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[Shito]

I suppose a lot of the people arguing that there is no reason why raids in Destiny can't have matchmaking are people who never played said raids in Destiny.
I know it because I used to think that as well. After finishing my first raid with friends, I changed my mind completely: there is no way I would have spent more than 8 hours trying to beat this content with random people, with no assurance that they would even have a mic to begin with. Some would have quit long before, included myself, and I would have never experienced the joy of overcoming a difficult task by slowly tying up a group of players together, getting better at their tasks slowly try after try. And we all insisted because we were in this together; and because we organized our play time around this activity. We did not just click on a button in the game with a "let's see..." mentality: we knew it were going to be long, and the fact that we had to "organize" ourselves beforehand played a great deal in us not quitting after many wipes on the same part.

If you ask Destiny players, I think the thought on this matter is pretty unanimous: there definitively should be a better way to find people to raid with included in the game, like an LFG system / room in the tower, where people could recruit and create groups, but there should NOT be matchmaking added to the raid activities.

You can solo the Crota raid on normal mode.

It's really easy to do actually just takes some practice.

*shrug*

We all know that the real raid in Destiny is VoG, though.
Even though it's not relevant anymore... :/

 

[geordiemp]

No, the problem with Destiny is it is other game unfriendly product

It takes up too much time to level and grind, I stopped at 31 and a few crota raids...

There are too many other games to play.

It would be nice to keep jumping back into destiny, love the gameplay, but I just cant devote the amount of time it needs.

Also I don't like gambling or random shit, just give a reward for doing something. I loved getting the thorn, it was fun and rewarding. Doing something for a spin of the dice is not rewarding and cheap.



I wish every good gun was unlocked this way....a but of PVP, bit of PVE, a challenge.

 

[mocoworm]

First of all I’m going to go into my own main gripe which is probably different from most seasoned players, which is that there is no matchmaking for what is essentially the meat and bones aspect of the game: raids and nightfall strikes.

You are quite welcome to join us. We do both raids and nightfall multiple times per week with around 10 of us sharing the fireteams.

You can also use:

https://www.destinylfg.net/

http://www.reddit.com/r/fireteams

To find a group doing exactly what you want, within about 5 minutes of looking usually.

Add me if you are on XONE. GT: mocoworm

No, the problem with Destiny is it is other game unfriendly product

It takes up too much time to level and grind, I stopped at 31 and a few crota raids...

There are too many other games to play.

It would be nice to keep jumping back into destiny, love the gameplay, but I just cant devote the amount of time it needs.

It's not a grind if you are having fun in teams, playing with the same groups. Add me and get involved with us.

We are mainly UK players from the NorthWest. Couple of southerners and a few international players as well.

 

[BokehKing]

Here's an idea. You don't have to put up with that. Just continue playing the way you're playing now. Seems fair? Leave that option to the people who have no other means of raiding.

But then you would have a negative experience because you want be clearing content, you'll die over and over, and because you didn't get the prize at the end you'll get mad


Before people say "lolshards"
It's the nature of the beast, I know people who WoW raid and they don't get loot for weeks and when they did they would have to roll dice with 3 other people to see if they can win it, it was never guaranteed

 

[Skele7on]

yeah i didn't really mean that levelling was my main concern, more that the raids sound awesome and something i'd like to do if it wasn't so complicated to set up. i can see a path to 31, though it's not super easy to get a ton of shards without raids...

obviously you're not doing nightfalls then.

The new blue items have 21 light on and don't require shards, that'll get you to around the 26-27 range and you can then start doing VOG raids for shards.

You can even post on LFG or GAF or Reddit, a lot of us offer up raids for new people just to help out. I really think you haven't seen the amount of the community that are out there to help others, as we all know that feel.

We all know that the real raid in Destiny is VoG, though.
Even though it's not relevant anymore... :/

Don't you take my achievements away from me you bastard!

