that his finals record was 6-2, would you put him above Jordan (6-0)?
PS Dont answer that Bionic!
He'd be above Jordan but below Paul Pierce.
Basileus777
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If Kobe won one more championship (lol), so that his finals record was 6-2, would you put him above Jordan (6-0)?
PS Dont answer that Bionic!
6-2 is more impressive than 6-0, but that wouldn't change how Kobe was a significantly inferior player to Jordan.
The idea that losing earlier in the postseason is preferable to losing in the finals is what I was objecting to.
I seem to have made false assumptions and misunderstood what you meant by that.No, those are very fair points. I was listing both their Super Bowl records for consideration, and I certainly didn't mean that as a mark against Brady. It's not Brady's fault that his team has been more dominant overall than Montana's was in his era, and reached two more championship games.
My post was stating that the game has changed significantly in this era, and is much more friendly to the passing game. Hence, single season yardage and TD records are dominated by modern players. But Brady shouldn't be punished in the greatest of all-time conversation by playing in the modern era. His stats speak for themselves. It's difficult to almost impossible to realy account for era differences, so you just have to compare them head to head. Brady compares very favorably to Montana.
I'm sorry that in recognizing Brady as one of the two greatest QBs of all time, I've somehow upset very sensible and level-headed Patriots fans who are the voice of reason.
yea and joe montana didn't benefit from Bill Walsh's west coast offense system at all.
Joe could make all the throws with 2-3 guys in his face, while rolling outside of the pocket with no fucks given, and throw a dime with the game on the line. He never lost the big game, and did not play in shit conferences full of frauds.
It is easy to look at a sheet of paper and jerk off to comparison stats, most that mean nothing cause they will NEVER be adjusted for today or yesterdays play, but Montana passed the eye test. He did not throw endzone picks in the SB, and he did not lose with one of the greatest offenses ever. These hurt the resume, and was a pretty big choke job by Thomas considering he laughed at the idea of only scoring 17 points (Montana would have never done such a dickish thing).
He also could have probably gotten the Chiefs a title. So how dare you, how dare you dishonor the great never caught cheating JoMo. Go to your room and look at your shitty Red Sox baseball cards and Celtic jerseys!
grats on the title
Joe could make all the throws with 2-3 guys in his face, while rolling outside of the pocket with no fucks given, and throw a dime with the game on the line. He never lost the big game, and did not play in shit conferences full of frauds.
It is easy to look at a sheet of paper and jerk off to comparison stats, most that mean nothing cause they will NEVER be adjusted for today or yesterdays play, but Montana passed the eye test. He did not throw endzone picks in the SB, and he did not lose with one of the greatest offenses ever. These hurt the resume, and was a pretty big choke job by Thomas considering he laughed at the idea of only scoring 17 points (Montana would have never done such a dickish thing).
He also could have probably gotten the Chiefs a title. So how dare you, how dare you dishonor the great never caught cheating JoMo. Go to your room and look at your shitty Red Sox baseball cards and Celtic jerseys!
grats on the title
Joe also never had to face the amazing Andrew Luck.
Was a little taken aback by Russell's response to that pick though...he took it quite well. Think that comes from the fact he is only in his 3rd year, in his 2nd superbowl and he has been in the playoffs and won at least one game in the playoffs every year. There is probably an expectation with himself that he should be there more in the future. Going to be interesting to see what kind of deal he gets.
SEA also has Lynch and Wagner who's contracts are also up. If they keep drafting like they have though, no reason to not expect them back in the SB soon. But these guys are going to eat up a lot of their free cap space. Part of their success was due to having a QB the caliber of Russell on a 3rd round rookie contract.
SEA also has Lynch and Wagner who's contracts are also up. If they keep drafting like they have though, no reason to not expect them back in the SB soon. But these guys are going to eat up a lot of their free cap space. Part of their success was due to having a QB the caliber of Russell on a 3rd round rookie contract.
Joe also never had to face the amazing Andrew Luck.
That is incredibly luck of him, he would have probably ended up with 3 rings if he did.
LyleLanley
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Now that we've determined that Brady is the GOAT I think we should start the discussion of whether or not Edelman is the best receiver of all time.
Was a little taken aback by Russell's response to that pick though...he took it quite well. Think that comes from the fact he is only in his 3rd year, in his 2nd superbowl and he has been in the playoffs and won at least one game in playoffs every year. There is probably an expectation with himself that he should be there more in the future. Going to be interesting to see what kind of deal he gets.
SEA also has Lynch and Wagner who's contracts are also up. If they keep drafting like they have though, no reason to not expect them back in the SB soon. But these guys are going to eat up a lot of their free cap space. Part of their success was due to having a QB the caliber of Russell on a 3rd round rookie contract.
Hmm, idk man. I like Wussle, but I have a tough time believing they'll be able to get everyone back and get back there. But then again, the Niners made it to 3 straight conference Championships after down to the wire losses so you can't count them out.
LyleLanley
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I think it's good that we can finally bury that stupid stat of Wilson being perfect against Super Bowl winning QB's.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Now that we've determined that Brady is the GOAT I think we should start the discussion of whether or not Edelman is the best receiver of all time.
Former qb. Special teams. Corner. Now good wr. Shit is crazy.
