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[Computron]

What is the sound issue in Halo 3 people are having?

surround sound on my headphones (px51) is all kinds of fucked. Halo 2 as well..


essentially the bass is way to loud in Halo 2 , as well as in Halo 3 and the position of audio in Halo 3 is weird. warthogs across the map sound distinctly as though they are a couple dozen feet directly in front and to the left of you, despite them being far further away and in the opposite direction. (I always get caught off guard by this without fail, every time I feel like I am moments away from being flattened or gunned down and it turns out the hog is far far away) other times it feels like you have no stereo separation, like everything is kinda mono or originating in the center of your head. Not just hogs, anything with loud bass seems to be affected.

The visuals in Halo 3 are also washed out. and overly bright.

 

[Foolishfellow]

He does say the game is not working for most people, and working for some, the game does work for me but I do know it can work better. Maybe he should have said "Some users doesn't have problems playing, but the game isn't working how it should.".

I'm pointing out that they are trying to spin this and frame it around the "working for some" narrative/myth.

What you just said above suggests that the game does not work for you either, since you go on to say "I do know that it can work better." I don't want to engage in a semantic argument about this, but I'm simply pointing that out.

Any number of bugs that can be found in various community bug reports are repeatable across all environments and networks. Matchmaking stability is a huge problem (and should probably be priority #1), but it has taken over 100 days and they still haven't been able to fix it. There are still tons of "Priority Level High" tickets that need to be resolved, and the fact of the matter remains that it's a huge hassle to return digital copies of this game and impossible to return physical copies since Microsoft continually falls back on the "game works for some" stability related myth.

 

[AnonomissX]

343i continually spins all criticism by making claims that the "game works for some." Seriously, ad nauseam all we hear from Stinkles, Microsoft (including their phone help/chat help reps), and 343i is "the game works for some."

"The game works for some" is complete and utter bullshit. This plus the fact that all they're apparently working on with their "content updates" (a term they apparently coined) is matchmaking/party stability is an absolute joke.

I keep saying this over and over again. In order for this game to be "fixed" this game needs to be funded like a game currently at the height of it's dev cycle. Vast portions of the game need to be completely re-written, sound needs to be mixed properly, hell, even a cinematic needs to be re-done.

I don't want this game as it currently exists. I want the game that they advertised (apparently falsely). The one that convinced me to purchase this 400 dollar console.

QFT + 1million

 

[SatansReverence]

Stinkles on 02/19/2015: "People have every right to be annoyed. Part of the problem with the underlying issue is its inconsistency. You're having a good experience. We have players who don't encounter any issues at all (outside of long matchmaking times)..."

Stinkles, the Microsoft chat reps who I had to speak with to get a refund on my digital copy, and 343i all continually claim that there is some magical subset of Halo: MCC users "who don't encounter any issues at all." That is PR spin at its finest, and utter bullshit.

Actually, they are looking at the waypoint forums where people will claim all day every day that MCC is 100% problem free.

 

[GnawtyDog]

I accidentally turned my Xbox One on, so I figured, eh, what the hell.

Loaded up BTB, took too long to find a match, but yay, koth on Infinity! Wow, even teams! I hadn't played Infinity on MCC yet, so that's exciting. Game hangs at "Connecting to session." Uh oh. Get the host migration message before the load screen even pops up. Fantastic. Game starts, other team is down two guys. Game is laggy. Die once, hangs on waiting for space to clear, Game Over.

I have serious doubts about this patch. The staggering incompetence and apathy displayed by 343 so far inspires little faith. At best matchmaking will be noticeably better. But there are so many issues and so much missing functionality that we will never get our promised "just as you remember" experience.

We'll never gets emblems displayed in Halo 2, because 343 was too lazy to include emblems on a game by game basis. That's okay, I don't need to tell the difference between my friends and randoms. Exactly as it shipped ten years ago!

We'll never get to mix and match armor in Halo 3 and 4, because that would require a tiny bit of effort. We'll never get the missing armor sets either. Why? Because again, effort.

Could they put online co-op on dedicated servers? You know, to make it remotely playable? Sure they could. Will they? No. Effort.

The theater issues? Forge? Saved films? File share? I can't see them putting in the effort.

Dedicated servers? They'll probably just find a way to more efficiently hide the fact that they aren't working.

