Kid share plays Destiny to stranger...

Tigress said:
You may not engage in deceptive or misleading practices.
You may not abuse or harass others, including stalking behavior.
You may not cause disruption to or modify or damage any account, system, hardware, software, or network connected to or provided by SEN for any reason, including for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage in a game.
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Ban the kid as well, I guess.
Or give him a warning.
 
Fuz said:
He learned a very useful lesson in the less dangerous way possible.

Not such a bad thing, after all.
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No he didn't. This isn't the same thing, he might not have learned anything and may end up with a great distrust for other people.

Amazing. We should probably do this to all children to learn about safety.

Razgriz-Specter said:
Ban the kid as well, I guess.
Or give him a warning.
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How is he being deceptive or misleading?

Disruption to software is possibly true yes.
 
Prophet Steve said:
How is he being deceptive or misleading?

Disruption to software is possibly true yes.
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Depends if it just means between the 2 users or all parties involved.
I wouldn't say just ban the kid but if the rulebook is strictly followed it should have an affect on the him as well in some way(warning, temp ban, etc).

I feel for him but he is trying to exploit something, the results could have been much worse if Sony or Bungie caught him doing it himself.
 
My profile looks exactly the same. My trophies and personal stuff has been set to private for some time now and mine looks exactly the same (although I think his + status is also 'expired'?)

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I think something should be done that's not over reacting. I reckon a reset of the guy's Destiny characters and Sony should wipe all trophy data from his account. Guy cost the kid many hours in levelling and grinding that char and gear. Punishment fits the crime. Although it doesn't deter people creating blank/new SEN accounts to troll on......
 
Deku Tree said:
I though some members of the DoD clan power leveled his new alt for the kid.
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Chances are likely yes lot of people added him to help him out.
He has like 205 new friends lol
But he is genuinely a nice lad to chat too, specially compared to the ones i played against on my 360.. *shudders*

What ammused me is almost everyone i spoke too has heard of this now, kermit is pretty well known prick now.
 
The kid is only guilty of trusting someone.

Kirmit is the one being malicious.

What the fuck is wrong with people blaming the kid or laughing at him? How cynical and jaded can you be?
 
neoemonk said:
The kid is only guilty of trusting someone.

Kirmit is the one being malicious.

What the fuck is wrong with people blaming the kid or laughing at him? How cynical and jaded can you be?
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As cynical and jaded as Kirmit I'd say. I strongly suspect those seeing no foul would quickly reverse their view if they were on the receiving end.

Guy straight up fucks over someone cruelty and maliciously for the lol but it's okay? Sure. Guess when online gets hacked it's okay too? It's just for the lols after all and it's just videogames right?

Amazing example of don't trust strangers though. Shareplay is clearly best used with friends I'd suggest. Looks like it's needs clearer policing policies too. So it's also a case of thisiswhywecanthavenucethings.gif too I suspect.
 
I don't think there is a problem with share play. The problem is that games like Destiny don't allow you to create local saves, which you could then backup to USB or the PS+ cloud.
Local saves should be made mandatory by Sony.
 
Nah local saves would make it easy to cheat in Destiny which would be worse for the game then actually accidental deletions.

Destiny is a persistent online world game. The whole point is that once something happens it happened and you can't revert to a time before it happened.

That said they should create a better system for protecting against deleting important characters and loot. Although no matter what the system is there will always be mean horrible people.
 
Rean said:
He handled that surprisingly well when he joined the party again.
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Thats because at that point he didn't even realize that his characters were gone as he only witnessed how the other dude deleted that exotic weapon.

Poor kid :/ I don't blame him at all, he's 11 years old. The blame is on his parents and that fucking asshole who thinks it's cool to abuse the naivety of a child.
 
