"Previously Recorded" review The Order 1886
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ArkkAngel007
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WordsintheWater
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I personally don't believe we got the intended product, there's a bit of evidence in the game that they had loftier ambitions that were cut either due to time or to make a sequel. The whole
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More_Badass
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But there is a correlation between that and calling people "two chimpanzees".You think there's a correlation between
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Your a man of extremes.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
My opinion is that it is probably both. The graphics being the best and "only" objectively good thing about th game sort of seals that yes, it is, but the way they ended up designing the game and its flow definitely had some sort of ambitious goal/experiment involved that came from some creatives that don't really seem to care as much about gameplay as story/experience/presentation.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Jesus, I'm just playing with words. For goodness sake, don't take things too seriously. You'll know when I'm being serious. It appears to me that it's the people who defend the negative reviews that have the most problem. It's as if there's something wrong with you if you actually like The Order.
WordsintheWater
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That's where the problem lies with this whole game, it's trying to fit in gameplay into it's story when it should have fit story into it's gameplay. I know this game has issues trust me, played it through twice, watched and read many impressions and reviews. I just didn't particularly mind that scene on the docks because of them actively shooting you.
More_Badass
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You did say you were serious about that comment, in the comment, and I've never seen your posts before. So you know, sometimes hard to judge sarcasm online
call_kotaku
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general thread shitting or "lol didn't read/watch" stuff is dangerous territory, especially in a thread where someone got banned for doing exactly the same thing. Even if you're "having a joke" you're still adding nothing to the discussion
Unless there is something extraordinary fucked up with the game's engine that requires such limited gameplay, this game was either rushed as fuck or the developers actually intended for this to be the final product. Hell, the interesting or unique weaponry could've been normal weapons that get cycled in and out for other odd weapons, enemies could've been using those weapons as well.
There were a ton of third person shooters last gen, combat and design in linear third person shooters has sorta been "perfected". You start out fighting normal dudes, more varied enemies come into play, different weapons with very different attributes get thrown in and out, making a fun and competent shooter isn't rocket science anymore.
Even if the game was rushed, there was a lot more emphasis on presentation and cutscenes than moment to moment gameplay. Conceptually the game could've been a wild and fucked up shooter with tons of weird weapons and enemies, the player frantically trying to combat a variety of creatures using bizarre weapons and technology.
So, if the game wasn't rushed, the final product is all sorts of messed up. If rushed, their priorities and what they tried to accomplish with the storytelling is still really bad.
Metal Gear Rising was a quickly developed game that was short but had a complete story, there really wasn't bait for a sequel. The Order seemingly had a lot more time in the oven and yet the story is cryptic and abrupt as can be.
thunder_snail
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There's a difference between public criticism (which most of the review is and rightfully so, because everything they say about the game from gameplay to story are true) and public shaming.
A commercial product is still made by people who put love into the work. I'm saying even if it's for good fun, it's not very nice to publicly shame the devs. Also about the example, it's not about the money, products etc. It's about you putting love and effort into something. It doesn't matter if it's to be given away for free, or be sold for a price.
The entire video was fun and enjoyable but that last burning part left a foul taste in my mouth. I'm sure it did for many others as well.
WordsintheWater
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At first I brought up those same points, as you can see on the previous page, but many posters here actually explained the issue they had with it and I completely understand. I personally do not have a huge issue with the whole docks scene, the line he says before it makes it worse for me though. The scene I take big time issue with is the Agamemnon and the sneaking mission to a bit lesser extent.
Palculator
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Nobody is making that claim at all. Neither the reviewers, nor the people agreeing with reviewers. This thread is concerned with The Order, not The Order's fanbase.
'Defensive bullshit'.. Quite aggressive for someone easily offended by 'immature' Youtube videos intended to be funny. It wasn't my intention to insult you and I didn't, it was just a guess. But lets stop the personal stuff, shall we.
Destroying bad media in a creative way, especially movies, is kind of a RLM trademark on their show 'Best of the Worst'. That's why they said something like 'We never did this on this show' and thought it would be a good time for some crossover references/jokes. They're just some friends sitting together recording their discussions in this sort of intimate atmosphere and therefore don't shy away from harsh language, like most of people wouldn't in such a situation. They made a series of shows that live from the fun which arises from such atmosphere, compared to some more 'professional' podcasts.
They also invite the producers of some of the films they bashed on the most and some of them already came as guests, demonstrating a good sense of humour themselves. They had some great talks with those people and got some perspective on the production. They showed respect to each other.
I hope this explains a little why I find it really exaggerated to be so offended about this. I feel like this could only happen if this was the first RLM 'review' someone watched. You can dislike their style, sure, I won't complain about that.
