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If you'd be willing to explain why it'd be in ANY sort of legal gray area, I'd love to hear. Sincerely, not being sarcastic.
PS4 performance on a ~£300 PC. Can it be done? (spoiler: yes)
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If you'd be willing to explain why it'd be in ANY sort of legal gray area, I'd love to hear. Sincerely, not being sarcastic.
But it's a minority. Not sure what's the problem to admit PC passionate are interested to a good specs machine.
Point being Why build a PC the equivalent Of PS4 when you get less. That would make absolutely no sense to me. I would understand building a more powerful PC but a equivalent Not so much.
Denton
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Wow, I didn't know you were the ultimate arbiter of what articles should get written and published and posted about.
Time to pack it up folks, nothing to see here!
True that in UK the price sucks. In US Alpha is pretty fantastic purchase now.
You couldn't be more wrong, go and check average specs recorded by Valve on steam. The majority are on budget machines already.
And it's not PC passionates who buy expensive parts, it's GAMING enthusiasts! You know we all share the same hobby!
Atraveller
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It's not a question of why, but of whether you can, and you can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxUPJdcChzE
Based on DF's conclusion, G3258 is a bad idea. Get i3 minimum.
Based on DF's conclusion, G3258 is a bad idea. Get i3 minimum.
DreamSpark Standard product keys may not be sold, distributed, traded or given to anyone outside the qualified department or organization.
Well of course. PC machines in the world are a huge number and people doesn't stop to play on it just because are 'dated'. But how many people buy very low budget PC? The majority? Really?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Hm. And every single one of these keys is DreamSpark? That's disheartening.
Here's the Steam stat page for hardware so you can look for yourself.
Because when MS sell those licenses they prevent you from doing so via their draconian license agreement. An OEM license for example cannot legally be used for a personal use build even though most people do it anyway. Those CoA licenses cannot legally be transferred.
That or get a H series board with unlocked overclocking controls and take the G3258 to 4.5Ghz. i3 is more convenient for newcomers though.
Tomeru
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Not my goal, sorry if that is what you got. I'm just sharing my opinion, if thats ok.
The program Microsoft runs is for university students to be able to get free software whilst studying their course.
The idea being that by using Microsoft software at Uni, the graduates will be more likely to use Microsoft products in the workplace.
When you gain a product key, the licence you accept states that they key is for you and that you cannot resell it.
So whilst the key that you buy is legit in that it activates, it is legally not licenced to you.
most likely this or bizspark (dreamspark for business startups) or the windows 8 upgrade exploit
derExperte
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booting windows, even with a SSD, is still slower than booting a ps4. just because its windows and windows is slow.
latin is pro
yes in total, but what i oringally meant to say is there are fewer exclusives releasing than there are xbox exclusives (per year or per gen w/e). unless we count shovelware and indies but those never seem to count when looking at the ps4 and its library.....
yes ,unless you are a casual dota, lol or wow player
I still can't tell. So hats off to you, sir.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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The more you know. I'll refrain from recommending those keys in the future. Thanks guys
The Red Wizard
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Sarcasm? If not, an $800 PC will be much faster than a PS4 thanks to the former's SSD. PC games also have the option of being modded to get rid of logo screens so you don't have to sit through them every time that you want to play a game. Believe me, it was a bad shock when I realised how much time I had to waste waiting for Bloodborne to start compared to Dark Souls on my PC which threw me into the game in seconds.
Denton
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Could have fooled me.
Anyway, it produced lively discussion, so apparently people think articles like these do have a place.
lively sure is one way to put it
Check out the video.
The OCed G3258 underperforms the i3 while some recent games flat-out refuse to run due to expecting 4 threads.
That article is saying that build is equal to ps4 when it doesn't have a OS listed. I'll give you a Bluray isn't needed for gaming. If we stick to what equal means, that build is not equal.