Bamelin said:
Can somebody post here and pm me links to every news story currently live about this? I know about the gameinformer one.
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I'm sure there are more but the three I've seen are

Gamestop:Horror Scenes as Destiny Player Deletes Stranger's Save Files via PS4 SharePlay

Gamingbolt: Destiny: PS4 Player Learns About Stranger Danger The Hard Way

gamereator (spanish): http://www.gamereactor.es/noticias/...nes+en+Destiny+por+culpa+del+'Shareplay'+PS4/

Gamechup: PS4 Share Play Horror Story: Kid Loses His Destiny Chars and Weapons

I"m sure there are more out there too.

If you're passing along information this is what tipped me into "Don't renew PS+" when my subscription expires in March. I spent too much time trying to avoid assholes in life to give Sony money to play video games with them. If they can't be bothered to ban trolls and racists from their service it isn't somewhere I want to spend money to be.
 
Occam said:
I don't think there is a problem with share play. The problem is that games like Destiny don't allow you to create local saves, which you could then backup to USB or the PS+ cloud.
Local saves should be made mandatory by Sony.
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Local saves for an MMO-lite? Haha no.
 
GeekComplex said:
So the facts are this, he's 23, his name is Aaron, he goes by Kirmitthefrog on psn and kirmit101 on skype. He didn't yet get banned from Destiny or PSN, and is actively playing Destiny for hours a day. Also, the kid, Henry, did NOT, and will NOT be getting anything, his is only to be a cautionary tale.
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FYI you are breaking a Dozen TOS by sharing his personal details (kid too!). Regardless of the person being a dick or not what you are doing is very wrong. Same goes for anyone else doing so. Mods y'all know this very well and would be wise to edit any posts that do this before this whole thing spirals out of control and people get legal letters.
 
Deku Tree said:
Nah local saves would make it easy to cheat in Destiny which would be worse for the game then actually accidental deletions.

Destiny is a persistent online world game. The whole point is that once something happens it happened and you can't revert to a time before it happened.

That said they should create a better system for protecting against deleting important characters and loot. Although no matter what the system is there will always be mean horrible people.
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It's pretty simple. Require a password to delete characters if you enable that security.
 
On a semi-related note, what is it with variants of the name 'kermit'? I have run into any number of trolls called variants of Kermit, and also heard of / read many stories of trolling by characters named variants of Kermit.

I get that Kermit the frog was a muppet. Frog = toad? Therefore troll? Is there some history to this name beyond that, that makes it a magnet for a-holes?
 
I have read about this on another site.

First what KirmitTHEfrog did was wrong, however:

The kid (as he is being known as) is underage for playing Destiny.
He was open to cheating to level up.
He let a stranger into his game to take over.

Now then if KirmitTHEfrog it to be banned then shouldn't the kid also be banned as he is not old enough to play Destiny further more he was willing to cheat to level up.
 
mhayze said:
On a semi-related note, what is it with variants of the name 'kermit'? I have run into any number of trolls called variants of Kermit, and also heard of / read many stories of trolling by characters named variants of Kermit.

I get that Kermit the frog was a muppet. Frog = toad? Therefore troll? Is there some history to this name beyond that, that makes it a magnet for a-holes?
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There are tons of super popular Kermit memes, some of which are trollish, so people probably choose a username based on Kermit because they like those memes.
 
B1G_A1AN said:
I have read about this on another site.

First what KirmitTHEfrog did was wrong, however:

The kid (as he is being known as) is underage for playing Destiny.
He was open to cheating to level up.
He let a stranger into his game to take over.

Now then if KirmitTHEfrog it to be banned then shouldn't the kid also be banned as he is not old enough to play Destiny further more he was willing to cheat to level up.
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There's nothing illegal about playing a game aimed at an older target than you.
 
B1G_A1AN said:
I have read about this on another site.

First what KirmitTHEfrog did was wrong, however:

The kid (as he is being known as) is underage for playing Destiny.
He was open to cheating to level up.
He let a stranger into his game to take over.

Now then if KirmitTHEfrog it to be banned then shouldn't the kid also be banned as he is not old enough to play Destiny further more he was willing to cheat to level up.
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Sounds a bit like victim blaming. I will attempt to address your concerns.

