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[nrvalleytime]

Well that's not what we're getting. This Spider-Man won't be an origin, & it won't be of an older Spider-Man.

Or even a little bit younger.

I do not want to see another middle aged (or near) superhero with the Avengers at this point. A young Spider-Man will offer something different in the grand scheme of the MCU.

What about a younger Spider-Man that nonetheless skips the origin story?

Hopefully it's a young (20sh) version of the character - one who has defined enemies and a backstory. One who has experienced pain and loss, where the question isn't whether he deserves to be within the Avengers. It should be how and why he belongs there, if that makes sense.

Ahh, anyway. Back to work. Can't afford to get sucked into this discussion. I trust Marvel will cast well - can't say the mainline films have been disappointing in that regard.

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

Logan Lerman please! A complete cutie and a great actor, he was the best part of The Fury (war movie with Brad Pitt and Shia).

He'd fit in great as the young smart aleck amongst Chris Evans and Thor in Infinity Gauntlet if God willing that actually happens. Just don't get sucked into a 6 part deal Logan, Marvel is NOTORIOUSLY cheap with its actors.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I wonder how long it will be before we actually know who is cast...

Hopefully not terribly long.

 

[Ashhong]

Hopefully it's a young (20sh) version of the character - one who has defined enemies and a backstory. One who has experienced pain and loss, where the question isn't whether he deserves to be within the Avengers. It should be how and why he belongs there, if that makes sense.

Ahh, anyway. Back to work. Can't afford to get sucked into this discussion. I trust Marvel will cast well - can't say the mainline films have been disappointing in that regard.

Sounds like Spectacular Spiderman. Except he's still in HS, which I thought was what they wanted here

 

[Die Squirrel Die]

I wonder how long it will be before we actually know who is cast...

Hopefully not terribly long.

Presumably if they are going to be in Civil War it will need to be soon-ish so they can start filming.

 

[Terrell]

Can I choose neither actor? I'd like someone I enjoy looking at to be Peter Parker. The movies so far have not delivered.

 

[Mumei]

Sounds like Spectacular Spiderman. Except he's still in HS, which I thought was what they wanted here

Which is good, because Josh Keaton is the best Spider-Man.

Although at the start of Spectacular Spider-Man, he doesn't yet have defined enemies; up until the start of the series he'd just been dealing with ordinary criminals that summer. But that would be a good place to start him off in the movies - few months experience, Uncle Ben has died, he's started his freelance work for Jameson, he's friends with Norman and whoever else, and he's now starting to face other similarly super-powered foes. Not exactly the same thing, but I like that template.

 

[jon bones]

Which is good, because Josh Keaton is the best Spider-Man.

Although at the start of Spectacular Spider-Man, he doesn't yet have defined enemies; up until the start of the series he'd just been dealing with ordinary criminals that summer. But that would be a good place to start him in the movies off - few months experience, Uncle Ben has died, he's started his freelance work for Jameson, he's friends with Norman and whoever else, and he's now starting to face other similarly super-powered foes. Not exactly the same thing, but I like that template.

that sounds like a great starting point for this

 

[crimsonspider89]

I mean he can face several smaller villains but the first movie should be a villain that forces him to beat them with more of his spidey sense. Someone who is like Mysterio or Shocker. You know a small time villain who Peter had trouble with when he first started.

 

[Voror]

Which is good, because Josh Keaton is the best Spider-Man.

Although at the start of Spectacular Spider-Man, he doesn't yet have defined enemies; up until the start of the series he'd just been dealing with ordinary criminals that summer. But that would be a good place to start him in the movies off - few months experience, Uncle Ben has died, he's started his freelance work for Jameson, he's friends with Norman and whoever else, and he's now starting to face other similarly super-powered foes. Not exactly the same thing, but I like that template.

I really do miss that show.

It's definitely not a bad place to start from and I rather liked the spin they had on things there. Introducing a lot of the supporting cast would be a good move I think since you could seed things down the line without necessarily promising too much.

If they really need to have the origin, I think the best manner would be either in an opening credits sequence or maybe some sort of nightmare by Peter that quickly flashes through the important bits.

 

[Fintan]

Which is good, because Josh Keaton is the best Spider-Man.

Although at the start of Spectacular Spider-Man, he doesn't yet have defined enemies; up until the start of the series he'd just been dealing with ordinary criminals that summer. But that would be a good place to start him off in the movies - few months experience, Uncle Ben has died, he's started his freelance work for Jameson, he's friends with Norman and whoever else, and he's now starting to face other similarly super-powered foes. Not exactly the same thing, but I like that template.