You think they'll ever fix the sound in Halo 3? Maybe. It's too noticeable to hide forever. I put this one at 50/50.

Lighting and effects issues in Halo 4? They might fix this, since it's their own baby.

We're so beaten at this point we'll be content with the network issues being resolved, but we shouldn't be. We deserve a fix and implementation of all of these. We deserve a fully functioning Master Chief Collection. But we won't get it. Because they don't care. They got people like me to buy an Xbox One. They'll most likely get the network to a barely passable state and, outside of a playlist update or two, just walk away. On to Halo 5.

Compensation, you say? One map for a game that only has six! Six! Anniversary multiplayer was one of their main selling points! Gee, thanks for the effort. Another campaign!? Something that runs on the same engine as a game that was already ported?! Gosh I'll bet that took a lot of effort to drag and drop ODST in there.

Yeah, I just typed a huge rant that no one is going to read or respond to, and at the end of the day, even though everyone here loves them dearly, we shouldn't get worked up too much over video games. But for me, as a consumer, as a long time Xbox customer, the disrespect here is the big problem. We've got 343 mouthpieces with the unmitigated gall to tell us they didn't see this coming until it was released. That the dedicated servers are working most of the time. These are lies. Microsoft has zero respect for me. They lied to me, took my $460, gave me a barely functioning game in return, and then lied to me some more. And I hate to be that guy who throws a fit and says "you just lost a customer," but right now it's hard to see myself making another major Xbox purchase ever again.

Exactly as it shipped ten years ago!

Can't believe I can't get a refund for this.[

When did you buy the game?Did you buy it at launch?

No refund seems high up in the BS meter but if you put up for most of the first month then there is really nothing you can do except having your faith not being rewarded - which sucks.

At which point you have to question yourself and ask if you'll reward them again, in-kind.

 

[Gestault]

I can now specifically call out framerate problems in H1A split-screen coop in certain levels (which weren't a problem in other campaigns for coop). A playable but obviously sub-par performance meant I was more often than not switching over to classic mode. Which admittedly ran beautifully, but still.

Also, I couldn't get the warthog down to the silent cartographer, which made me sad.

 

[MAX PAYMENT]

Where's this damn update?

 

[Finaj]

343i continually spins all criticism by making claims that the "game works for some." Seriously, ad nauseam all we hear from Stinkles, Microsoft (including their phone help/chat help reps), and 343i is "the game works for some."

"The game works for some" is complete and utter bullshit. This plus the fact that all they're apparently working on with their "content updates" (a term they apparently coined) is matchmaking/party stability is an absolute joke.

I keep saying this over and over again. In order for this game to be "fixed" this game needs to be funded like a game currently at the height of it's dev cycle. Vast portions of the game need to be completely re-written, sound needs to be mixed properly, hell, even a cinematic needs to be re-done.

I don't want this game as it currently exists. I want the game that they advertised (apparently falsely). The one that convinced me to purchase this 400 dollar console.

I'm one of those people. I haven't had any major issues since mid December.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Where's this damn update?

It's in certification, so probably early this week.

 

[mike4001_]

I hope they also let us know what exactly these fundamental changes were they implemented and why they didn´t do it that way in the first place

Kind of interested in that stuff.

 

[BeforeU]

I need this update. I have all my friends on stand by. I am not having trouble playing solo, its the party system that's messed up for me.

 

[Akai__]

Where's this damn update?

It's in certification mode. There's a risk that it doesn't pass certification, like the prior patches. Those certification processes also can 2 weeks. They better makes this patch a priority.

 

[mike4001_]

They better makes this patch a priority.

I think they did with most HALO patches.

 

[The Artisan]

as I've stated in the beta update program thread, I knew multiplayer was a big focus of halo, but I never knew it was THE main focus. I thought halo's campaigns were also a big part of it, not to say they aren't, but it seems as though the vast majority care about the multiplayer, just like cod.

Master Chief is indeed one of gaming's biggest icons and that's because he's been kept there consistently with all halo games. cod's never had a singular encompassing protagonist.

so then it is accurate to say that the most important thing about halo is its multiplayer then? to make an analogy, if sony were to come out with an uncharted trilogy collection (uncharted is arguably playstation's biggest franchise right now) and the game launched with broken fucking multiplayer, I don't there would be as many people throwing hissy fits about it as there were/are for MCC. and that's because, although uncharted multiplayer is enjoyable and integral to uncharted now, the games' biggest and main feature is its campaign.