The ESRB are ratings by a third party, if someone falls below it they are required to have a parent purchase the game and give the permission to play. The mother seems very active in her child's video game hobby.

Some people on GAF seem to be putting their nose up in the air about his openness to cheating (ignoring that in Destiny a good population exploited loot drops and heavy ammo generating glitches). Being open to doing an action doesn't equate to doing the action.

If you watch the video he ended up trusting Kermit within their conversation, no longer a stranger to him. But nonetheless victim blaming a child for being trusting is low. There is no plausible reason why this kid also deserves a ban. "Being open to cheating is cheating" really?
 
B1G_A1AN said:
I have read about this on another site.

First what KirmitTHEfrog did was wrong, however:

The kid (as he is being known as) is underage for playing Destiny.
He was open to cheating to level up.
He let a stranger into his game to take over.

Now then if KirmitTHEfrog it to be banned then shouldn't the kid also be banned as he is not old enough to play Destiny further more he was willing to cheat to level up.
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Off topic but I've always wondered what the true sales of CoD, Destiny, etc. would be if age restrictions were rigorously applied and enforced. I suspect there would be a noticeable drop.

And no in this case I don't actually see banning the kid as an option given the circumstances. Had he been assisted in a glitch exploit that's bannable then maybe but as it stands you're talking at best intent that was never realized due to actions of the other guy whose actions should clearly result in a ban and if Sony want people to use SharePlay they're probably going to have to consider bans/enforcement of people abusing the function like this.
 
B1G_A1AN said:
I have read about this on another site.

First what KirmitTHEfrog did was wrong, however:

The kid (as he is being known as) is underage for playing Destiny.
He was open to cheating to level up.
He let a stranger into his game to take over.

Now then if KirmitTHEfrog it to be banned then shouldn't the kid also be banned as he is not old enough to play Destiny further more he was willing to cheat to level up.
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1. Ultimately his parents have the decision on what he does and doesn't play. If we followed your logic we all would probably be banned for playing an age restricted title as kids at one point or another.

2. You are discounting the hours upon hours of legitimate play he did to have two level 30 characters. Also, he was manipulated into cheating by an adult. When a 23 year old cruelly targets and exploits an 11 year old boy we see that as a teaching moment, not a reason to further punish an innocent kid. What that man did was disgusting.

3. This isn't some illegal workaround. It's Shareplay for christ's sake. An official Sony endorsed system feature. Developers that include it need to account for malicious behavior.
 
Storm360 said:
I think a PSN ban in total is far too much for this, It was someone's save data in a game, someone doesn't deserve to lose hundreds if not thousands in digital purchases over it
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Honestly? I agree that he doesn't deserve to lose hundreds or thousands of digital purchases. But I'm not sure what would warrant that and I think that's more a problem of the fact that if you get banned it shouldn't keep you from playing your games that you bought as long as they don't require online access rather than he shouldn't get banned from playing online with others.

It's a problem of both Sony's and MS's system that banning also takes away your digital purchases. It's one reason I don't like buying anything digital honestly (I think it's BS that you can have all your purchases taken away even if you actually did something to deserve getting banned). But I do think he should be banned from playing online though. At least temporarily as a first warning... maybe make it permenant if he once again trolls some one.

The only place I feel comfortable buying digitally is through GoG or some other way that doesn't rely on me having an account somewhere to play the game. Other than that it has to be really cheap (as I don't consider digital as something you get to keep but more of a allowed to play) or the only way to get it.

That being said, I still would want him banned. I don't think it's right how Sony (and MS) have the system set up, but I think it is serious enough to keep him from playing online. And maybe a temporary ban is more warranted this time (and permenant if he does it again), but I'm not going to feel too sad about him losing his stuff when he pretty much maliciously trolled some one (and the kid didn't do anything near the magnitude as the exploit he was doing would not really have affected anyone else that badly and wasn't malicious with intent to harm other people). The problem that should be fixed isn't not banning him but that having your account banned because of online stuff shouldn't mean you lost stuff you actually paid for. But then, chalk that up to another reason why people shouldn't be so happy about this move to digital (it puts more power in the hands of the corporations and you are only paying for their permission which they can easily take away at any time to play the game).