DragonSworne
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I havem't played the game yet but to me it seems like the hate the Order is getting is irrational. It seems like a mob effect has taken ahold of this game. The hate is so srrong that people are making unitentional retroactive claims that games like the Last of Us are terrible.
viveks86
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I don't think it's a corporate art cash-in. I just think it's a product that fell short of expectations set both internally and externally. Pretty sure RAD was proud of what they delivered. Curious to find out what they think now. Hopefully this has given them a reality check so they can pick themselves up, take a step back, do a serious post mortem and try again.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Oh, God ... LOL. I guess it's a British thing and I should take that into consideration. I'm getting on a bit and in my day we had a thing called 'dry' humour, which is sarcasm turned down a notch or two. I'm not patronising you here, it's just I don't see it used very often and it definitely suffers in translation through text. I'm actually making a point that I consider valid but I'm dressing it up slightly. I really do think these two are rather juvenile and I really couldn't watch all of it. I did however value some of what Angry Joe said about the game.
thunder_snail
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It's clearly stated on the OP that it is a review. May be the OP should change the thread title?
Also I really thought it was a serious review until then because they did better job at reviewing the game compared to many other sites that do serious reviews.
Man where the hell were all these people complaining about "unprofessional" reviews when Sonic Boom came out? I mean, I'm pretty sure the team behind that game had to work really hard to get it released on time, yet the game was unfairly bombarded with unprofessional insulting reviews when it came out.
The above is largely sarcasm, but it feels strange that only now people are complaining about reviews being too harsh when Sonic Boom was being used by everyone to shit on a franchise, publisher, developer, and fans of the franchise several months ago.
That's what I gather from most people on GAF tbh.
Yeah I really hate seeing Sonic threads getting shitted on with this. Sonic Boom isn't an example of a typical fucking Sonic game. It wasn't even made by Sonic Team.
More_Badass
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Just checked out the docks section online and to be fair, Galahad and the woman were non-lethal until he gets shot at by a sniper and then he starts using guns
Got it. Your refined British humor is too complex for my American sensibilities
A sub group of Red Letter Media that plays videogames and critiques them made a video about a recent release. How in the fuck does this fall in line with "they're part of the mob" mentality? These dudes barely pay attention to videogame media and reviews, they play games willy nilly and then talk about them.
At this point some of should just post "people not liking this thing or not liking this thing in a specific way makes me really angry and sad, please shut up because I'm upset."
agreed. the end of this video reminded me of a video done by alex lifschitz where he rants and raves about the state of video games, holds up a copy of gta, says it's not a game and then breaks it to the cheering of the 30-ish ppl in the audience.
Cool.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Just checked out the docks section online and to be fair, Galahad and the woman were non-lethal until he gets shot at by a sniper.
Got it. Your refined British humor is too complex for my American sensibilities
Oh ... bugger ...
freenudemacusers
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still makes me lol. if this were a f2p mobile atrocity would anyone care?
The problem is that in The Order, there is no justification aside from 'they shot first', something which in the context of the story should not lead to an instant killing spree.
In Uncharted
you always fight an obvious bad guy that has hired an army of mercenaries specifically to kill you in a pulpy adventure. The tone of the story is completely different and all of the bad guys are obviously bad; they either have been specifically sent to kill you, are destroying a Nepalese mountain village, or are intentionally helping the obvious bad guy in achieving his or her evil goal.
In Assassin's Creed,
you are an Assassin, which in the game's context is enough justification for killing any target and the people specifically there to guard them. Killing people other than the main targets is mostly optional with a few exceptions, and there are non-lethal options available through which you can avoid unnecessary lethal conflict. the bad guys are also mostly obviously bad.
In Tomb Raider,
you are stranded alone on an island with a murderous cult of crazy people. I repeat; A murderous cult of crazy people.
you are a noble knight of The Order, who for some reason takes the vague statements of the most wanted enemy (who is also responsible for the death of his mentor) of his Order at face value and agrees to go with her under the sole condition that they will not murder innocents, yet then instantly switches to murdering spree mode after a single shot was fired by a guard and proceeds to murder dozens of guards that are probably just doing their job of protecting the docks from ARMED TRESPASSERS, one of which is known as the LEADER OF THE REBELLION. These guards were probably not even part of / aware of any conspiracy, and Galahad sure as hell didn't know about a conspiracy at the time he gunned them down. He even stabs a person dead who was not even aware of his presence. He then also murders several people when infiltrating the EIC headquarters, despite being perfectly able to simply non-lethally subdue them. And earlier in the game, he just stabs to death everyone he encounters on the air ship, despite being perfectly able to incapacitate those people non-lethally.