 

[benjammin]

You left out the part about Bungie artificially lengthening the game by making the grind my cumbersome with each major update. It's a shame too since the gameplay is so much fun.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Due to my job I wasn't able to keep up with the pace at which my friends where leveling up. When they got to the raid they tried waiting a week for me but I was still a level below where I needed to be so I felt bad and just told them to go ahead. After that I never had a chance to play the raid and eventually got bored. Fuck this game

 

[PelekotansDream]

now imagine vanilla wow and needing to convince 39 friends to buy the game

actually dont, irl friends in raids usually lead to disappointment and suffering

You were able to communicate with those players with text chat. On Destiny there was no text chat or voice chat, although Bungie said voice chat will be patched in and it probably has since I last played.

 

[BokehKing]

There is no legitimate reason to not have matchmaking. The only reason there are people defending it is because it's a decision made by the developer, accompanied by contrived reasoning and mental gymnastics.

Fine, let's implement matchmaking
When everyone cries that the content is too difficult, they will nerf it


No thank you

 

[Shito]

You were able to communicate with those players with text chat. On Destiny there was no text chat or voice chat, although Bungie said voice chat will be patched in and it probably has since I last played.

Public channel for voice chat has been patched in a loooooooooong time ago, yes.

 

[LollipoPReapeR]

It doesn't offend me at all. But how is that any different than what already exists? It doesn't add anything new! Except maybe it being in-game.

I apologise, that may have come across as a bit snarky. However, an ingame board would make all the difference. Most of the players who play the game I would reckon do not know LFG exists. This would remove the need to go off game. Hell they could incorporate it into the phone app, making the UI better than the current LFG websites. It would make things faster and easier, as you would be able to invite people and get notifications straight to the game instead of waiting for replies on the website.

Yeah I totally agree with this sentiment. I've done a lot of matchmaking for strikes and now weekly strikes, and I've never had anyone fuck around, push me, not revive me when they could, or any of the other stuff that some people are talking about. Not once. I can't even recall someone ever leaving a strike prematurely, though I think I'm just lucky on that part.

The thing is strikes and raids are completely different. Just killing everything in sight isnt gonna cut it in raids. Heck even nightfalls will be a struggle if you don't use a little strategy.

Also if you actually do bother to team up for strikes it should go faster making strikes more streamlined and efficient. You are way more likely to chain supers and use loadouts and builds to complement each other with a proper fire team.

 

[mocoworm]

Due to my job I wasn't able to keep up with the pace at which my friends where leveling up. When they got to the raid they tried waiting a week for me but I was still a level below where I needed to be so I felt bad and just told them to go ahead. After that I never had a chance to play the raid and eventually got bored. Fuck this game

That's not the game though is it? By your own admission, it is because of your work schedule.

 

[geordiemp]

You are quite welcome to join us. We do both raids and nightfall multiple times per week with around 10 of us sharing the fireteams.

You can also use:

https://www.destinylfg.net/

http://www.reddit.com/r/fireteams

To find a group doing exactly what you want, within about 5 minutes of looking usually.

Add me if you are on XONE. GT: mocoworm

It's not a grind if you are having fun in teams, playing with the same groups. Add me and get involved with us.

We are mainly UK players from the NorthWest. Couple of southerners and a few international players as well.

Sorry mate I am a Ps4 player....joined a clan with my son, got my perfect raider ages ago, love beasting in crucible...No problem with people to play with, get daily invites...

but so much other stuff to play, Dragon age sucked me in, just finished first light, then GT5 heists and next up is Bloodborne and going to play through Borderlands with son.

Its just the time sink. I just hope Bungie realise that we want to play other games as well, and make more Thorn type quests and less of the dice rolling in future.

 

[family_guy]

I gave it a shot. It wasn't that bad from a gameplay perspective but these types of games aren't for me. As someone who buys at least 12 games a year and has a large back catalog from PS Plus and the occasional Steam sale, it's rare that I'll put that much investment in any online game. To this day I've never even played The Last Of Us multiplayer and I had the PS3 and PS4 versions.

 

[Compsiox]

I was hoping that Bungie would pretend this Destiny didn't happen and basically reboot it. It wouldn't be that hard to do since there's no story. Being straightforward about features would help too!