 

[Gestault]

so then it is accurate to say that the most important thing about halo is its multiplayer then?

It really depends on the player, but I think the growth of Halo as a series had a lot to do with splitscreen/LAN and then online multiplayer exposing people to it socially, even if many do play it for campaign and coop. It is/was a massive series because it served so many interests.

 

[Spineker]

This is one of gamings great disgraces. What has the Halo franchise become?

 

[The Artisan]

It really depends on the player, but I think the growth of Halo as a series had a lot to do with splitscreen/LAN and then online multiplayer exposing people to it socially, even if many do play it for campaign and coop. It is/was a massive series because it served so many interests.

alright, makes sense. so campaign is important, but mp is more vital to a series like this than it is to uncharted.

This is one of gamings great disgraces. What has the Halo franchise become?

uh, it's still probably the 3rd or 4th most iconic video game franchise of all time...

 

[Foolishfellow]

I'm one of those people. I haven't had any major issues since mid December.

They must have shipped that super top secret non-beta version of MCC to you on accident. The one that doesn't have any of the high priority issues that are documented across multiple community bug reports. If only they'd release your version of the game to the masses.

 

[Computer]

The issues happen when playing with friends.

 

[Flipyap]

uh, it's still probably the 3rd or 4th most iconic video game franchise of all time...

I'm going to say that's unlikely since it's always been niche franchise in Europe and buried deep under masturbation aid software for the Vita in Asia.

 

[Jomjom]

uh, it's still probably the 3rd or 4th most iconic video game franchise of all time...

Maybe (still doubt it) in the US. Globally? Not even in the top ten.

Just Nintendo itself would take up the top 3 or 4.

 

[Finaj]

They must have shipped that super top secret non-beta version of MCC to you on accident. The one that doesn't have any of the high priority issues that are documented across multiple community bug reports. If only they'd release your version of the game to the masses.

No, I just play solo. I'm sure many people playing in parties are having lots of problems.

 

[Mr Swine]

How much did MCC sell in the US so far? I'm still shocked that they could release a collection like this and not fix all the bugs :/

 

[Foolishfellow]

No, I just play solo. I'm sure many people playing in parties are having lots of problems.

Many of the major issues that plague this title have nothing to do with solo vs. party play. See any number of community bug reports.

I also highly doubt that you somehow cured the game's poor matchmaking stability by playing solo only. When playing solo many (including myself) have noticed marginal improvements, but that doesn't mean it's not unacceptably bad.

 

[Gestault]

They must have shipped that super top secret non-beta version of MCC to you on accident. The one that doesn't have any of the high priority issues that are documented across multiple community bug reports. If only they'd release your version of the game to the masses.

Many of the major issues that plague this title have nothing to do with solo vs. party play. See any number of community bug reports.

I also highly doubt that you somehow cured the game's poor matchmaking stability by playing solo only. When playing solo many (including myself) have noticed marginal improvements, but that doesn't mean it's not unacceptably bad.

Just as much as you're right to say that an anecdote doesn't prove the a game is fixed, you're off-base accusing someone of lying about their use-case with a game. People will have different definitions of "broken" (ranging from the overt to nuanced), and a game with the variety of content in a package like this exacerbates that reality. Simply not playing in parties has meant I've encountered no serious issues with matchmaking, even with split-screen online for Halo 2 Classic. You've made your concerns about 343 indelibly clear, but policing discussion by jumping on the people who are sharing their experience on account of they didn't have a miserable time goes beyond reasonable.

 

[Welfare]

How much did MCC sell in the US so far? I'm still shocked that they could release a collection like this and not fix all the bugs :/

All we know is >1m by January 3rd.

 

[Spasm]

The issues happen when playing with friends.

I don't have any friends, and have to put up with plenty of issues.

 

[The Artisan]

I'm going to say that's unlikely since it's always been niche franchise in Europe and buried deep under masturbation aid software for the Vita in Asia.

it's an fps franchise, not exactly what we consider niche man

Maybe (still doubt it) in the US. Globally? Not even in the top ten.