If he is introduced in Captain America 3, then I like this as a setup. This could be like the cold open to the movie. To introduce to the wider MCU, you could have Nick Fury meeting with him like their encounters in Ultimate Spider-Man. "We're keeping our eyes on you, you'll be an Avenger some day etc." Could even include some of the background from Ultimate Spider-Man like Nick's association with Peter's parents.

 

[Jigorath]

Which is good, because Josh Keaton is the best Spider-Man.

Although at the start of Spectacular Spider-Man, he doesn't yet have defined enemies; up until the start of the series he'd just been dealing with ordinary criminals that summer. But that would be a good place to start him off in the movies - few months experience, Uncle Ben has died, he's started his freelance work for Jameson, he's friends with Norman and whoever else, and he's now starting to face other similarly super-powered foes. Not exactly the same thing, but I like that template.

Now that Marvel and Sony are working together can't they bring back Spectacular Spider-Man?

Spoiler

 

[Admiral Woofington]

If he is introduced in Captain America 3, then I like this as a setup. This could be like the cold open to the movie. To introduce to the wider MCU, you could have Nick Fury meeting with him like their encounters in Ultimate Spider-Man. "We're keeping our eyes on you, you'll be an Avenger some day etc." Could even include some of the background from Ultimate Spider-Man like Nick's association with Peter's parents.

ugh if they really had Nick Fury just say "you'll be an avenger some day" I'd cringe till the day I die.

 

[antonz]

Which is good, because Josh Keaton is the best Spider-Man.

Although at the start of Spectacular Spider-Man, he doesn't yet have defined enemies; up until the start of the series he'd just been dealing with ordinary criminals that summer. But that would be a good place to start him off in the movies - few months experience, Uncle Ben has died, he's started his freelance work for Jameson, he's friends with Norman and whoever else, and he's now starting to face other similarly super-powered foes. Not exactly the same thing, but I like that template.

Sounds like a fantastic way to go about it and pretty much how I envisioned it. He's still pretty new to the whole hero scene but still established so they can get right to the good stuff

 

[Mumei]

Now that Marvel and Sony are working together can't they bring back Spectacular Spider-Man?

Spoiler

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Thanks to Admiral Woofington for the picture. <3

Spectacular Spider-Man really was fantastic. It was as good as B:TAS was in synthesizing the best elements of the title character (combining elements from the Lee/Ditko and Ultimate comics and the original movie trilogy) and it had a serialized plot instead of a more typical episodic structure. It's easily in the conversation for best animated comic show, I think.

 

[Monocle]

Dylan O'Brien is a superb comedic and dramatic actor. They should go for him.

 

[Citizen_Insane]

Hopefully it's a young (20sh) version of the character - one who has defined enemies and a backstory. One who has experienced pain and loss, where the question isn't whether he deserves to be within the Avengers. It should be how and why he belongs there, if that makes sense.

Ahh, anyway. Back to work. Can't afford to get sucked into this discussion. I trust Marvel will cast well - can't say the mainline films have been disappointing in that regard.

I like this and it could fit really well with what they've done so far with the characters.

What I think would be cool is if they skip the whole spider bite and uncle Ben dying bits, and have it so Peter is starting college and has kept his powers mostly a secret. So he's stopped petty crimes but hasn't embraced the Spiderman persona. Once he sees what happened in NY with the Avengers in the first movie he realizes he wants to be a hero and join them. Insert smart ass Peter Parker, all Spiderman'd out, into Cap 3 and go from there. Don't know if the comics ever had a similar approach to that.

 

[Voror]

Spectacular Spider-Man really was fantastic. It was as good as B:TAS was in synthesizing the best elements of the title character (combining elements from the Lee/Ditko and Ultimate comics and the original movie trilogy) and it had a serialized plot instead of a more typical episodic structure. It's easily in the conversation for best animated comic show, I think.

Truly and such a shame that things worked out as they did when there was still so much more seeded for the future like Hobgoblin and Scorpion. It did a great job tying things together episode by episode as well as adapting the various villains. I think it might be my favorite take on Eddie Brock for one.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

O'Brien would be a great choice. Kid has talent. Looks the part. Id be luke warm on Percy Jackson.

 

[valeo]

I really thought that these two guys were the same people. Shocked they are not.

 

[Gambit 1138]

The Avengers are in there mid to late 40s. A 30 year old Spider-Man would automatically be younger than them. If there gonna go the high schooler route than it better be based off Ultimate Spider-Man (but then they really need Johnny Storm, Bobby Drake, and Kitty Pryde....)

 

[Cheebo]

The Avengers are in there mid to late 40s. A 30 year old Spider-Man would automatically be younger than them

Um....