Nipo said:
If you're passing along information this is what tipped me into "Don't renew PS+" when my subscription expires in March. I spent too much time trying to avoid assholes in life to give Sony money to play video games with them. If they can't be bothered to ban trolls and racists from their service it isn't somewhere I want to spend money to be.
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And this is exactly why Sony (and Microsoft really cause both are bad though I suspect MS would have been quicker when PR got bad to actually address the issue) is foolish to ignore this and not try to curate their system. Cause then it just gets a reputation of a lot of trolls and chases people away from wanting to use it. Why should I care about playing online when it's just a bunch of trolls and assholes and nothing ever gets done except being told deal with it? Why should people want to play online with others when you just get punished if you play nicely by having to put up with all the assholes? Let them have it then... which of course creates more an atmosphere of just trolls and jerks on there when the nice players want nothing to do with it anymore.
 
I admit i was a little harsh in my original comment, i would like to address the replies below.

TP-DK said:
There's nothing illegal about playing a game aimed at an older target than you.
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Darryl M R said:
Sounds a bit like victim blaming. I will attempt to address your concerns.

The ESRB are ratings by a third party, if someone falls below it they are required to have a parent purchase the game and give the permission to play. The mother seems very active in her child's video game hobby.

Some people on GAF seem to be putting their nose up in the air about his openness to cheating (ignoring that in Destiny a good population exploited loot drops and heavy ammo generating glitches). Being open to doing an action doesn't equate to doing the action.

If you watch the video he ended up trusting Kermit within their conversation, no longer a stranger to him. But nonetheless victim blaming a child for being trusting is low. There is no plausible reason why this kid also deserves a ban. "Being open to cheating is cheating" really?
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ClearData said:
1. Ultimately his parents have the decision on what he does and doesn't play. If we followed your logic we all would probably be banned for playing an age restricted title as kids at one point or another.

2. You are discounting the hours upon hours of legitimate play he did to have two level 30 characters. Also, he was manipulated into cheating by an adult. When a 23 year old cruelly targets and exploits an 11 year old boy we see that as a teaching moment, not a reason to further punish an innocent kid. What that man did was disgusting.

3. This isn't some illegal workaround. It's Shareplay for christ's sake. An official Sony endorsed system feature. Developers that include it need to account for malicious behavior.
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Regarding the age issue, the problem i have is when a child accidently shoots a parent, or a teen shoots up a school & it is known they have played CoD, GTA etc then the games & Dev's/Pub's end up getting the blame.

The "he was willing to cheat" yes that is debatable i agree, he didn't cheat, however it could be argued that it is bordering on entrapment & law enforcement agencies have done & still fish for people like this, there were glitches in the game & think everyone did farm for drops in the caves & other locations.

Yes i do agree that i may have been harsh in my original comment on the child, i still feel uneasy though on how he could end up being so trusting to a stranger after such a short amount of time, i think that we have all at some point in our lives been taken advantage of & ended up realising too late.

I would also like to comment on
ClearData said:
2. You are discounting the hours upon hours of legitimate play he did to have two level 30 characters. Also, he was manipulated into cheating by an adult. When a 23 year old cruelly targets and exploits an 11 year old boy we see that as a teaching moment, not a reason to further punish an innocent kid. What that man did was disgusting.
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He did put in a lot of time & effort into the game & he was rewarded by the characters he had nurtured & the powers they had & i completely agree with "we see that as a teaching moment"

It is sad to say, but
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Regarding KirmitTHEfrog he has also put in a lot of time etc with all those Platinums & unless he has a history of abusing people via PSN a prema ban would be too much wouldn't it, i don't doubt that he will be receiving in-game street justice & also online issues.