Just Nintendo itself would take up the top 3 or 4.

this is the xbox's biggest franchise, and it's not in the top 10

 

[Mendax]

it's an fps franchise, not exactly what we consider niche man

this is the xbox's biggest franchise, and it's not in the top 10

xbox hasnt been around for a long time and xbox isnt that big in the rest of the world.

 

[The_Dama]

Tried playing today for an hour.

Uneven teams (3v4,4v5) every single game.
Ranking all over the place resulting in single sided blowout matches.
Quitters and inactive players all over the place.
Menu glitches where the Back button doesn't show up after the game causing me to restart the game.
Game start but I'm stuck in a pre-launch window where nothing is happening for 3 minutes.
And lag, dont forget the fricking lag.

FUCK YOU 343

 

[MilitanT07]

Does the single player still work well?

I beat the game on normal (1-4), used to save and quit and random points. No problems what-so-ever.

 

[The Artisan]

xbox hasnt been around for a long time and xbox isnt that big in the rest of the world.

it's not as popular elsewhere outside of here but the xbox brand has been around for over 10 years and while that's not very long compared to some others, i'd still say that makes gives a significant place in video game history/culture or what have you.

 

[The Henery]

I'm going to say that's unlikely since it's always been niche franchise in Europe

No. Madden is a niche franchise in Europe. We've had midnight openings for every mainline Halo game here in the UK. It's a year on year chart topper (MCC not withstanding).

 

[Jomjom]

it's an fps franchise, not exactly what we consider niche man

this is the xbox's biggest franchise, and it's not in the top 10

Your wording was "all time". ALL TIME. Yeah I'm pretty comfortable saying its not top 10 globally. Like i said if you meant US, then sure. Or if you meant recent times I'll give you that too.

 

[justsomeguy]

I hope they also let us know what exactly these fundamental changes were they implemented and why they didn´t do it that way in the first place

Kind of interested in that stuff.

Me too. Would love a genuine deep dive post -mortem, trouble is there will be too many reasons they can't do it publicly.

As a dev team lead I want to know what I can learn from the things that went wrong.

 

[The Artisan]

Your wording was "all time". ALL TIME. Yeah I'm pretty comfortable saying its not top 10 globally. Like i said if you meant US, then sure. Or if you meant recent times I'll give you that too.

I meant all time. So I was mistaken. I was under the impression that although the xbox brand isn't the strongest in gaming everywhere, that halo was just THAT much of a killer app series.

 

[funkypie]

I meant all time. So I was mistaken. I was under the impression that although the xbox brand isn't the strongest in gaming everywhere, that halo was just THAT much of a killer app series.

Well it's not .

 

[The Artisan]

Well it's not .

and still, it manages to sell and become of the best selling video game franchises ever.

 

[HTupolev]

as I've stated in the beta update program thread, I knew multiplayer was a big focus of halo, but I never knew it was THE main focus. I thought halo's campaigns were also a big part of it, not to say they aren't, but it seems as though the vast majority care about the multiplayer, just like cod.

The unusually large MP focus in discussions is because of what MCC offers versus what's available elsewhere. Almost all of the single-player gameplay functionality exists on oXbox or 360. Combine that with the MP being the part of the collection that's most broken, and there you go. Much more room for discussion and tears.

Also, even many people who significantly identify as "campaign players" will spend most of their time in the MP. It's simply more convenient as a social timesink.

 

[The Artisan]

The unusually large MP focus in discussions is because of what MCC offers versus what's available elsewhere. Almost all of the single-player gameplay functionality exists on oXbox or 360. Combine that with the MP being the part of the collection that's most broken, and there you go. Much more room for discussion and tears.

I understand, but I also see that this is collectively 4 different halo games with full playable campaigns. but the mp being sooo broken bringing down its value/quality by that much. I know it promised something like 100+ mp maps, I thought that was the collection of them all throughout the 4 games. for mp to matter that much has to obviously meant it's mattered that much all this time that the franchise has been relevant.

 

[Flipyap]

No. Madden is a niche franchise in Europe. We've had midnight openings for every mainline Halo game here in the UK. It's a year on year chart topper (MCC not withstanding).

Except yes. UK is the exception here. Xbox had much smaller (and in some cases no) presence in continental Europe, with many countries not getting official Xbox Live support until well into the 360's life cycle, you can imagine how that can affect the popularity of a multiplayer shooter.