 

[blazeuk]

Everything in Destiny should have matchmaking except for raids.

If you've played strikes using the matchmaking system in a lot of cases you have people quitting or just idling at the start of them, that's not a huge problem for strikes since they're not that difficult but if you have the same happen in raids it's pretty much back to orbit for anyone who isn't familiar with how it works. I'd love for there to be a solution to it but I'm not convinced it would work trying to matchmake 6 players and have them stick around for the potential hours it'd take new raid players to get through it. You'd likely have so many people just quitting when they run into a bit of trouble that meant repeating the same thing for an hour or more.

Having said that, I wouldn't have a problem if they did add matchmaking just to give people that choice (as long as it was a choice and not forced on us) but I doubt I'd ever use it and I think it would give people a much more negative experience of the raids (but then the argument is that it's better than no raid experience at all).

 

[Skele7on]

I think anyone who thinks that matchmaking in raids is a good idea should go on to LFG get a random group of players for a hard crota run.

See what happens and report your findings, I can personally tell you, it's a hell that I wouldn't let my worst enemy go through, you need to form a team with people.

I personally think outside of GAF the best place is here:

https://www.the100.io/

Tired of Playing Destiny With Randoms?

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4. That's it. No more randoms.

 

[Condom]

It's a horrible mess and Bungie doesn't seem to want to fix all the problems. It's 'factually' a flawed game that lives on the addicting parts.

 

[mocoworm]

There is no legitimate reason to not have matchmaking. The only reason there are people defending it is because it's a decision made by the developer, accompanied by contrived reasoning and mental gymnastics.

There absolutely is a legitimate reason.

If 6 random people are thrown together to do a raid that can take up to 3hrs, then there is no incentive for them to stick around. If just one person drops out it will fuck up the entire raid and could mean a fail for the rest of the team.

It happens on the matchmaking now for weeklys, and they only take 20 minutes. I have been left at the final boss on my own a good few times.

I am totally against matchmaking for raids. You can find a group on the LFG, Reddit and GAF forums within 5 minutes of asking.

 

[Skele7on]

It's a horrible mess and Bungie doesn't seem to want to fix all the problems. It's 'factually' a flawed game that lives on the addicting parts.

Would you like to go into detail how it's a "horrible mess" also a lot of issues at launch have been fixed.

 

[345triangle]

obviously you're not doing nightfalls then.

i sure am not! and that's because of matchmaking.

i've got to mid-29 entirely through soloing and matchmaking, i have all-legendary armor around 27 light. i think i did two weekly heroic strikes with friends (i do have them) before they added matchmaking to those.

i get why raids can't have matchmaking, i don't get why nightfalls can't.

i do hear you re: community, and i should dive in at some point, but it's definitely a hurdle.

 

[HiredN00bs]

People like to shit-talk to the social aspect of the game, but I've completed raids and nightfall strikes with people I met in the Tower and in public spaces. Not saying it's ideal, but it's still something. Improvements will continue to come, this is Bungie.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Did they ever patch/fix all the stuff they said they would? Like the heavy ammo bug or switching gear from orbit or put the godamn codex in the actual game?

Spoiler

or sell the ballerhorn lol

 

[DryvBy]

I thought matchmaking would be great too until I tried Weekly with randoms. It never fails, the team wipes once and someone quits. Or there's someone just standing there, not playing. Or they're not paying attention and dying constantly. I've not had one success with randoms for the Weekly.

They way they handled it is just fine.

 

[Skele7on]

i sure am not! and that's because of matchmaking.

i've got to mid-29 entirely through soloing and matchmaking, i have all-legendary armor around 27 light. i think i did two weekly heroic strikes with friends (i do have them) before they added matchmaking to those.

i get why raids can't have matchmaking, i don't get why nightfalls can't.

i do hear you re: community, and i should dive in at some point, but it's definitely a hurdle.

Well join in over on the community side, we're all very nice and always doing something.

I have honestly had some of the best times raiding/nightfalling with the guys.