Yeah sure, there's the "he doesn't know who the good guys are and who aren't"-throwaway-lines; do those justify stabbing dozens of possibly innocent people dead vs. non-lethally subduing them? No, not really.
Palculator
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still makes me lol. if this were a f2p mobile atrocity would anyone care?
Nah. And I think if those people were aware of RLM "modus operandi" they wouldn't be surprised about this either. It's kinda like AVGN had scenes were he just straight-up shat a fat load of dhiarrea on games he didn't like. Par for the course in AVGN reviews.
Also, if it was mobile they would've had to burn a phone, heh.
still makes me lol. if this were a f2p mobile atrocity would anyone care?
No, much like no one cares when everyone craps on some Adam Sandler movie even though I'm sure some talented cameramen worked on it.
Its a very big difference because their two very different intros, i liked them both for different reasons.
WordsintheWater
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I agree with most of what you said, those game's do justify it way better than the Order does, shouldn't have even brought them up, I was wrong. As for the bolded, even him saying that there still is no justification that was straight up dumb
Maybe you could just play the game and see if the criticism is warranted or now?
Or maybe you should actually be open to the idea that games should be criticised if the deserve being criticised?
thunder_snail
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Man, I don't think I watch enough youtube videos, I didn't know public shaming has become a normal thing.
I recently finished the Order and thought it was most spectacular terrible game ever made. Turned on the review to have a good laugh and then BAM. Unjustified hate.
Why can't someone just enjoy the story (or anything for that matter) I don't understand why there has to be another flawed reason for a persons opinion?
I think it was executed fine (again, story, not talking about gameplay but even that seems to be over blown by critics )
Maybe this game was made for me, who knows
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It's a very big difference because the only similarity s that they're linear, there are huge differences in storytelling, freedom, input, interaction, etc than the intro to the order. Which is why one is hated and the other is praised.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They have said that they would probably hate the Uncharted games too, so they know. lol
Martin Luther King approves.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Uncharted 4 will most certainly deliver if ND's track record is any indication.
perineumlick
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I'm 46 years old, so yeah; something like this maybe I just don't get. I never said I was "offended", and you were projecting a lot of assumptions on me. I don't find it funny, and I really don't feel there's any conspiracy behind that opinion; you say it as if the only reason to dislike their type of style is if one doesn't "get it", or isn't familiar with their work, which I obviously don't agree with. To each his own.
In fairness, there have been many incidents since the game came out that I've observed where certain posters dropped into completely unrelated threads for the express purpose of taking potshots at people who liked The Order.
There's also posts like this in this very thread:
Which are most certainly directed at fans of the game, not the game itself, no?
Chances are, but then, so did The Last of Us, and the amount of bitterness you see directed at that game on Neogaf every time there is a thread on it is pretty OTT.
Guaranteed UC4 is going to get the same. Probably worse.
You can enjoy whatever you want - many people love terrible things, myself included!
They're just showcasing how The Order fails on a storytelling level. Whether or not you still enjoy the result is up to you.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I don't know about higher difficulties, but the enemies on normal aren't anything special. And the werewolves just use the same brain dead charge and retreat tactic in a loop.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea a very small minority of users. Some of the criticisms for TLOU are valid. It's not a perfect game. With the Order it seems the people who actually like the game are the minority.
This thread is amazing.
CassidyIzABeast
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Bigger ambitions for the lycan encounters maybe but I think every thing else is delivered as intended. When you look at it as a tv show their weird story choices start to make sense. The mysterious hooded man, tv trope. The unresolved sexual tension between the male and female leads, tv trope.
Lucan's death
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I don't mind these guys but they certainly did a bit of cherry picking in trying to make the game look bad.
For instance I thought it was badass that Tesla was like your "Q" in the game. He created some pretty cool shit, but they choose to ignore that, and focus on a scope in an effort to make the game look bad.
Also what's with the spoiler heavy video review? Is this done purposely to try and hurt sales, because the game wasn't liked?
For instance I thought it was badass that Tesla was like your "Q" in the game. He created some pretty cool shit, but they choose to ignore that, and focus on a scope in an effort to make the game look bad.
Also what's with the spoiler heavy video review? Is this done purposely to try and hurt sales, because the game wasn't liked?
I refuse to believe this is a real question.
Game has been out for a while now, it's a long form video of their time with the game. It would be incredibly boring and worthless if they didn't go in-depth and spoil the game. How can they shit on the story if they can't really talk about it in detail?
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