ShemhazaiX
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Maybe a game doesn't need to perform incredibly to be incredible.
In my time playing Bloodborne those issues, while present, fail to hamper my enjoyment of the game. Even if they never get fixed the gameplay and world are still pretty damn amazing. The current performance is nowhere near game breaking but I do understand wanting consistent 30fps and short load times.
GarciaHotspur
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I'm not surprised as I play this game more and more I care less about performance and loads because I'm too in love with what is currently one of the best games I've played. I imagine a few reviewers agree.
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It is forgivable
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It's honestly incredible the reception this game is getting - I've never seen anything like it. Everyone seems to love it. GT did that musical video to celebrate its release.
Maybe it'll influence third party game design moving forward, like Skyrim seemed to do a lot last gen.
Can't believe there are so many positive reviews. Can this be this generations first true killer AAA title? Congratulations FromSoftware and Sony.
Also, what in the effing fuck is going on in this thread. I just went through the last 6 pages and I count atleast a dozen bans. Holy hell
Also, what in the effing fuck is going on in this thread. I just went through the last 6 pages and I count atleast a dozen bans. Holy hell
Well, most of the reviewers do mention in their cons section horrible loading times, so maybe if it wasn't for this the game would've scored even higher. I have to say that I don't really care that much about the long loading times. I am so tense and focused when I'm playing that a 35 seconds break every 5 to 10 min is fine. Not saying it couldn't get better though.
BibiMaghoo
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People were told they were not to flip out over positive or negative reviews.
Some didn't listen.
PodcastFips
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Does any of the reviews answer the question if it is a good idea to buy Bloodborne when I wasn't impressed by Demon's Souls or Dark Souls?
I'd like to read something in that direction
I'd like to read something in that direction
Tomeru
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Decided to read that Stevivor - 7.5 review.
While I do respect his opinion, half way through the review it read like the review killed him one too many times, and he broke the keyboard. His annoyance with the game really came through well.
But that video of him killing the giant axe guy... Man that was wrong.
While I do respect his opinion, half way through the review it read like the review killed him one too many times, and he broke the keyboard. His annoyance with the game really came through well.
But that video of him killing the giant axe guy... Man that was wrong.
Not everyone. I've seen a couple of threads on GAF where some users just didn't like the game after playing for a couple of hours. Those threads got locked.
Does any of the reviews answer the question if it is a good idea to buy Bloodborne when I wasn't impressed by Demon's Souls or Dark Souls?
I'd like to read something in that direction
If you weren't impressed by those games I doubt it will change with Bloodborne.
Regarding the load times, I feel like most times after a death I need the 30-35 seconds to assess what I did wrong, and think about what I want to do differently. That way when my character respawns and is ready to go, I can just take off without thinking first. One of the positives I guess, but it would definitely hamper farming, and attempting bosses over and over.
Does any of the reviews answer the question if it is a good idea to buy Bloodborne when I wasn't impressed by Demon's Souls or Dark Souls?
I'd like to read something in that direction
The game should really be called Blood Souls. It's subtly different from the actual Souls games in a few key ways, but shares so much in common with them. Structure, level design, combat, online, difficulty, dread... all things straight from the Souls playbook. I can't see how someone would suddenly enjoy Bloodborne if they'd played and disliked previous Souls entries.
Its easy to get caught up in stuff like that on GAF, but do you think the average Xbone or PS4 owner can tell you what framerate they prefer, or what resolution things are running in?
Those who can't get over performance issues, or even those who can't stand the kind of performance most people are fine with (locked 30fps etc) are not being unreasonable, they just have really high standards with regards to performance, but they are in the minority of all gamers overall
Even Unity, which was buggy and ran at an awful frame rate, for a lot of people they found it fine, I have a friend who played it on PS4 at launch and I mentioned the performance issues and he just shrugged and said it looked amazing
Bloodborne doesn't perform perfectly, but compared to Driveclub, MCC or Unity at launch its rock solid
"At launch" is another key thing to remember with reviews. Game reviewers are aware games get patched, they could moan about performance issues for 400 of a 700 word review, and then that review is completely invalidated when the 2nd patch comes out
That review in most cases won't be changed, which then becomes misleading to anyone who might be looking into the game 6 months or more later, I mean, we seen loads of "Is X fixed now?" threads on GAF as it is
Finally, if you send review copies out and someone always spends half the review talking about performance issues they are working on fixing with patches, and that therefore is damaging the hallowed meta score, then maybe they will find themselves not getting review copies in the future
Give War A Chance
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I don't care about framerate, in general... 60fps vs 30fps... cinematic vs whatever... but I can definitely tell you that the framerate, whatever it is, in this game is slightly jarring. I don't need it to be 60fps... I just need it to be locked down to whatever number they've chosen to go with. I can definitely tell that it is choppy, and I think any gamer, GAFer or not, can tell that as well. They just might not be able to describe it in the technical terms.
That being said, that's really my only complaint so far with this game.
That being said, that's really my only complaint so far with this game.
PodcastFips
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Thanks!
Well what kept me from playing the other two more than an hour was the way you are thrown in without any explanation on how the game actually works. I was pretty overwhelmed.
I'd still like to try and find out the magic about these games, though.
Z-pad.net: 4.6/5
Reckheim
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I have to agree with this 100%, it's obviously not intentionally long but it gives you time to calm down and plan out the next run. my heart is usually beating hard if I just got killed by a boss ... Especially if it's a close fight
eot
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That has nothing to do with their opinion, it has to do with the fact that most of the discussion is supposed to take place in the OT. Everyone who has an opinion can't make their own thread.
