Super Bowl XLIX |OT| The Butler Did It

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Sanjuro said:
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I love that character in that movie.
 
moon7 said:
I'm curious to see how far those Tebowesque numbers Wilson has put up in the past 2 games, going for a 0 QB rating in the first half of the NFC Championship game, and then 4/7 in the first half of the Superbowl, will end up getting the Seahawks from here on out, once they pay him big money, pay Lynch, and continue losing out players on the defensive side. Good luck with that style of offense going forward, going for the big play every game, 3-4 times a game. One thing I learned is that variance is a bitch in the NFL, and sooner or later, it will catch up to you at the most unexpected times. Just ask Fluco.
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It will be very interesting to watch Russell and the Seahawks moving forward, and if Lynch decides to go somewhere else, we may get a early look into passing Russell very, very soon.
 
"It's all now you see. Yesterday won't be over until tomorrow and tomorrow began ten thousand yards ago. For every Seattle boy fourteen years old, not once but whenever he wants it, there is the instant when it's still not yet second down on that February evening in 2015, the champagne carts are in position behind the stadium fence, the goggles are laid and ready in the locker room and the confetti cannons are already loosened to break out and Wilson himself with his short curly hair and his helmet in one hand probably and his Surface Pro 3 in the other looking up the field waiting for Bevell to give the call and it's all in the balance, it hasn't happened yet, it hasn't even begun yet, it not only hasn't begun yet but there is still time for it not to begin against that goal line defense and those circumstances which made more men than Lockette and Matthews and Kearse and Lynch look grave yet it's going to begin, we all know that, we have come too far with too much at stake and that moment doesn't need even a fourteen-year-old boy to think This time. Maybe this time with all this much to lose and all this much to gain: Seattle, New England, DisneyWorld, the golden trophy of Lombardi itself to crown with desperate and unbelievable victory the desperate gamble, the touchdown catch made two quarters ago..."

-William Faulkner, Intruder in the Endzone
 
Interesting bit of data, the Patriot are the youngest team to win a super-bowl with average age of 25.2. This is even more impressive when you think of Brady and Wilfork who are well into their 30's.

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/02/super-bowl-49-tom-brady-new-england-patriots/

The Patriots were the youngest team ever to win a Super Bowl, with an average age of 25.2 years.
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EDIT: If the Pats can resign Revis, McCourty and a few others, and Brady can keep playing well, the Pats may have an opportunity for another SB.
 
Quotient said:
The Pats did lose to the Dolphins in game 1 and barely scratched out a win against the jets in both games. So i guess you are right.
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To be fair though, Rex Ryan usually puts up a good fight against the Pats. The only real blowout i can remember off the top of my head is the buttfumble game. I imagine he'll be just as tough against us with the Bills.
 
Ambient80 said:
Lol, sorry dude that's just wrong. He was first place four years, second place two years. The other two guys did NOT do that. Even Montana said that if he won this weekend he should be considered the greatest.
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must be amazing to hear that from your idol. Tom Brady grew up in San Mateo CA, the bay area idolizing Joe Montana and to hear your idol speak that way of you must be amazing. To discredit Brady being the goat because he lost 2 SB's is crazy especially since allot of guys haven't even made it to one SB or only won one. Joe Monatana is my all time favorite QB of that era back then and Brady is my all time favorite QB in the now.
 
EASTC0AST_GH05T said:
The TD to interception ratio by Brady though, got damn!. I love Montana man but come on Montana fans give it up, give credit where credit is due. They have allot of ery scary close stats too. The completion % is nearly identical.
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I rate Montana as 1A and Brady as 1B. The only difference being the era's in which they played.

They're, IMO, the two best QBs to ever play.
 
Brady is the best ever.

As those stats show, he's even better than you would think from the super bowl wins alone.

Another good stat is that teams are 7-28 in the playoffs when their QB throws 50+ passes. Brady is 4-1 when he throws 50+ times (meaning all other QBs in history are a combined 3-27 when they throw that much).
 
moon7 said:
Yah I never understood that flawed logic. How the hell can you think getting knocked out earlier in the tournament is somehow better, than winning an NFC or AFC Championship and losing a Superbowl?