This is the problem where the digital & real world meets & there will be more things like this happening in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmxEB-hZ_Ck
'Sheldon gets hacked on World of Warcraft'
 
B1G_A1AN said:
The "he was willing to cheat" yes that is debatable i agree, he didn't cheat, however it could be argued that it is bordering on entrapment & law enforcement agencies have done & still fish for people like this, there were glitches in the game & think everyone did farm for drops in the caves & other locations.
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Actually, entrapment is illegal and if it is found that the law enforcement used entrapment, the case can be dropped.

Regarding KirmitTHEfrog he has also put in a lot of time etc with all those Platinums & unless he has a history of abusing people via PSN a prema ban would be too much wouldn't it, i don't doubt that he will be receiving in-game street justice & also online issues.
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I might be ok with a permaban might be too much (honestly, I wouldn't be upset if he got a permaban), but he at least should get temporarily banned with a warning if he's found again doing stuff maliciously to others that it will be permenant next time. At least for a good amount of time that will hurt (make him wish he wasn't banned and not just go, "ah, I can go do other stuff til I am allowed again"). Also, this isn't the first time he's done this...
 
Tigress said:
I might be ok with a permaban might be too much (honestly, I wouldn't be upset if he got a permaban), but he at least should get temporarily banned with a warning if he's found again doing stuff maliciously to others that it will be permenant next time. At least for a good amount of time that will hurt (make him wish he wasn't banned and not just go, "ah, I can go do other stuff til I am allowed again"). Also, this isn't the first time he's done this...
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Well if it isn't the first time he has done something like this, then that is a completely different matter & maybe does deserve a permaban?
 
mhayze said:
On a semi-related note, what is it with variants of the name 'kermit'? I have run into any number of trolls called variants of Kermit, and also heard of / read many stories of trolling by characters named variants of Kermit.

I get that Kermit the frog was a muppet. Frog = toad? Therefore troll? Is there some history to this name beyond that, that makes it a magnet for a-holes?
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Kermit is a smug son of a bitch. You seen the way he drinks his tea?
 
B1G_A1AN said:
I admit i was a little harsh in my original comment, i would like to address the replies below.







Regarding the age issue, the problem i have is when a child accidently shoots a parent, or a teen shoots up a school & it is known they have played CoD, GTA etc then the games & Dev's/Pub's end up getting the blame.

The "he was willing to cheat" yes that is debatable i agree, he didn't cheat, however it could be argued that it is bordering on entrapment & law enforcement agencies have done & still fish for people like this, there were glitches in the game & think everyone did farm for drops in the caves & other locations.

Yes i do agree that i may have been harsh in my original comment on the child, i still feel uneasy though on how he could end up being so trusting to a stranger after such a short amount of time, i think that we have all at some point in our lives been taken advantage of & ended up realising too late.

I would also like to comment on


He did put in a lot of time & effort into the game & he was rewarded by the characters he had nurtured & the powers they had & i completely agree with "we see that as a teaching moment"

It is sad to say, but
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Regarding KirmitTHEfrog he has also put in a lot of time etc with all those Platinums & unless he has a history of abusing people via PSN a prema ban would be too much wouldn't it, i don't doubt that he will be receiving in-game street justice & also online issues.

This is the problem where the digital & real world meets & there will be more things like this happening in the future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmxEB-hZ_Ck
'Sheldon gets hacked on World of Warcraft'
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You know that entrapment can have serious cases removed. No one is arguing that this isn't a learning lesson for this kid, the thing no one can disagree on is that you have to be a sad type of person to want to "teach" this lesson in this manner. Let kids be kids.


http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/05/us/missouri-fake-kidnapping/
 
Wow, my friends and I always joke about doing this to each other. Didn't think someone would really be such an ass as to do it though. I felt bad for the kid.

Some of these posts though... He's just a kid, damn.
 
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