 

[AdaWong]

Is it possible for 343 to get sued?

 

[no maam]

Is this game really still that broken? I played through the campaigns and had a good experience. There were definitely frame drops, but nothing that would ruin my experience. As for mp, I had no problem getting into matches, I played a bunch of team slayer, btb,etc. I did have the 3vs5 starts, but I haven't touched it since the halo 5 beta. I haven't tried playing with a party so I can't vouch for that, but overall I had a great time. I think it's shitty that people are still having problems, and while my experience was great, the majority have not. For that I hope they correct the problem and compensate the people who feel ripped off. Looking forward to halo 5 and I have no gripes with 343, just wish they(ms) didn't launch a game that obviously wasn't ready.

 

[Nowise10]

Is this game really still that broken? I played through the campaigns and had a good experience. There were definitely frame drops, but nothing that would ruin my experience. As for mp, I had no problem getting into matches, I played a bunch of team slayer, btb,etc. I did have the 3vs5 starts, but I haven't touched it since the halo 5 beta. I haven't tried playing with a party so I can't vouch for that, but overall I had a great time. I think it's shitty that people are still having problems, and while my experience was great, the majority have not. For that I hope they correct the problem and compensate the people who feel ripped off. Looking forward to halo 5 and I have no gripes with 343, just wish they(ms) didn't launch a game that obviously wasn't ready.

Campaign isn't really the biggest issue. Their are bugs with it, like missions sometimes will skip doing playlist, blowing up empty vehicles give you a score penalty, and some other small stuff like that, that is mildly irritating. I know the game crashes sometimes for some people though, especially during specific missions like Assault on the Control room in Halo:CE, or the final boss in Halo 2. Frame Rate drops will never be fixed, but I really don't think that it is an issue, because it rarely ever happens, and if it does it for a couple seconds.

Multiplayer has the biggest issues, with it being extremely frustrating to just play a simple match on Halo correctly.

 

[HTupolev]

I understand, but I also see that this is collectively 4 different halo games with full playable campaigns. but the mp being sooo broken bringing down its value/quality by that much.

This is basic supply and demand shit. I love Halo's campaigns, and still play them occasionally today. But (especially as I guessed correctly that they'd be poor ports) outside of 1080p60 they offer fairly little that I don't already have. I wouldn't have bothered getting an XB1 and MCC for just the campaigns, for the same reason that I don't go on Amazon and get new copies of Halo's 1, 2, 3, and 4 every few months.

When I say that I purchased an XB1 and MCC mostly for the sake of playing Halo 1's MP online in the console space, although I'm very obviously placing a lot of value on said MP, this should not be confused with me saying that I value Halo 1's MP higher than I value Halo 1's SP. It simply says that the MP is the difference that the MCC makes to my collection.

 

[The Artisan]

This is basic supply and demand shit. I love Halo's campaigns, and still play them occasionally today. But (especially as I guessed correctly that they'd be poor ports) outside of 1080p60 they offer fairly little that I don't already have. I wouldn't have bothered getting an XB1 and MCC for just the campaigns, for the same reason that I don't go on Amazon and get new copies of Halo's 1, 2, 3, and 4 every few months.

When I say that I purchased an XB1 and MCC mostly for the sake of playing Halo 1's MP online in the console space, although I'm very obviously placing a lot of value on said MP, this should not be confused with me saying that I value Halo 1's MP higher than I value Halo 1's SP. It simply says that the MP is the difference that the MCC makes to my collection.

Okay. So far all the glory that halo's had from its mp popularities, one of MCC's specific highlights was supposed to be the mp.

if I were to buy an xbone, it'd be the first xbox I ever owned and I'd get the mcc and i'd be most excited to play the campaigns. but, that pretty much does go with what you said. most people who are into uncharted are probably long time fans of the series, i'm not sure how many new people have jumped on with the MCC

 

[Prologue]

It's in certification, so probably early this week.

I haven't seen any news regarding certification?

 

[mrg6290]

I haven't seen any news regarding certification?

It was in the latest community update on Waypoint. I'll link to it soon if someone else doesn't beat me.

Here it is:
https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/community/blog-posts/halo-community-update-2-27-15

 

[Welfare]

 

[Diablohead]

You would think they would delete the news article about how to get in to testing the beta update, it's still there.