Those guys won 4, but they also failed to make the Superbowls the 2 times which Brady did, including going 18-0. They weren't even a part of those contests. When you make it that often, you're bound to lose some as well. For me honestly, not even this ring means as much as going 18-0. Every team wins a Superbowl every single year. Lots of franchises wins multiple. Heck there's franchises that have done it back to back, even multiple times. But only one team has gone undefeated all the way, and only one team has gone 18-0, and it was quarterbacked by Brady. That's a much more rare accomplishment compared to multiple rings, especially in the salary cap era, where there is so much more parity between teams.

I'm not sure if any of this makes Brady the greatest. Anyone could make an argument for any of those guys. You could even make an argument that Rodgers has already had a more efficient career as a passer up to the same point, 2nd only to Brady, and has a chance to outperform him. But as far as accomplishments, leadership, ability to adapt to new styles, players, teams offenses and execute so many different types of game plans....and most of all...ability to overcome adversity both on and off the field and WILL and LEAD your team to a win....there's no one greater than Tom. He's battle tested. He's been up. Down. Out. Back. Down again. And now finally back on top. Can't say that about a lot of those other guys. Joe's never had his heart yanked out twice and asked to come back again and again and keep trying and certainly never had to win under the type of off field pressure Tom's had to deal with, in a social media world. And that counts for something. Like being able to overcome 2, 14 points deficits in the divisional round and a 10 point 4th quarter Superbowl comeback, while having to deal with the media try to smear your image, question your integrity and drag your name through the mud.

Brady's gotten over his demons and moments of desperation. In that 4th quarter Sunday, he was Zen. In that post game conference, I have never seen Tom like that after a win. There was a certain zen-aura in his eyes. A calmness, like he had just achieved wisdom. From here on out, Tom's going to be Zen.

And at this point I honestly feel similar, and don't even care about rings, though I certainly want another. But I just want to keep winning, and having fun watching Tom pass the ball and BB coaching the team, and hopefully keep winning. Any game. That's good enough for me.

And hey...this was our 10 year anniversary since our last Superbowl win. He's not ready to quit, and 2018, will be our 10 year anniversary since our "near" perfect season. Just saying...Zen Tom could be pretty scary...his best performance, in a season, not just a Superbowl, or post season, or playoff game, might have yet to come. His legacy is still being written. He's going to keep adding to that resume. People forget that.
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Can you link me to that Brady's post game conference?
 
moon7 said:
Yah I never understood that flawed logic. How the hell can you think getting knocked out earlier in the tournament is somehow better, than winning an NFC or AFC Championship and losing a Superbowl?

Those guys won 4, but they also failed to make the Superbowls the 2 times which Brady did, including going 18-0. They weren't even a part of those contests. When you make it that often, you're bound to lose some as well. For me honestly, not even this ring means as much as going 18-0. Every team wins a Superbowl every single year. Lots of franchises wins multiple. Heck there's franchises that have done it back to back, even multiple times. But only one team has gone undefeated all the way, and only one team has gone 18-0, and it was quarterbacked by Brady. That's a much more rare accomplishment compared to multiple rings, especially in the salary cap era, where there is so much more parity between teams.

I'm not sure if any of this makes Brady the greatest. Anyone could make an argument for any of those guys. You could even make an argument that Rodgers has already had a more efficient career as a passer up to the same point, 2nd only to Brady, and has a chance to outperform him. But as far as accomplishments, leadership, ability to adapt to new styles, players, teams offenses and execute so many different types of game plans....and most of all...ability to overcome adversity both on and off the field and WILL and LEAD your team to a win....there's no one greater than Tom. He's battle tested. He's been up. Down. Out. Back. Down again. And now finally back on top. Can't say that about a lot of those other guys. Joe's never had his heart yanked out twice and asked to come back again and again and keep trying and certainly never had to win under the type of off field pressure Tom's had to deal with, in a social media world. And that counts for something. Like being able to overcome 2, 14 points deficits in the divisional round and a 10 point 4th quarter Superbowl comeback, while having to deal with the media try to smear your image, question your integrity and drag your name through the mud.