Chris Evans - 33
Chris Hemsworth - 31
Scarlett Johansson - 30

 

[xxracerxx]

The Avengers are in there mid to late 40s. A 30 year old Spider-Man would automatically be younger than them. If there gonna go the high schooler route than it better be based off Ultimate Spider-Man (but then they really need Johnny Storm, Bobby Drake, and Kitty Pryde....)

No.

 

[Loke13]

The Avengers are in there mid to late 40s. A 30 year old Spider-Man would automatically be younger than them. If there gonna go the high schooler route than it better be based off Ultimate Spider-Man (but then they really need Johnny Storm, Bobby Drake, and Kitty Pryde....)

You seem really adamant about this "older" Spider-Man idea even though Sony&Marvel have expressed their wishes for a younger Peter Parker.

 

[Not]

Of course. Another brown-haired white teenager. If Sony really knew what they were doing, they'd shake it up. At least put him in college or something.

I'm beginning to think that the one thing the MCU might not be able to get right is Sony's Spider-Man.

You seem really adamant about this "older" Spider-Man idea even though Sony&Marvel have expressed their wishes for a younger Peter Parker.

I hear the idea of another high-school Spider-Man story, with another actor, and I'm like sheesh. Maybe Guardians made more money because it was something we hadn't seen five times. I have zero excitement to see this story retold again, so imagine the average moviegoer. I mean, even WITH Tony Stark in flying around in the background.

 

[darkhunger]

I hear the idea of another high-school Spider-Man story, with another actor, and I'm like sheesh. Maybe Guardians made more money because it was something we hadn't seen five times. I have zero excitement to see this story retold again, so imagine the average moviegoer. I mean, even WITH Tony Stark in flying around in the background.

No one has said anything about a story being retold though. Quite the contrary. The rumors are that the story will take a different tone and focus (ie less romance) than both previous series.

 

[xxracerxx]

Of course. Another brown-haired white teenager. If Sony really knew what they were doing, they'd shake it up. At least put him in college or something.

Shake it up by making him a brown-haired white teenager in college like the first trilogy?

 

[Sou Da]

Which is good, because Josh Keaton is the best Spider-Man.

How much fun did you have when you heard they threw out Keaton's recordings and used Drake Bell in the EMH episode that was a sendoff to Spectacular?

 

[JasonUresti]

I mean he can face several smaller villains but the first movie should be a villain that forces him to beat them with more of his spidey sense. Someone who is like Mysterio or Shocker. You know a small time villain who Peter had trouble with when he first started.

The Enforcers!

 

[Fintan]

ugh if they really had Nick Fury just say "you'll be an avenger some day" I'd cringe till the day I die.

Haha, he basically says something like that in Ultimate Spider-Man. I think it's more along the lines of like "We own you now." or something similar.

 

[Not]

Shake it up by making him a brown-haired white teenager in college like the first trilogy?

He started in high school. And I'm still crossing my fingers someone forces Feige and Pascal's collective hands to make a Miles Morales movie.

 

[xxracerxx]

He started in high school. And I'm still crossing my fingers someone forces Feige and Pascal's collective hands to make a Miles Morales movie.

Which he promptly graduated in the first half of the movie. I see no difference.

You are not going to get Morales on film.

 

[Blader]

Um....

Chris Evans - 33
Chris Hemsworth - 31
Scarlett Johansson - 30

Add to that:

Aaron Taylor-Johnson - 24
Elizabeth Olsen - 25

 

[Not]

Which he promptly graduated in the first half of the movie. I see no difference.

You are not going to get Morales on film.

Quoted and saved, just in case

edit: the difference is spider-man has at least started in high school in every movie. How many times can we see the same thing over and over and over

 

[Fintan]

He started in high school. And I'm still crossing my fingers someone forces Feige and Pascal's collective hands to make a Miles Morales movie.

Do you think a few movies down the line they could di the Death of Spider-Man like in the comics and introduce Miles that way? I haven't read all of Miles issues, but it feels like a lot of his stuff is related to him being a successor to Peter. Inspired by his death, uses a lot of Peter's supporting cast etc?

 

[xxracerxx]

Quoted and saved, just in case

Sounds good. See you in 2024 at the earliest.

The way I picture the opening of the new Spider-Man film is Parker fully suited up coming upon The Shocker robbing a bank and making a quip about his costume/etc and how he has to hurry up...after the fight Parker rushes to school and gets there either late or just in time. They need to focus more on how he has 4 main responsibilities in life...Aunt May, School, Bugle, and Spider-Man.

 

[neoanarch]

Why do people keep pushing for Miles and Kamala? I don't understand why people think either of those characters can stand on their own. Both of them are characters whose story is closely tied to the fact they are legacy characters. How does a Miles story work where he isn't trying to live up to the legacy of Peter. Who does Kamala have to idolize and try and emulate? If you put Miles before Peter the only story you can tell is the exact same as a Peter Parker. A teenager burdened with a responsibility that sometimes overwhelms him but that he always strives to carry.