Panajev2001a
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Considering we have had articles trying to prove PC's can be as cost effective powerful gaming experiences since the day the current generation of consoles came out (so almost two years now), the general console shitting whenever people are talking about PS4 vs PS3 and PC had not even been mentioned in that thread before that, etc... seems a bit like the pot calling the kettle black
.Atraveller
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Use the Win10 preview suggested in the article then.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Didn't FC4 refuse to run without 4 threads, then a fan fix forced it to run on dual core just fine?
That is a valid point on the 4 thread situation, I have been recommending the i3 as the minimum since Far cry 4.
I didn't realise their chip was overclocked.
Indeed.
Dictator93
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This thread has already been dragged into the age-old arguments of, "but what about the OS," "but what about PS4 exclusives," or "oh yeah, well in 2 years the PS4 will be running circles around this thing."
It is kind of tiresome to see this happen, again.
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@OP - The article was actually quite aweesome along with the attached video showing the framerate difference between the i3 and the Pentium. I would personally bite a bullet and grab and older socket CPU. Sure you spend a bit more, but your games will then youjr performance profile will be muc higher and offer you the chance to engage in some PC-only CPU-intensive games.
It is kind of tiresome to see this happen, again.
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@OP - The article was actually quite aweesome along with the attached video showing the framerate difference between the i3 and the Pentium. I would personally bite a bullet and grab and older socket CPU. Sure you spend a bit more, but your games will then youjr performance profile will be muc higher and offer you the chance to engage in some PC-only CPU-intensive games.
SCE and MS were definitely economical with the internal components of PS4 and XB1 respectively. Especially the CPU's.
It would have been more interesting to me if the PS4 was more like PS3-level of cutting-edge hardware for its time. The PS3 was way better value for what it offered with its top-of-the-line hardware, even if it was more expensive.
But yeah, I'm not totally blaming them either. Consoles need to have that mass-market appeal with relatively cheap price to be viable.
It would have been more interesting to me if the PS4 was more like PS3-level of cutting-edge hardware for its time. The PS3 was way better value for what it offered with its top-of-the-line hardware, even if it was more expensive.
But yeah, I'm not totally blaming them either. Consoles need to have that mass-market appeal with relatively cheap price to be viable.
Darkroronoa
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Nobody knows for sure, but with dx 12 coming? Sure why not.
My pc is a 750ti and a crap dual core that i have yet to upgrade (i will soon hopefully, i dont rush it cause still runs the games i play anyway), i hope it will last, even if it runs games with worse graphics than a ps4 in 2 years i dont care as long as it runs them.
When the time comes i will sell my old gpu (maybe also the cpu and mobo) and buy a new.
In 4 years, with 100-150€ (which will be profit from price difference on games) i will probably get something a lot stronger than a ps4.
Thats the plan i have and the reasons i went pc, the upgradability. A similar specced pc with a ps4 is fine by me, but sure it might fail in the future.
This is completely and utterly untrue. There are plenty of people that enjoy PC gaming and stay at the mid - low end. Quite a few friends do this and enjoy PC gaming the way they want to, at prices they are happy with, playing all manner of games - both "console AAA" and PC centric games alike. This is one of the great things about the platform
Leadbetter mentioned the problem himself.
This PC will only cut it right now, in time devs will start pushing consoles more and/or PC ports will become less optimized for this sort of low-end hardware. I had a Core2Duo with an ATI 4670 during the PS360 generation, for the first few years I owned it it was running almost every port at 60fps on console-like settings, but by the end of the generation it was struggling to match console performance.
This PC will only cut it right now, in time devs will start pushing consoles more and/or PC ports will become less optimized for this sort of low-end hardware. I had a Core2Duo with an ATI 4670 during the PS360 generation, for the first few years I owned it it was running almost every port at 60fps on console-like settings, but by the end of the generation it was struggling to match console performance.
Denton
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They even write this in the article. They tested it with the hack.