Brady's gotten over his demons and moments of desperation. In that 4th quarter Sunday, he was Zen. In that post game conference, I have never seen Tom like that after a win. There was a certain zen-aura in his eyes. A calmness, like he had just achieved wisdom. From here on out, Tom's going to be Zen.

And at this point I honestly feel similar, and don't even care about rings, though I certainly want another. But I just want to keep winning, and having fun watching Tom pass the ball and BB coaching the team, and hopefully keep winning. Any game. That's good enough for me.

And hey...this was our 10 year anniversary since our last Superbowl win. He's not ready to quit, and 2018, will be our 10 year anniversary since our "near" perfect season. Just saying...Zen Tom could be pretty scary...his best performance, in a season, not just a Superbowl, or post season, or playoff game, might have yet to come. His legacy is still being written. He's going to keep adding to that resume. People forget that.
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Spoken like a true pats fans.

Poetic post my friend...

It was a scary juggle pass, 18-1 was right in our face again, and Butler cleaned up the dirty mess that is karma'-)

2015 is our year baby!
 
Brady plays in a pure passing era, where every single rule has basically been modified to enable more offense through the air. Stricter rules on pass interference, enforcement of helmet-to-helmet rules over the middle, better O-line protection, and the complete inability to touch the QB, to name a few.

I also find it laughable when Pats fans say Brady never had any decent receivers. Most modern day QBs would kill to have played with Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Troy Brown, and even a strong third option like Danny Amendola.

Montana was 4-0 in the SB.
Brady is 4-2.

Inasmuch as you can directly compare eras without factoring in the surrounding circumstances, Tom Brady is on even footing with Joe Montana. When factoring for the way the game was played in their respective eras, I give the nod to Joe Cool.

Also, Montana was never confronted with accusation of being a cheater, to which he responded, "I don't believe so." That Brady conviction. #spygate #deflategate #liarliarpantsonfire

Brady is certainly better in big games than Manning ever has been, that's for sure.
 
Tragicomedy said:
Brady plays in a pure passing era, where every single rule has basically been modified to enable more offense through the air. Stricter rules on pass interference, enforcement of helmet-to-helmet rules over the middle, better O-line protection, and the complete inability to touch the QB, to name a few.

I also find it laughable when Pats fans say Brady never had any decent receivers. Most modern day QBs would kill to have played with Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Troy Brown, and even a strong third option like Danny Amendola.

Montana was 4-0 in the SB.
Brady is 4-2.

Inasmuch as you can directly compare eras without factoring in the surrounding circumstances, Tom Brady is on even footing with Joe Montana. When factoring for the way the game was played in their respective eras, I give the nod to Joe Cool.

Also, Montana was never confronted with accusation of being a cheater, to which he responded, "I don't believe so." That Brady conviction. #spygate #deflategate #liarliarpantsonfire
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I too am jealous of Lord Tom Brady.
 
Derpyduck said:
It's only been an argument the past 10 years because Peyton fans desperately want it to be one. Wake me when he passes Goober Manning in SB wins.
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Wake me when Brady beats "Goober" Manning in the SB. Currently he's 0-2 against him.

Tragicomedy said:
Brady plays in a pure passing era, where every single rule has basically been modified to enable more offense through the air. Stricter rules on pass interference, enforcement of helmet-to-helmet rules over the middle, better O-line protection, and the complete inability to touch the QB, to name a few.

I also find it laughable when Pats fans say Brady never had any decent receivers. Most modern day QBs would kill to have played with Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, Wes Welker, Deion Branch, Julian Edelman, Troy Brown, and even a strong third option like Danny Amendola.

Montana was 4-0 in the SB.
Brady is 4-2.

Inasmuch as you can directly compare eras without factoring in the surrounding circumstances, Tom Brady is on even footing with Joe Montana. When factoring for the way the game was played in their respective eras, I give the nod to Joe Cool.

Also, Montana was never confronted with accusation of being a cheater, to which he responded, "I don't believe so." That Brady conviction. #spygate #deflategate #liarliarpantsonfire
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I agree. Right or wrong Brady will always have #spygate and #deflategate attached to his name.
 