 

[mocoworm]

Sorry mate I am a Ps4 player....joined a clan with my son, got my perfect raider ages ago

You got the 'flawless raider' ?

How did you do it? ... What raid? How many ppl?

 

[LollipoPReapeR]

i sure am not! and that's because of matchmaking.

i've got to mid-29 entirely through soloing and matchmaking, i have all-legendary armor around 27 light. i think i did two weekly heroic strikes with friends (i do have them) before they added matchmaking to those.

i get why raids can't have matchmaking, i don't get why nightfalls can't.

i do hear you re: community, and i should dive in at some point, but it's definitely a hurdle.

I actually kind of agree with you. But only if the matchmaking was optional and not forced upon you.

 

[DryvBy]

You got the 'flawless raider' ?

How did you do it? ... What raid? How many ppl?

I got it a couple of months ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl2bbDk07BY

 

[BokehKing]

You could keep all of the communication in-game without opening forums and etc. Those were extras.

Can you say the same for Destiny? Where you couldn't even speak to strangers in the hub zones?

Go without DestinyGAF or DestinyLFG services and see how 'sociable' Destiny is.

But you're on GAF...

 

[Niwa]

Destiny Teamfinder, DestinyGaf or Destiny Reddit are great places to find a raid team, and it only takes 5-10 minutes to find a team.

Playing with lots of different strangers can be frustrating but is mostly very fun!

 

[geordiemp]

i sure am not! and that's because of matchmaking.

i've got to mid-29 entirely through soloing and matchmaking, i have all-legendary armor around 27 light. i think i did two weekly heroic strikes with friends (i do have them) before they added matchmaking to those.

i get why raids can't have matchmaking, i don't get why nightfalls can't.

i do hear you re: community, and i should dive in at some point, but it's definitely a hurdle.

You get a nightfall with instant kick back to orbit on death with say void burn nightfall lvl 30, and get random fools lvl 29 with no good void weapons wanting people to carry them through ?

All that would happen would be people quitting all the time after weapon inspections.

 

[mocoworm]

I got it a couple of months ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl2bbDk07BY

Holy ... crap.

 

[mocoworm]

Destiny Teamfinder, DestinyGaf or Destiny Reddit are great places to find a raid team, and it only takes 5-10 minutes to find a team.

Playing with lots of different strangers can be frustrating but is mostly very fun!

You also learn loads of different strategies and secrets by playing with new people all the time. Most of them I end up adding to my friends list as well.

 

[Skele7on]

 

[DryvBy]

Holy ... crap.

It took about 2 weeks to do. I was at the point where I could finish that raid with my eyes closed. One of the most difficult things I've done. Definitely took some leadership from some of us.

 

[geordiemp]

You got the 'flawless raider' ?

How did you do it? ... What raid? How many ppl?

6 on VOG quite a while ago, when I was playing daily. I was in a clan of 20, me and another guy (2 strongest players) teamed up with a bunch who had been going for it for weeks...they were damn good..

We got it second go, it was memorable. Lots of whelping. Good times.

Think it was when level cap was 30 ...quite a while ago. Ice breaker fest I recall...

Its probably allot easier now with higher lvl caps.

 

[specdot]

It's 7:17 here in New York. I have to move my car for alternate side parking at 8. Don't work today and I'm not sleepy. Guess all this complaining about Destiny is making me want to go play some Destiny. Anyone need a level 32 Hunter just hit me up on PS4. SpecDotSign

 

[Skele7on]

It's 7:17 here in New York. I have to move my car for alternate side parking at 8. Don't work today and I'm not sleepy. Guess all this complaining about Destiny is making me want to go play some Destiny. Anyone need a level 32 Hunter just hit me up on PS4. SpecDotSign

wrong thread bro...

 

[Condom]

Would you like to go into detail how it's a "horrible mess" also a lot of issues at launch have been fixed.

Not really since it's a giant list of bullshit but to name a few points:
-Loot system is broken, it goes against all logic with being so random
-leveling is inconsistent, why the change to light after a couple of levels?
-Still no story, grimoire cards haven't been patched in the game. You still need to go to the website.
-Only 1 public event (pretty sure it's called that?)
-Missing actually good updates to the game, DLC is delayed

I can go on but I have a life, check Bungie comments or Destiny communities for all the stuff Bungie fails to address.