That is incredibly luck of him, he would have probably ended up with 3 rings if he did.
Would you please tell your QB to consider Brady's legacy next time they meet in the playoffs? For Brady to be truly great, he must lose more often in the playoffs.
I think it's good that we can finally bury that stupid stat of Wilson being perfect against Super Bowl winning QB's.
Brady's never won a SB without cheating. Wilson's stat is still intact.
greatestjediever
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6-2 is more impressive than 6-0, but that wouldn't change how Kobe was a significantly inferior player to Jordan.
The idea that losing earlier in the postseason is preferable to losing in the finals is what I was objecting to.
And I guess that's sort of my point, you have to look further into it than simply record to determine who's the better QB. Montana won throwing 11 TDs, rushing 2 TDs and having no turnovers in 4 SB appearances. Tom's had 13 passing TDs, 4 turnovers in 6 appearances. Outside of Steve Young's 94 game, I don't think a QB has had a better showing than Montana's 89 SB.
LyleLanley
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Former qb. Special teams. Corner. Now good wr. Shit is crazy.
I think there's an argument to be made that he's the best football player ever, regardless of position.
Generalizing is fun. Shit like that is why I continue to believe that Pats haters are just jealous.Shit like this is why people think Boston/Patriots fans are the worst. He was literally agreeing that Brady is one of the best all time and you still had some dumb snarky thing to say.
Also, the guy ended his post with hashtag bullshit. Nobody does that sort of thing without some proper pettiness behind it.
Even as a Pats fan, I've got no problem conceding GOAT to Joe.And I guess that's sort of my point, you have to look further into it than simply record to determine who's the better QB. Montana won throwing 11 TDs, rushing 2 TDs and having no turnovers in 4 SB appearances. Tom's had 13 passing TDs, 4 turnovers in 6 appearances. Outside of Steve Young's 94 game, I don't think a QB has had a better showing than Montana's 89 SB.
Generalizing is fun. Shit like that is why I continue to believe that Pats haters are just jealous.
Also, the guy ended his post with hashtag bullshit. Nobody does that sort of thing without some proper pettiness behind it.
Even as a Pats fan, I've got no problem conceding GOAT to Joe.
Oh stop it, you're just cherry-picking.
Why is Joe, or Tom for that matter, better than Unitas?
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I dishonor joe for stating that he had a great system in place as well? I hear ppl blurt out this system QB thing like its a bad thing. Bill Walsh created a system and Joe didn't benefit from it all I guess. He did it all on his own. Fuck your kudos and eat all those colts failures. Luck will never be as good as neither Joe or Brady so chew on that.Joe could make all the throws with 2-3 guys in his face, while rolling outside of the pocket with no fucks given, and throw a dime with the game on the line. He never lost the big game, and did not play in shit conferences full of frauds.
It is easy to look at a sheet of paper and jerk off to comparison stats, most that mean nothing cause they will NEVER be adjusted for today or yesterdays play, but Montana passed the eye test. He did not throw endzone picks in the SB, and he did not lose with one of the greatest offenses ever. These hurt the resume, and was a pretty big choke job by Thomas considering he laughed at the idea of only scoring 17 points (Montana would have never done such a dickish thing).
He also could have probably gotten the Chiefs a title. So how dare you, how dare you dishonor the great never caught cheating JoMo. Go to your room and look at your shitty Red Sox baseball cards and Celtic jerseys!
grats on the title
George Claw M.D.
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No. Otherwise you'd see teams do that all the time instead of trying to get first downs when there's too much time to run down. And any offensive penalty that would run time off the clock can just be declined by the other team.Do they automatically run the clock when you do that?
Tragicomedy
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I think we can all agree that Alex Smith is the best quarterback playing today.
#unleashthedragon #dinkanddunk #chefs2015 #derpyduckdoesnotunderstandsarcasm
#unleashthedragon #dinkanddunk #chefs2015 #derpyduckdoesnotunderstandsarcasm
No. Otherwise you'd see teams do that all the time instead of trying to get first downs when there's too much time to run down. And any offensive penalty that would run time off the clock can just be declined by the other team.
Then I'm not sure what you're saying they should have done. What's the benefit of Brady taking delay of game penalties?
One thing I really loved about the game (and I can't wait to rewatch it for this reason) is how all of the receivers stepped up. Vereen had an incredible game, he was so dependable.
I can't remember Vereen ever having a bad game. Dude is reliable. Reminds me of Kevin Faulk. But you're right, there were very few dropped passes. Edelman is still a step above every other receiver in that game imo. The way he owned the vaunted Seattle D is amazing.
CitizenCope
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In all his interviews I've yet to see Malcolm Butler thank God for the interception. My new hero!
In all his interviews I've yet to see Malcolm Butler thank God for the interception. My new hero!
He'd be my hero if blamed god for fucking him over on the Kearse catch.
LyleLanley
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One thing I really loved about the game (and I can't wait to rewatch it for this reason) is how all of the receivers stepped up. Vereen had an incredible game, he was so dependable.
I hope he comes back next year but I have a feeling it's going to be hard to sign him, McCourty and Revis.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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veterans that want to win who already made boat loads of cash are flexible on contracts.I hope he comes back next year but I have a feeling it's going to be hard to sign him, McCourty and Revis.
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