Definitely i3 should be used these days at least. I am glad my good 4 years old 2500K still handles everything like a champ though.
dude what the fuck?
i own a ps4, aswell as an x1 and a capable laptop for gaming.
dont start this fanboy bullshit
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I'd say another great thing about PC is that you have this entire, humongous backlog to fall back on when waiting for exclusives or other big AAA titles. Can't wait for Witcher 3? Play Deus Ex, Age of Empires, Morrowind, King's Quest, Day of the Tentacle, Crimzon Clover, Penumbra, etc. That's a benefit you don't get with a console until it's last years.
I never said doesn't exist people who buy low end PC.
I've been playing GTA SA to kill the wait for GTA V lol
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I missed that paragraph because I jumped over it to the Crysis video
I've been playing Commander Keen.
No, doesn't work like that. Most people buy single license versions of windows and windows 10 technical preview... REALLY? That wont be supported after a short while.
Also another key fact is if you're running windows that you paid for you probably most likely either only need to upgrade a couple parts in the system or have one that dances on the PS4
Dictator93
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This gen is completely different though and should not be compared to the last. The last gen had engine designers learning how to use pixel shaders for christ sake, or trying to get their engiens to use more than one thread.Leadbetter mentioned the problem himself.
This PC will only cut it right now, in time devs will start pushing consoles more and/or PC ports will become less optimized for this sort of low-end hardware. I had a Core2Duo with an ATI 4670 during the PS360 generation, for the first few years I owned it it was running almost every port at 60fps on console-like settings, but by the end of the generation it was struggling to match console performance.
Now these are basic priinciples and the consoles this time have less long term scaling due to their simplicity and relatively cheap comoponents. It isn't anywhere near like last gen.
I think gpgpu and ACE was a thing. I don't said will see miracle but space for optimization still exist.
Leadbetter mentioned the problem himself.
This PC will only cut it right now, in time devs will start pushing consoles more and/or PC ports will become less optimized for this sort of low-end hardware. I had a Core2Duo with an ATI 4670 during the PS360 generation, for the first few years I owned it it was running almost every port at 60fps on console-like settings, but by the end of the generation it was struggling to match console performance.
By the end of the generation, the PC ports had minimum settings that far surpassed the console variants - you couldn't match console performance if you tried
But for sure I agree such a system will become dated quickly - but that doesn't mean the end for the machine - it entirely depends on the user and what they play. There are hundreds of games that still support low end systems, and some people are happy play those far more frequently. For such a person, the need to move to better hardware is less of a necessity. As always PCs do more than just "console ports"
Tomeru
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You in mod mode?
It goes both ways you know. If I'm not good at wording like someone else, it doesnt mean its not an opinion.
Dictator93
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But PC GPUs also (for the most part considering the stuff being recommended is maxwell or GCN) have access to good compute and even async compute. The points are becoming moot because the consoles are basically using off the shelf technologies... just in very unique APU config.
Dragon Age was the same iirc.
I'm not sure to understand what's the point. Yes PC will overtake console even more but graphic will improve efficiently thanks to the ACE and the optmization.
I am legit curious about GTAIV
(Sure I could do the test myself but money problems come first)
I will say that PS2 on my PC>>>>>>>> PS2 on PS4 (Planetside 2)
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How much was your build? I'm considering building my friend who's fallen on hard times a PC with a 750ti since he's always wanted one.
Dictator93
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People are arguing that recommending the parts that Leadbetter is talking about is silly, because "console optimizations" will lead to the PC components scaling worse over time. A precedent which is from a previous hardware gen. I guess we will see higher utilization of ACE's over time on console... but this will not lead to a game not running well on a 750Ti or an R270x: they also have async compute.
I think people should hope that Sony and MS free up more RAM and processor time.
WAYYYYY Too much
I spent more than needed since I was building for quality and efficiency and small form.
$60 HDD
$70 Case (Bitfenix Phenom)
$90 Asrock Motherboard
$35 Corsair 420w PSU
$60 RAM
$45 CPU Cooler (I live in AZ in the hottest room in the house)
Someone gave me a free key of Windows 7 Pro (Legit key)
$750 ti FTW was like $150
(Actually isn't that bad. Save on the case and CPU cooler and it's almost the price of a PS4)
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