Edit: Also no audio options wtf

 

[CouchMaster]

"I sold Destiny after 1 week because XYZ wasn't in there". Good on you guys for making an appearance again and adding to the conversation.

You're on GAF, we are up to OT 19!! anyone would not only love to do a raid with you but teach you

Yeah I can't believe people on GAF of all places are complaining about not finding people. Go in the OT and post that you need 2 people for nightfall, and you'll get someone before you even boot up the game. Heck people there don't even use matchmaking for stuff that supports matchmaking like PvP or strikes, because they don't want to be clubbed together with randoms.

 

[345triangle]

You get a nightfall with instant kick back to orbit on death with say void burn nightfall lvl 30, and get random fools lvl 29 with no good void weapons wanting people to carry them through ?

All that would happen would be people quitting all the time after weapon inspections.

yeah, maybe you're right. i don't see the harm in making it an option, though.

 

[E92 M3]

People don't know how to use the correct element for weekly burn and you want raid matchmaking? Lol, thank goodness it's not there or else they would have to be dumbed down a lot.

 

[345triangle]

Well join in over on the community side, we're all very nice and always doing something.

I have honestly had some of the best times raiding/nightfalling with the guys.

if you guys are active on evenings japan time, i will!

 

[specdot]

wrong thread bro...

Oh come on. I was just having some fun. Lighten up.

 

[anothertech]

It's funny to me. This is a thread about Destiny being user unfriendly. But arguments in defense keep saying 'go on a message board outside the game and it's easy to find s group!'

But isn't that what user unfriendly means? I feel I should be able to find a group right there in game. Not somewhere else.

Why all the antagonism towards match making in game? Getting a group together from a random message board is just as random. Just much much less efficient and user friendly. Not to mention wasting coveted game time many of us don't have enough of.

Match making in raids and night falls wouldn't ruin anything. Except maybe the false elitism some feel entitled to for unknown reasons.

Even if matchmaking were available for raids, any player could still put his team together of regulars and play that way. I don't see the harm.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

I think Bungie made a transition from being a video game developer to businessmen.

 

[noomi]

Raid match making would be.... well probably very frustrating for many people. It takes a lot of effort, good communication, timing, and often times flawless execution. Doing something like that with strangers often leads to disappointment and arguments amongst players.

Here's a solution someone had proposed once....

In the tower, allow players to flag themselves as LFG or LFM....should be easy enough to implement and I'm sure many would appreciate the addition.

 

[mclem]

Of course, but it's unfair to compare a game that learned from it's mistakes over the course of a decade to a game that is held back by last gen systems that's been out for less than a year.

I don't really see how 'last gen systems' are restricting the social side of this.

But I think that sort of highlights the issue; they've built a game dependent on social interaction but haven't built the infrastructure to form those social interactions. I'd argue that that should be one of the primary goals.

 

[HiredN00bs]

Not really since it's a giant list of bullshit but to name a few points:
-Loot system is broken, it goes against all logic with being so random
-leveling is inconsistent, why the change to light after a couple of levels?
-Still no story, grimoire cards haven't been patched in the game. You still need to go to the website.
-Only 1 public event (pretty sure it's called that?)
-Missing actually good updates to the game, DLC is delayed

I can go on but I have a life, check Bungie comments or Destiny communities for all the stuff Bungie fails to address.

Edit: Also no audio options wtf

That's definitely a giant list of bullshit.

Edit: Coincidentally, in last Thursday's weekly update, Bungie specifically mentioned expanding audio options in upcoming patches.

 

[geordiemp]

yeah, maybe you're right. i don't see the harm in making it an option, though.

I played in a pretty open clan at the time when I played regularly, You would be surprised what people turned up with to VOG.

It was 26 lvl normal, and you would have lvl 26 guys with a fire shotgun and a crap pulse rifle and could not even stay alive holding the first plates....