Derpyduck said:
I too am jealous of Lord Tom Brady.
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Where do you get jealousy from my post? Was it your Patriot homerism that blinded you from the part where I said that they are on even footing when you don't account for the era/rule differences?

I don't have a dog in the fight. I was never a 49ers fan. But nice try to dismiss everything under that label. You did well.
 
graffix13 said:
Wake me when Brady beats "Goober" Manning in the SB. Currently he's 0-2 against him.



I agree. Right or wrong Brady will always have #spygate and #deflategate attached to his name.
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doesn't matter what you think or agree with Brady is a 4 time SB champion so either pucker up and kiss the rings or try your best to ignore it.
 
Haloid1177 said:
Looking at your avatar makes these posts so much better.



It did. The same team that throttled Manning got beaten by Brady. Plus it's 4-1 now if that doesn't do it then I don't know what to tell ya.
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But it wasn't the same team that throttled the Broncos in the SB. That team would have throttled the Patriots last year.

The team that lost to the Patriots this year beat the Broncos 26-20 in OT.

As much as it pains me to say, though, very few people will now talk about Peyton at the same level as Brady, unless he were to win the next two Super Bowls.
 
I was on team Peyton back when that was actually a conversation worth having, but I'll happily say that this Superbowl was easily the "finish him!" moment in that debate.

It's really not a contest anymore.

...nevertheless, the ending of this Superbowl was insane, I'll just echo what's been said 1000 times already.
 
Tragicomedy said:
Wake me up when football is a one-man game. You really have nothing to add to this other than "ROFLTOMBRADY!!" do you?
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It's funny how you singled me out, yet the guy I responded to said Goober beat Tom Brady. Not the Giants beat the Patriots. Goober beat Brady. My my my aren't you predictable.

Zen_Arcade said:
Shit like this is why people think Boston/Patriots fans are the worst. He was literally agreeing that Brady is one of the best all time and you still had some dumb snarky thing to say.
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That's cute. Now go back and read his entire post.
 
I'm not sure if this is an eat crow post or just reaching football zen.

I've lived in CT my entire life and I am a Dolphins fan. As a division rival I have always hated the Jets, Pats, Bills and always go against them no matter who they are playing. After the Superbowl, I was not mad just happy that I got to witness a great game.

I now have no issue called Brady the GOAT and Coach B easily in the discussion as GOAT and excited that i actually got to witness greatness at this caliber. Patriot fans are a pretty good bunch as long as you avoid NFL.com and facebook (granted that can be said of all fans)

Congrats to the Patriots...and if i am ever feeling immature I'll just bring up the ancient '73 team that went undefeated with a backup qb.
 
greatestjediever said:
As much as it pains me to say, though, very few people will now talk about Peyton at the same level as Brady, unless he were to win the next two Super Bowls.
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In other words, very few people will talk about Manning on the same level as Brady.

Zen_Arcade said:
Shit like this is why people think Boston/Patriots fans are the worst. He was literally agreeing that Brady is one of the best all time and you still had some dumb snarky thing to say.
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I know, right? One of the douchiest responses I've seen on these forums in a long time.

Me: "Brady is #1A or #1B of all-time. Tied with Montana as the best ever."
Him: "You are jealous of Lord Brady."

Class act!

Derpyduck said:
It's funny how you singled me out, yet the guy I responded to said Goober beat Tom Brady. Not the Giants beat the Patriots. Goober beat Brady. My my my aren't you predictable.

That's cute. Now go back and read his entire post.
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I singled you out because of the previous post, where you acted like a complete douche and accused me of being jealous of Brady...right after I said he was tied as the best ever for me. Your post was worthless drivel, and perfectly illustrative of a knee-jerk Pats homer response. You literally didn't even read my post, you simply responded with "I <3 Tom's ball!" garbage. Quite frankly, it was embarassing.

And don't try to change the sequence of events here. You said that Peyton Manning wasn't even as good as Eli, to which another poster responded that Eli is 2-0 against Tom Brady. So from my perspective, you started that scuffle, which completely undermines your point about football being a team game.

My my, aren't you predictable.
 
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