 

[Fintan]

Sounds good. See you in 2024 at the earliest.

The way I picture the opening of the new Spider-Man film is Parker fully suited up coming upon The Shocker robbing a bank and making a quip about his costume/etc and how he has to hurry up...after the fight Parker rushes to school and gets there either late or just in time. They need to focus more on how he has 4 main responsibilities in life...Aunt May, School, Bugle, and Spider-Man.

I really want to see Shocker in a Spider-Man film. Specifically I want this exact scene done live action.

http://youtu.be/TWRjsqoSWTI

 

[Not]

I just hope we get Deadpool-esque levels of joking during action scenes. Finally.

That was my favorite part of the original 60's comic. That he was just like this superhuman powerhouse that could kick anyone's ass, and the villains were actually like, afraid of him, and he still threw out all these lighthearted, stupid jokes every panel. It was the best juxtaposition ever.

The best we got in the Raimi films was "Here's your change"

Why do people keep pushing for Miles and Kamala? I don't understand why people think either of those characters can stand on their own. Both of them are characters whose story is closely tied to the fact they are legacy characters. How does a Miles story work where he isn't trying to live up to the legacy of Peter. Who does Kamala have to idolize and try and emulate? If you put Miles before Peter the only story you can tell is the exact same as a Peter Parker. A teenager burdened with a responsibility that sometimes overwhelms him but that he always strives to carry.

Maybe, but at least a black or latino kid can walk out of the theater and think he can be Spider-Man. Same with a little Muslim girl thinking she can be a superhero with shapechanging abilities.

 

[xxracerxx]

Maybe, but at least a black or latino kid can walk out of the theater and think he can be Spider-Man. Same with a little Muslim girl thinking she can be a superhero with shapechanging abilities.

Ok...that is a whole other argument though.

 

[Wafflecakes]

TBH I want Miles.... eventually, but I feel like now is too soon.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Maybe, but at least a black or latino kid can walk out of the theater and think he can be Spider-Man. Same with a little Muslim girl thinking she can be a superhero with shapechanging abilities.

Then Marvel should use one of their many established minority characters and make a movie out of that instead of trying to use a character most people don't care about to replace one of the most beloved super heroes of all time.

 

[tomtom94]

Then Marvel should use one of their many established minority characters and make a movie out of that instead of trying to use a character most people don't care about to replace one of the most beloved super heroes of all time.

I wasn't aware that what made Spider-Man so great was the fact he was white, I always thought it was the web-shooting thing, but what do I know.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I wasn't aware that what made Spider-Man so great was the fact he was white, I always thought it was the web-shooting thing, but what do I know.

People, especially comicbook fans, just like close adaptions of their favourite stuff.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I wasn't aware that what made Spider-Man so great was the fact he was white, I always thought it was the web-shooting thing, but what do I know.

What a stupid comment...

Peter Parker was white in the comics. Stop being a twat and pretending that those who want him portrayed the same way on film are racist.

 

[Mexen]

Agreed

You, me and raimi

We are lolling cause this is looking totally not good

To hell with it all, Tobey will always be the only spidey

No, we can't risk another Spider_Man 3.

 

[Gr1mLock]

Of course. Another brown-haired white teenager.

Yea. Kinda like..you know Peter Parker.

 

[Cheebo]

Making Parker black means they will be far less likely to introduce Miles Morales down the road sadly. And that would be a bad thing. I want to see Miles Morales eventually because he is a fantastic character, NOT because he is black. And to do the Miles Morales story you need Parker first.

It seems a lot who want Miles Morales haven't read the comics and just want an excuse for Donald Glover or whomever be Spidey. He isn't just a black Peter Parker, he is his own unique character which does not work if Parker isnt Spider-Man first.

 

[Certinty]

Hopefully Dylan, just seems like the role would fit him perfectly.

 

[Zen_Arcade]

I wasn't aware that what made Spider-Man so great was the fact he was white, I always thought it was the web-shooting thing, but what do I know.

It has nothing to do with the fact that Miles is black, it has to do with the fact that comparatively to Parker, he's a boring under developed character because he hasn't been around very long. It makes no sense to pick him to lead your movie franchise over a character people have known and loved for decades. The vast majority of people don't know or care about who Miles Morales is. Not to mention that a huge part of Miles character development is having to fill the already established shoes of Peter. He's a lesser character if you cut out him being a legacy character.

Everything about the idea is bad. And if the only reason that people want Miles is because he's black, then I think my suggestion of using better black characters with more interesting histories is a pretty good one.