Heh, this is what Dean Rymer threatened on twitter- not sure how well received it was. Threatened to pull ads and review copies from certain websites that he thought were unfair to The Order.
Edit sorry for double post, tried to delete but looks like you cant.
I am as big of a Souls fan as you can find and I agree, the fps does dip below 30 at times, especially with co-op. However, I think it's because of my sub-par internet speeds.
I'm sure Digital Foundry will do a performance review and somehow conclude that it runs better on Xbox One
If you were deterred in DS youll have the same issue in BB. Maybe even moreso as the first part of the game is kinda brutal IMO.
greatestjediever
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Does any of the reviews answer the question if it is a good idea to buy Bloodborne when I wasn't impressed by Demon's Souls or Dark Souls?
I'd like to read something in that direction
If you played Demon's Souls and Dark Souls and said: "you know, this game is great, it could just be a little faster", then yeah, I would buy it.
If not, then probably not a good idea to buy it and just wait to borrow it from someone, rent it or shareplay it or something.
Edit: just saw your second post, if it's the ambiguity, I wouldn't do it. You will get very little direction in this game, and I find it easier to get confused in this game then the previous Souls game. If you can deal with it, then feel free and try, but I would recommend trying to borrow it from someone first.
Well the Order ran well didn't it? That is a dick move, for sure, but if you're a publisher and you get a lot of negative day 1 reviews focusing on performance issues that will be getting patched then you might not want to send those who do that review copies any more
Reviewers don't tend to focus on performance that much because they know some of the problems they find will get patched, so they'd rather focus on the game
It's not an ideal situation, but if we made performance a key factor in day 1 reviews, almost every new game will be overshadowed by what needs to be patched
Plus, a lot of gamers, probably the majority, don't care about performance, 25fps, 30fps, 60fps, stuttering, screen tearing, whatever, they don't care or know what a lot of that stuff is
If someone who just plays CoD or FIFA/Madden checks out a review of one of those games and the first few paragraphs are all on performance, they probably won't read much past the first paragraph
I agree. This game is fantastic, and the performance issues aren't game-breaking at all -- nothing like Blighttown -- but how is it that this can't even maintain a steady 30 fps? If this had been a late-gen PS3 title I'd be more willing to overlook the framerate drops, the frame pacing issues, the loading times, etc., but it's a little disappointing to see these creep into a current-gen game, especially considering that it's not going for super-high-end graphics or anything.
Again, I'm absolutely loving Bloodborne, but I couldn't argue with a reviewer who decided to knock a point or two off for it being rough around the edges.
In modern AAA gaming, poor performance is the price you pay for being an early adopter (well, that and paying full price)
Anyone who grabs this in 6 months to a years time, will get it a lot cheaper, and all patched up, sadly that is the industry we have in 2015
PodcastFips
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That was helpful, thanks!
Borrowing the game is probably the best solution for me, though I fear it won't be the same without the initial hype. I dunno
Tomeru
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It probably didn't hamper their enjoyment. As one who has a couple of 970GTX in my 3930k machine, it certainly not bothering me. First play, than you can tell if it really botheres you, or it was just fear.
That's not an excuse, the reviews should mention that. They are very selective in these kind of criticism. The loading problem highly affects the game because you die a lot, so you have to see that fucking screen all the time.
It's funny how some developers can't optimize loading.
I was playing Injustice's "challenge mode" and the worst part is the time that takes to reload. It's not too much time, but c'mon, what they need to load again? The same stage, music, characters... there is NOTHING different each time you try!
It's frustrating.
True, but game reviews as a format have not moved with the times, a game review is structurally the same as a book or film review, it is a "review" of a product, as it is
Games however, change as time goes on. Someone playing a game day 1 may well end up with a vastly different experience to someone playing 6 months later
That said, there is no market for a
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qa_engineer
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I'm tempted to make a thread about this channel.
Utterly brilliant
Some of his other reviews are pretty good too, but the best one is the Bloodborne review. You should check out his Order 1886 review.
Great post. I can't speak for everyone but most of my friends don't care about technical issues like framerate hiccups. The loading screens are pretty bad, so I tend to text from my phone lol. That's something that HAS to be fixed because you die so much. it can remove you from the emersion.
The Order reviews in question were more about being critical of the poor design decisions, unskippable cuts cents, bad story, and buggy AI rather than anything to do with performance. Basically if the review didn't give the game a good score the guy wanted to pull review copies for that reviewer.
To be clear, he has absolutely no authority to have review copies pulled. He was just being a big grump about reviews when he probably should have kept his mouth shut.
Nicktendo86
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Ok, so I had Demon's Souls (even imported from the US as it took a while to come out here in the UK) and only played for like half an hour, gave up. Had no interest in Dark Souls or DS2 but the reception to this is very hard to ignore. Might have to give it a go...
Yeah, that is why I didn't think it was applicable to the point I was making when the Order was brought up, as I was talking solely about performance as an issue in reviews
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Reckheim
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What are the reasons you quit playing? I'm finding bloodborne a bit harder than those games, just a heads up.
At its heart its still a Souls game. So it depends on if you are actually interested in trying it out again.
theignoramus
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At 41 reviews its still a 93. Looks like it did in fact sustain that.
Lifejumper
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Lol people still quoting banafactory from the first pages.
Tomeru
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The game is far from performing poorly (tech wise). Far far far and away from it. Loading is not that long, because you always think about what just happened and how to retry. Imho.
StoppedInTracks
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Did not think about it in this way, heh. Yeah, better to lose the Souls series altogether than turn into into another Skyrim/ Dragon Age series.
Lifejumper
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Will the game be a franchise for Sony or a one off like demons souls? I hope the former.
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